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@Best.Korea
I am #824 on the leaderboard. I have much to learn from Best.Korea. It's an art form I have experience with but one I am surely no master of
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I hope this all makes more sense the more I play. Fingers, toes, eyes, and farmer suspenders crossed in hope
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@Mharman
It's obvious. The people who got tagged with this video are the Mafia since the song is about trolling, and as the Mafia you troll the town
The people who got tagged with this video are the townies because it says "You are an idiot!!!" in the clip since they're clueless to who are the Mafia
Only Banana got tagged for this one. Which means... *shrug*
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@Mharman
I identify as a Russian troll
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@WyIted
I got another role PM, not sure what it means eitherWhy did you share that? It wasn't a role PM, now everyone knows I am a massive faggot
What is Mafia anymore with messages like these? 😂
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@iamanabanana
I'd consider joining but if pie is a jerk again I will probably just quit. So if he can behave himself maybe I will join
I can't comment on how Pie treated you in your Mafia games because I didn't witness it, but I saw how he behaved in my Mafia game with him. If people are heavily interrogated or viewed as scum even early on, it can't be taken personally.
By nature of the game, everyone (at least a decent player) must develop a persona of being deceptive and looking out for themselves first. One has to adapt their character to the rules of the game in order to win. People will lie and be cunning, and that's just how you play.
I hope you stay. Mafia games are fun
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@Owen_T
Finally something I won't suck at
What do you usually suck at doing?
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@CatholicApologetics
I bet everyone has a different answer if they were to be asked. Some would say they simply aren't religious because of their current beliefs and leave it at that. They would argue that their worldview is not a religion due to its definition.
Personally, I think otherwise because everybody holds something as the most valuable in their life, whether it is an ideal, person, activity, or object; how is this any different than viewing that item as sacred? More to the point, what does it mean for something to be sacred to you besides that which you hold in the highest place? Everyone has something or somebody that sits on that pedestal. We all venerate something in our lives. We all seek comfort in some over-arching ideal that holds our view of reality together, and we seek refuge and peace in it. We cleave to our core belief with all our might. This practice seems to me like how someone would treat a god, even if the existence of god(s) is denied, so I think we all conjure a god of sorts. With my worldview, I believe there are idols/fake gods that are sought after from corruption of the mind and body and spiritual deprivation, and that there is only one true God.
Existential questions lead us to what we fashion as our belief system:
Who am I? What is the description and definition of me?
What is my purpose? What am I meant to do in my life?
What is right for me to do? So then, what is wrong for me to do? Is something that is right for me to do the same as what is right for others? Should my actions be viewed as universal laws, in which case, I should only do what I think would be right for everyone else to be doing it as well?
Many other important questions become present when we question life. And death.
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@Cerulean
Funny, my father went to Mizzou. I even have a couple of shirts from there.
That's cool your father went there. I don't go to Mizzou, but I've had a lot of experiences there, and for the mean time I am living very close by. Although come January, I will be somewhere entirely different. I don't like where I am right now
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@Cerulean
First thread I click on in Mafia Universe was made by someone called BigMenLover9923. Seems like a loving community
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Is this your way of telling me that you're waiting for me to respond in our debate together?
Round 2 is coming to a debate website near you
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@Mharman
Ceru, any of your MU friends up for a bastard game?
If by MU you Mizzou University then it's a small world to be honest
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@Earth
I'll get to see how you fit into mafia as a player instead of a moderator.
By the way, do you create the theme and character roles yourself? Is there a structure you follow?
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@Mharman
Sounds fun, Mhar. I was thinking of taking a step back for the next round of a mafia game, but this very untraditional take has me intrigued!
I want to be a clown. A clown in da car
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Any tips for future reference with what I did? I'd appreciate some feedback.
The game was really fun. It's like a multi-faceted debate with loads of deception and manipulation involved. The themes and characters and abilities make it very interesting too
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I probably would've done better as a Mafia. I would've been more careful with what I said. I was too naive with feeling safe being a townie
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If you are town sorry, but if you are scum I want you to know you played extremely well and none of us was as good as you are as fast as you.
I probably should've been more honest in my gameplay. I did a lot of things that backfired really badly. Really easy to take what I said against me. Well-played mafias
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I was looking at his posts from a year ago and a lot look like this
Man, I forgot I said that. Two years feels forever ago. I get surprised I was able to talk like that in high school. Doesn't seem like me.
I guess I'll die a bit more happily while I get hanged, getting lost in nostalgia
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@WyIted
The fact you keep using the term roleblock, doesn't exactly help your case
That's what the Jailkeeper does. I can also protect someone, but I wouldn't know who
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@WyIted
If you are town than barney is 100% scum and it makes no sense for him to not be the one carrying out the NK
That's why I roleblocked him in np2. Because I thought he would be doing the night kill
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Shouldn't we vote on the person we originally thought as a majority we were very certain was mafia? Sure, I look guilty. But isn't JoeBob like a guaranteed mafia?
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I can't argue my way out of this. I'm kind of embarrassed honestly.Though if I am lynched, mafia wins
That was probably hasty thing to say. But I think you guys will end up voting me out
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I can't argue my way out of this. I'm kind of embarrassed honestly.
Though if I am lynched, mafia wins
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@WyIted
I never said I looked through several previous games. I looked at one or two to see how things go
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@WyIted
I was looking at his posts from a year ago and a lot look like thisHe seems thoughtful and intelligent. I don't think he is stupid enough to think "you win with town" makes you third party. Especially after claiming to have read several games and read the op each dp
I think one of my faults is I overanalyze small things such as the phrase "you win with town." I'm trying to think out loud even if it might sound like a stupid thing to say
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@ILikePie5
I am Huff N. Puff, the leader of a gang of Ruff Puffs keeping Flower Fields cloudy and permanently overcast by my cloud making machine.What does any of this have to do with protecting or role blocking someone?I suspect Barney had the fake claim with the Dreaming God and Jr Koopa because the justification is there.Every other townie’s justification makes sense and links the role to character, except Skipper
You want more of my character description? I thought I gave enough.
Overseeing my efforts in the clouds, I block the sun from rising into the sky. Thus, I am a Jailkeeper
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@ILikePie5
2) Skippy claims he targeted Cerulean NP1. If he did, he should’ve received a message from Earth saying: “Your action failed” because Cerulean commuted NP1. Skippy never said that his action failed and claims he never got a message from Earth, which has to be a lie if he’s telling the truth about targeting Cerulean
Earth could have forgotten to tell me that my action failed. I thought no response meant it didn't fail, but then in np2 Earth told me my roleblock on JoeBob was confirmed, so a positive response from the mod is necessary to confirm success. Earth probably forgot to tell me
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@Casey_Risk
Commuter is active. A Commuter can choose whether to commute or not. Only Ascetic is passive.
Yeah, that makes sense. My mistake
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@ILikePie5
@WyIted
@JoeBob
@Casey_Risk
Guys, I think I have been misinterpreting what Earth told me since the game first started.
I was rereading what Earth told me, and the message doesn't actually specifically say I am a townsfolk. It only says "you win with the town." I would've been told explicitly that I am on the town, right? I think this means I am really a third-party player. That makes sense since my character description is of being a gang leader, like I have my own business to attend to.
I think I put this whole party on tilt when I said at the beginning I was town
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@ILikePie5
That all depends on me to have actually been telling the truth that I have the Jailbreaker role. If was Mafia, wouldn't I have lied about that and said I have a different role?Ya, I think you’re a Mafia Roleblocker.
Dude, if I was scum with a roleblocking ability, I would not have said out loud what my ability was. Maybe there are strategies to that, but not a good one in this game right now.
What makes you think I lied about roleblocking Cerulean? Is it only because Luna's ability failed? Would you clarify the chronological line of thought that you had to suspect me? For example, did you first suspect me because you think I lied, or because Luna's ability failed?
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@ILikePie5
One of you and Skipper has to be scum cause 3 role failing roles make zero sense, especially with 2 powerful investigative roles.What are the three roles that failed? Did this happen in one night?Commuter causes actions to failAscetic causes actions to failJailkeeper causes actions to fail
Oh, I misunderstood what you were saying there. I thought your English was messing up or something. So you were saying that there are three roles that have the ability to roleblock or "role-fail" as you said. I thought you were saying that three abilities were used, and all of them failed.
After brushing up on what the roles do from the google docs list, those three roles do not seem crazy to be present in one game. The reason being that two of them are passive--Commuter and Ascetic--and only one is active--Jailkeeper
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@ILikePie5
You believe I didn't roleblock Cerulean but instead roleblocked Lunatic because he was told his ability failed. Before dp1 ended, I gave my thoughts on Mhar and Luna, and then later we were told Mharman was lynched and actually a townie. I could see someone thinking that because Mhar was innocent, I may have then suspected Luna so I roleblocked him.You probably didn’t even do the actions. But let me explain. As mafia, you and Barney/Joe know that Mharman and Luna are town. So you know that after Mharman was lynched, Luna is still alive and is a Toen Watcher. Thus, Barney/Joe has you roleblock Luna, so he couldn’t use his action and possibly catch the killer
That all depends on me to have actually been telling the truth that I have the Jailbreaker role. If was Mafia, wouldn't I have lied about that and said I have a different role?
But Luna wasn't my first or even my second option for scum and probably not my third either. There were others I would've targeted before him. I was suspicious of Ceru during dp1You’re mafia. Whatever you say, I don’t believe. You’ve been caught in a lie, and your role’s existence doesn’t make sense with Wylted’s role existence. From your POV, Wylted should be scum.
Me not having the best insight into who I should think is scum does not mean I am mafia. You're conjoining two separate points
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@ILikePie5
One of you and Skipper has to be scum cause 3 role failing roles make zero sense, especially with 2 powerful investigative roles.
What are the three roles that failed? Did this happen in one night?
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@ILikePie5
You believe I didn't roleblock Cerulean but instead roleblocked Lunatic because he was told his ability failed. Before dp1 ended, I gave my thoughts on Mhar and Luna, and then later we were told Mharman was lynched and actually a townie. I could see someone thinking that because Mhar was innocent, I may have then suspected Luna so I roleblocked him.
But Luna wasn't my first or even my second option for scum and probably not my third either. There were others I would've targeted before him. I was suspicious of Ceru during dp1
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@ILikePie5
How am I the only reason Lunatic's ability failed?
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During dp1, I was not told anything,
Sorry, in Post #5 I meant to say night phase 1, not day phase. My roleblock on Cerulean was not confirmed
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@WyIted
Why barney?
He hasn't given much for his innocence, just gave reasons why he can't be on very much which do sound legitimate, but it provides him with an easier way to not have to defend himself from suspicion.
Why Barney over Pie? I could've picked either one, but I felt like Barney could've been logging on and killing someone and then just logging off. We don't suspect him of being quiet
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During dp1, I was not told anything, but I am now assuming that my ability didn't go into effect because due to Cerulean's character, he couldn't have been targeted by anything since it was odd numbered night.
During np2, I roleblocked JoeBob/Barney, and I was told it was confirmed. Lunatic died though, so I'm pretty sure that Pie is the other Mafia since I don't think WyIted or Casey is one
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
@WyIted
I used roleblocking on Cerulean because he was one of the more suspicious characters from dp1, and if he was a mafia trying to kill someone then I could have potentially saved a townie
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VTL Cerulean
Since we lost Mharman, I think lynching needs to happen more quickly so we can get rid of a mafia. I am probably not going to be back on for ten hours maybe, so I would rather put in a vote now instead of waiting till later. Cerulean is still in the list of scum for me
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
@WyIted
I am Huff N. Puff, the leader of a gang of Ruff Puffs keeping Flower Fields cloudy and permanently overcast by my cloud making machine. I have the Jailkeeper role. I can target a player and protect them from any lethal actions and also roleblock them from committing any actions.
I don't know how Lunatic's ability failed during the NP, but it wasn't because of me
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@WyIted
It's a lot of pressure
A lot of pressure to do what? Lol. Do you want the story to sound really good? Or do you have COC enemies that are hunting you or something?
Does it bring up emotional memories?
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@WyIted
I discontinued this series, but just for you I will either post the co tinuatuon tomorrow or give you The short version to satisfy your curiousity
Anticipating the sequel
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@Lunatic
@Mharman
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
@Cerulean
I have some thoughts to share before I go to bed. I've read everything, only once though.
Mharman and Lunatic: Mharman is trying very hard and is saying a lot of things to defend himself and weaken other's arguments, and this behaviour does not inherently make him look suspicious to me. The way Lunatic responds seems like Luna is staying firm where he believes about everything, but Mharman is rushing at him from different angles and points. Mharman's strategy seems to do well for having more control over the proceedings of the game, but I think he is perhaps trying too hard.
Mharman seems more suspicious to me than Lunatic. Lunatic could be scum from the pov of a random number generator, but I have no scumtells on him.
By reading so much in one sitting (I think from Page 11 to Page 14) I had a chance to look at Mharman's behavioural changes over the course of a few hours, and from what I saw, it seemed he had a certain revelation (about what I'm not certain) about something that changed his approach. This sense on him made me more concerned as he then started to place more attention onto me as an attempt to divert attention from him, which makes sense because of how close he is to being lynched.
I think he is being cool about it though with everything considered, and the main reason I say that is because he unvoted me. This is also what makes me less suspicious of him all of a sudden because I don't know what he gains from that if he is Mafia. Maybe this makes him look more innocent because he is choosing to be softer and more forgiving towards me?
WyIted: With what WyIted said about me being pushed into my shell, I did choose to remain on the quieter side to focus on other peoples' strategies and styles of gameplay so I could pick up on how to maneuver the game. Questions about my convo with WyIted about Discord seem to be brought up a lot when discussing my town cred. When WyIted asked me if I was put into a Discord chat, I immediately thought this was a trap because I knew, by reading past games and explanations of the rules, that Mafia are sometimes (or all the time?) placed in a Discord chat to talk to each other. Because of this, I decided to be more ambiguous in my response which when I look back, just looks weird with how I said things. I didn't want to bluntly say "no" because I thought that would make me look hasty and like I was trying to hide that I was in the mafia chat. I chose to be more aloof in the beginning.
But then, contrastingly, I became direct and outspoken when I first gave my say about how I am a full-fledged townie. That was a strategy I wanted to try out, and it was coupled with sharing the concern about mafia tricking town into mislynching me. But now that I have had a little more experience with how this game goes, I am sure that sort of thing happens all of the time and was unnecessary for me to bring up.
Cerulean: Cerulean is also another suspicious fellow to me. I think it was Mharman, maybe Pie, that called him out on something. Was it being inactive? I am writing this part right before going to sleep so I don't remember as clearly. Cerulean caught on to this mistake of his, and then tried to contribute more in general. I don't think he's done any better so far to clear himself.
And if Mharman was the one to call out Cerulean, I know even less what to think of Mharman now. However, as I have considered the tactic of a mafia making another mafia look suspicious to save his own skin, this could be a possibility. Making Cerulean look scummy where we are in the game probably won't get Cerulean killed, but would rather give more time to Mharman to do whatever his secret plan is.
I do not know if some townies are expecting me to pull the trigger on Mharman, what with him having a 4/5 vote right now, but I do not feel ready to do that. Also, how exactly do the game mechanics work if someone gets lynched? Would he officially die after the first NP?
I am not sure how active I will be close to when DP ends, but if someone could explain what exactly happens during the shift in phases, just some general details, that would be appreciated. Like for example, can mafia kill people the minute NP starts? Do any townsfolk encourage me to use my ability?
I will read again sometime tomorrow
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@WyIted
I haven't clicked on the link yet, but I already know it's going to be a clip from the Princess Bride. That's a great movie
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@Lunatic
Just so I understand the slang,
PR is "protective role," yes?
I don't know what CC means. "Calling Cap" on something? Call it out as not true? I think's that what it could be in the context of how you used the term.
I'm pretty sure JOAT means "Jack Of All Trades."
I do not know what WIFOM means. Something something Fear Of Mafia? Idk
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