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My role (or lack thereof) also is linked to my character, though weakly.
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@drafterman
My other issue is that he almost seems like he is feigning ignorance and innocence about Mafia, then turns around and shows particular experienced insight.
What experienced insight did I give? I don't remember giving insight into anything other than why I foolishly claimed so early. Maybe I did yesterday, but I don't remember this.
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@oromagi
But he's been active a lot in the past 90 minutes and you haven't, so he's active and you're not...or something like that.
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@ILikePie5
Can you condense your main scumreads into one post, or are you still catching up with the thread?
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@ILikePie5
Not getting a justification.
Is that in response to post 375 where I asked what was interesting?
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@ILikePie5
You really expect me to believe that?
See post 389.
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@ILikePie5
And you realized that in 2 posts and didn’t justify it at all?
Well, this is SupaDudz you're talking about.
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@ILikePie5
My PM has absolutely no justification linking character and role. Pushing for justification is mildly scummy in this setup.This is an interesting development.
In what way? Is it interesting that GP claims he got a justification, that drafter claims he didn't get one, or that drafter thinks asking for justification is scummy?
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@ILikePie5
This is post 190 and goes directly against what he said in post 188
Whose post is it?
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@drafterman
themselves
Himself. That's why it's "Sir" Anonymous.
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@Vader
Nah I’m 1-1 hoe, you only won as scum bc GP saved ur ***
Doesn't count. He won because his team won. The quarterback doesn't lose when his team wins just because he played badly.
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@Lunatic
I'm mostly caught up on how well you picked up on things and seemed familiar with certain mafia concepts in the last game we played together in, jsut to make a noob mistake here.
If you will notice, the things I have learned are things that can be learned by reading the rules and the descriptions of the roles, while the things that I haven't learned are things that can't be learned by reading the rules and the descriptions of the roles. I did know about roles in the Lucid Dreamers Mafia because I've played live mafia with cops and doctors and I had read a description of the most common online roles before playing the game. I didn't know not to claim vanilla because this is the first game I have ever played where claiming roles has been an issue (there was no claiming roles in the live mafia I played). There was one post warning against claiming vanilla early, but I figured there were exceptions, like being under pressure. However, since I have never played a game where pressure was an issue (there is pressure in live mafia, but you really can't defend yourself from it, so it doesn't count), I didn't know that only one vote from an assertive player wasn't enough pressure. That's why I made the mistake of claiming vanilla. I can learn how to use logic and understand concepts by reading, but I can't learn how to behave or read others' behavior by reading.
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@Wylted
Assuming I don't have premises is odd
It's not odd in the slightest because you haven't provided any. If you have evidence that Arose is scum, tell us what it is.
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@Lunatic
What can you tell us about your character and role?Why?
Because he wants to know, of course! That way, you too can have a wagon against you because you made the mistake of revealing your role when the only pressure was from oromagi.
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@Lunatic
If your town then you would probably want to make a convincing argument for your innocence
So far as I know, there is no way to do that in DP1. There's just no information beyond what people say about themselves, and I've already said all I can say.
tell us who you think we should be lynching instead and why.
That's the problem. There has been some bizarre behavior by various people, but none of it seems scummy. The only thing that I see that seems scummy is Wylted un-voting and re-voting like a revolving door in a windstorm, but that type of behavior seems to be normal for him. I can't tell you who else to lynch because I don't have any convincing evidence against anyone else. That is in large part due to what you said yourself:
Any real number of reads this early would seem contrived to me.
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@Wylted
Why is it not pro town? DO you have inside knowledge that AROSE is town?
It isn't pro-town because there was no reason for it. Vtl'ing people without reason isn't pro-town.
Something seems off about you, and it isn't your newnessunvote VTL SiranonymousHopefully this is more pro town in your eyes
Actually, yes. As you can see if you read the Lucid Dreamers mafia, I am quite willing to admit it when I am a prime suspect. Claiming vanilla with only pressure from oromagi was stupid and only helped the mafia. My behavior since then has varied between overly conservative to bizarre. Quite frankly, I don't know how to defend myself without any info.
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@Lunatic
TOWNnone
That's pretty suspicious of you, but I really can't blame you. I'm not really getting town reads on anyone but you, and I learned from the last mafia game how little that means.
his activity seems to have dropped a bit once people startedbecoming suspicious of his claim, I feel like he’s trying to lay low and avoidthe spotlight.
I do have a life outside the mafia game. In any case, what am I supposed to do? There's no info available in DP1 to prove my innocence. I could continually repeat the fact that I'm town, but what would be the point?
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@Lunatic
Just look at the mafia games where Supa did crazy gambits even though he was town. He ended up hurting the town in the end by lying and distracting everyone from the real mafia.
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@Wylted
Just on page 2 VTL AROSE
Why are you vtl'ing Arose? This seems very random and not very pro-town.
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@PressF4Respect
I'm not sure whether you're being really smart or really stupid. It's either playing checkers with cheerios or playing 3-D chess.
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@PressF4Respect
And you just came out and claimed that you have a power role, making yourself a target for the mafia, without any pressure because...?
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@Vader
Ten out of thirteen in only 6 hours is pretty good.
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Critics. What's happened to this generation? It's all TV shows, video games, and instant gratification. No time for anything of real substance like history.And get off my lawn.
I made a post pretending to be curmudgeon, then clicked on his profile and found out that he's 44. I think I should have done that the other way around.
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@A-R-O-S-E
"vastly superior activity"That's where you're wrong kiddo
Critics. What's happened to this generation? It's all TV shows, video games, and instant gratification. No time for anything of real substance like history.
And get off my lawn.
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@A-R-O-S-E
"I blurted vanilla because you pressured me, and I didn't have the experience to know better. However, I don't feel any guilt for not watching the office. Reading history books is a vastly superior activity."Uhhh, yeah right
I wasn't kidding. I really do read history books for fun.
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@oromagi
OK I am going birthday partying. If u r lucky perhaps I'll drunkpost later.
So if you change your vtl for no reason, should we not count your vote? ;)
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@Vader
What is your justification
I'm a salesmen in the Nashua branch. After failing to woo Holly, I haven't been developed and am consequently forgotten by most.
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A-R-O-S-E- ByEkLsT (post 3,DP1)
I'm really curious to know what "ByEkLsT" is.
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@drafterman
You still haven't told us your character. IMO you're coming off as trying to play both sides of the field. On the one hand, omg you're this noob who doesn't know what he is doing or what's going on, on the other hand, you've played Mafia before and allegedly know the mechanics and how things work.
I know how the game works, logically speaking. I can deduce who the mafia is. That does not translate to knowing how to character and role claim, which is something I have never had to do before. In live mafia, you never claim your role and there are no characters. The only roles are cop and doctor. I have experience with logical deduction, which translates easily into mafia. I have no experience with character and role claims. No matter how quickly I learn how the game works, it is no substitute for experience.
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@Vader
We would normally have a begginer series for all new players who are interested, butA) Budda is AWOLB) Not enough noobs here since most people who play maf came from DDO
But it's so much more fun this way!
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@Lunatic
This. Vanilla is a crazy powerful role, it annoys me how quickly people claim. Mafia killing a vanilla is a big win.
Well, now I know.
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@drafterman
What ever happened to first level pressure results in character claim and you had to pressure more for role claim?
The mod decided to let in a new player who didn't know what he was doing. Not very intelligent to let in such a noob, in my opinion, but what can you do?
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@oromagi
Check the OP. It was edited to say that it is 10 town vs. 3 mafia.
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@oromagi
exculpatory
Congratulations. It's pretty rare when I have to look up a word, but you have just succeeded.
could be noob reaction but that's not exculpatory. VANILLA is a likely enough claim for a panicking scum noob
I don't really know how to respond to that. I'm town, but there is no information available in DP1 for me to use to defend myself. However, history will vindicate me.
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@oromagi
I blurted vanilla because you pressured me, and I didn't have the experience to know better. However, I don't feel any guilt for not watching the office. Reading history books is a vastly superior activity.
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@oromagi
Quite to the contrary, I haven't had any TV reception for most of the last eight years.
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@oromagi
Michael and Dwight seem likeliest scum characters. Watch to see if those two claim late.
Since I don't watch the show, that's definitely good to know.
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@drafterman
And how did they handle the first day phase?
I can't remember if they skipped it or lynched someone based off of nothing. Of course, they lynched people based off nothing regardless.
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The closest thing to a scumread I have is that Greyparrot accusing Supa of being coached by his mafia buddies. That seemed too contrived. However, GP did make a claim. Since I don't know much about the show, I have no idea if it's valid.
AROSE and Lunatic seem town to me. That almost makes me suspect Lunatic based on his performance in the Lucid Dreamer's mafia.
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@oromagi
Rule #1 Never claim unless you have a substantial wagon on you.And why Oro? Do you think of him as a God or something ?
That makes sense. This is the first time I've ever played mafia with defined characters and roles, so I don't really know what I'm doing.
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@Lunatic
@Vader
@ILikePie5
@oromagi
I claimed vanilla because oromagi was vtl'ing me.
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@oromagi
There are many here among usWho feel that life is but a jokebut you and I, we've been through thatAnd this is not our fateAnd he saith unto them, Follow me,and I will make you fishers of men.
How and why do you come up with these?
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