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@Vader
You were claiming caroler results when there was no caroler. You have a history of doing crazy gambits. Zaradi's decision made sense. To the best of our knowledge, you lied. That turned out to be false, but none of us had thought of a spy. I wasn't even aware there was such a role.
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@WaterPhoenix
Do you think there should be a leaderboard for who has the most medals?
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@rbelivb
However, they are guided by a view of an implicitly ethnic sense of social cohesion and heritage
This conservative isn't.
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@Greyparrot
Everyone knew you were confirmed. It was your logic we had problems with, not your affiliation.I could barely convince them I was town after water died.
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@WaterPhoenix
I was surprised when they killed you. Had I been them, I would have left the masons alive so everyone would suspect you as mafia.
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@drafterman
Speed and Ragnar were pretty good in figuring out who was who
I still wouldn't risk it, but I'm a conservative player.
this is a setup where readily claiming can hurt.
Definitely. That's why I didn't until the end. I'm honestly surprised no one was scumreading me. An unclaimed, highly active player who was driving the town, despite admitting to being inexperienced and bad at scumhunting? I would have been suspicious of me.
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@drafterman
I definitely wouldn't unless I knew who was the turncoat.
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@drafterman
Yeah, the game was fairly balanced. I don't think oromagi's claim was smart on his part. Had he said nothing, he would have had an easy win.
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@ILikePie5
Yep. What was your plan with asking everyone to list their top 2 suspects?
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@Speedrace
In DP2, there was an argument about whether Masons imbalanced the game.
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@Singularity
Sometimes I hate being the only black female who plays mafia. It is like I am the o ly one with common sense
Hangs head in shame
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@drafterman
That drove me nuts, too. It made zero sense that scum would fake claim a character when there was no thematic split.
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@Singularity
You know you need to negotiate lynches even if you can't target your number one suspect
In my head, I know that. I don't have the experience to do it in practice.
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@Speedrace
Because GP was dying instead. Why did you kill him instead of Zaradi, though?Oh and the other thing was that I didn't want anyone to wonder why I wasn't dying
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@Singularity
As I told Zaradi in the game, I have never successfully scumhunted. I really don't know what I'm doing as town.Reading g grey's message I had the same thoughts as drafter. He shouldn't have had to explain it further though. You see where your scum piles overlap and act in accordance
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@Speedrace
SupaDudz literally handed you a justification on a platter around page 7 of DP3.
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@Speedrace
That makes sense. You still should have claimed caroler, though. You would have been unstoppable had you done that.But we figured Supa would ignore both of those, and very glad that he did
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@Speedrace
You did mess up slightly be sending them to Supa. He's known for gambits. You should have sent them to someone who never does gambits. It would have been harder to write them off if you'd done that. You messed up majorly by not claiming caroler. You would have had the wool pulled over our eyes completely had you done that.
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@drafterman
Now I know. I didn't then.This was the thing Grey was trying to get across: evidence and arguments are not needed if you already agree on who is scum.
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@Barney
@Speedrace
The fake caroler results were a stroke of genius. You and Ragnar are two of the best three players as mafia on DART. You earned this win.
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I learned a lot about how to play as town, though. This was my first time as town in a large game.
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Ugh. I was 90% sure Speed was mafia and 75% sure on Ragnar. I had them. I had evidence. If Singularity hadn't voted...
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@Speedrace
No. My point was that you shouldn't have told the mafia.
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@Speedrace
You probably should have kept that to yourself.
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Here's an interesting post from Ragnar saying that he opposed the oromagi lynch.
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@Speedrace
You actually started townreading me in DP2.
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@Speedrace
You didn't out him. You said your character was a turncoat. You knew your character would be a turncoat before the game started. Oromagi outed himself.
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@Speedrace
I reread the DPs an hour ago. I knew where to look.
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@Speedrace
But you are right about what he said in DP1.
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@Speedrace
In DP3, Supa said he could see Luke as the caroler.
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@Speedrace
Clicked on that link you posted and was reading, and stumbled across this post from Ragnar. This is the manufactured thing I was talking aboutHalf of this thing is unnecessary and visibly looks like trying to hard to not make anyone mad
Agreed. However, we've never seen him as town, so there's nothing to contrast it with.
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@Speedrace
I'm LordLuke, vanilla
I just now thought about this. How is LordLuke, the quintuple agent, a vanilla?
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@Speedrace
although I've only seen you as it once
Twice. I was mafia in the game you won as a monk.
Don't recall town reading you before last DP, although I could be wrong
I could be wrong too.
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@Speedrace
In DP1, you suggested a mass claim. As soon as someone disagreed with your suggestion, you backed down and said it was to encourage activity. Why would mass claiming be worth activity?
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@Speedrace
Sorry, I took so long typing I didn't see your answer.
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@ILikePie5
@Speedrace
I second Pie's question. Why do you town read me? You've town read me the whole game. However, Zaradi, who I know is town, has read me as null (last I knew, anyway). Why? This feels like how you buddied Lunatic in the Office.
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@ILikePie5
Ok. If you've thought of something that I haven't, then good. However, there's a 2/3 chance you're scum, so I'd better be convinced.
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@ILikePie5
I would put Ragnar as my number two, so Speed and Rag are my top two scum. What's your plan?
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@ILikePie5
My gut tells me Speed is scum because he's been buddying me this whole game.
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@ILikePie5
I don't know. All three of you are good at playing as mafia. I could honestly see any combination of you three as scum.
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@Barney
@ILikePie5
@Speedrace
Zaradi is town. I know I'm town. Out of Pie, Speed, and Ragnar, there are two scum. Please explain to me why you are town and the other two are scum (or me, since I'm not confirmed).
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@Speedrace
It's LYLO. At this point, we need to claim. I'm whiteflame, vanilla town.
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@Speedrace
It was dumb and pointless. I don't understand why he would do that. If he was telling the truth, I don't understand why the caroler hasn't claimed.
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@Speedrace
If no one claims caroler, then he probably lied.
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@Speedrace
One or the other. Whichever one it is has put us in LYLO with two scum left.
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