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@TheRealNihilist
Edited. I am really not that great at writing to begin with and write most of my posts pretty quickly.
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I was curious after reading post 39, as to the significance in your view.
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“You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,”
Have you ever observed these words in your life?
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I don't know, maybe it feels more substantive, conveys that this guy might have done something meaningful in this place, or people relate to the fact that there are man-hours put into it. Different people will approach the world they live in different ways, and in addition, not all history is mainstream so a pathway to knowledge might not otherwise open up in someone's face. Then, were you forced to learn to an accepted standard in a classroom, or are you actually choosing to go to the library?
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@TheRealNihilist
Oh, are you delving into parenthood now? Of course, everyone has an imagination but I don't understand how you intend for me to tie that in.
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@TheRealNihilist
There really is something about making it a real part of life that is inspiring, and people only learn things the easy way if they are willing to take the initiative.The thing is children imagine many things so to say this is out of their bounds would not be true.
Well, that's not what I'm saying
I don't see any indication of understanding such a privilege here.What do you mean?
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@DBlaze
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DBlaze: I said they work as a catalyst gaining interest in history. You don't just bring a picture to a kid and hope he reads the book.Your argument is still because children likes statues therefore they would have a greater interest in history. The thing is books can replicate that and also give him/her a better source of information.
I can relate to what DBlaze is saying. There really is something about making it a real part of life that is inspiring, and people only learn things the easy way if they are willing to take the initiative. I don't see any indication of understanding such a privilege here.
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"Should public officials not representing the interest, destroy the property that the minority of people value, or account for that value?" I believe it is actually privately owned already, but could be wrong.Okay.
^^^Edited on page one - *not representing* refined to *being independent of representing*
**Actually** changed to **in reality** to further distinguish from hypothetical
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Omar: if society deems his accomplishment not worth showcasingWhy Demolish it rather than transferring into private care?Omar: Why make the distinction between public and private care?
In this instance, I was unsure what society means but could still infer that it referred to a majority populous. I am positive that there will always be some degree of interest in the estate so there is an inherent choice in the hypothetical. I thought something to the effect "Should public officials, being independent of representing the interest, destroy the property that the minority of people value, or account for that value?"
I believe in reality it is privately owned already, but could be wrong.
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@TheRealNihilist
What do you mean by society in this context? Why demolish it rather than transferring into private care?
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@TheRealNihilist
I'm referring to the home at Mt. Vernon. You can still tour it today
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@TheRealNihilist
Shall we remove the Washington Monument and tear down the estate as well?
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@TheRealNihilist
Even if we forget about history
The question it may seem. Do we really want to forget, or what do we really want to forget? If its not handed down, the people are losing something that they won't get back from a book. That's really a local matter as you say
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Even in the days where racism was more accepted it had nothing to do with the Nazis. You can't read into Nazi propaganda and apply it to the American struggle with historical slavery. When the smoke cleared white supremacy (as we know it) became permanently obsolete as a political force in modern times, and it doesn't make sense to take that as your primary assumption in the first place.
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@secularmerlin
Well I wouldn't keep him in the habit. Whatever he's up to it doesn't look good for him.
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@secularmerlin
I've seen this sort of thing before. In my experience they were hoping to press personal information out of people so that it might be exploited. You just have to accept that they aren't reasonable sometimes, and its advisable to ignore them. Since there's nothing we can do without being able to interact in person, just have to let it go, and be there for the people in your life. It sucks.
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@Alec
That's more than the carrying capacity of Earth. There might be beasties too. You're gonna need a bigger spaceship.
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@Goldtop
Disregarding the generalization, basically that's a decent way of putting it. Its another form of idol worship to construct an image and address it as God.
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@Melcharaz
Just don't define, and try not to speak inappropriately
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
Well he's admitted to not knowing much about philosophy. You're merely asserting that his language is not confusing. Even people who like his work tend to admit it's confusing so you saying I don't understand it because I have my own confusing language is just false.
What type of fallacy is this, if there is only one?
You're merely asserting that his language is not confusing.
"Has not proven" is not an assertion as you say, so in the absence of explicit information, how did you come to this conclusion?
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
If we're gonna interlock thought. Then I'm gonna have to drop the atheist thing because I'm not going to argue something that's a matter of societal usage. If you want to hang on to a 1,000 year old definition, that's your problem. Moving on.So your above response, I say "what philosophy?"JP isn't a philosopher, he's a psychologist. He doesn't know squat about philosophy accept for whatever he might have picked up in a side class in college.Real philosophers actually define things. It doesn't matter what their field of philosophy is.I agree that we should try to understand what JP says. That's the problem. He's not speaking clearly. He only makes sense to theists who's brains are already jumbled by confusing theist speech.(not talking about all theists)
The problem I am seeing here thus far has not proven that Mr. Peterson's speech is confusing. Its been explained to you that the absurd colloquialism you prefer is insufficient for conferring thought when the rubber meets the road. The issue in this case as has been demonstrated is that your brain is jumbled by confusing speech to the extent that you express sensibility as intolerable. If you deem yourself unable to make sense in this simple context for the sake of conversation than it is unreasonable for you to assume that he is speaking unclearly. In that respect, you should be able (technically) to begin solving whatever problems you are taking issue with, and as such they cannot be easily dismissed. In this context it is also evident that you are not in a position to say that he does "not know squat" about philosophy at this time, even if that is not of his primary concern.
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@Castin
Maybe spoiled teenagers want the abuse nowadays and its just too hot right now. Who's to say? This movement isn't capable of addressing the underlying issues. If someone or something is influencing it that would be interesting to me, but I think I would lose my mind trying to make sense of it.
The best you can do is to think of the work you contribute financially and practically too, and be true to yourself and others. A successful initiative would have a common moral standing, contrasted from oppositional 'justice', as well as an understanding of industry structure.
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@Castin
It is unwise to expect fairness from a mob.Yes, but this still doesn't explain the discrepancy.
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@WisdomofAges
How do you decide what gets capitalized?
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@dave2242
People might actually end up in heaven even if they stabbed someone. We can't actually judge if someone will end up in hell. We could only say they are in grave circumstance.
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@Alec
You are free to try I suppose, free country and all. There is no "we" on this one though as far as I am concerned. How do you figure you can get to this screaming thing through a hole from America?
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
So much wrong.
Count out the number of things that are wrong for me so that I can understand what you are referring to
Agnosticism is to not know "something"
Hence, "I do not know, therefore " Contrastly Gnosticism would be "I know, therefore"
I can be agnostic about if there is money in my pocket.I can be agnostic about if I will win the lottery when I play it.it has nothing to do with atheism what so ever.
Agreed
without god belief is pretty straight forward. If you're not a theist, you're an atheist, there's no in between. You either have god belief, or you're without it. A rejection of god COULD be atheism because it will leaves you "without god belief" but it's gnostic atheism because gnostic implies to know.
All ists, actually connotate SOMETHING. A lack of belief is nonexistent, nonsensical, and there is no philosophical utility. It is nothing.
Honestly, this might be the last response you get because if this is all you have to say then you're just a troll.
I think its relevant to trying to understand what Mr. Peterson is conveying, and ultimately being able to critique his philosophy.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
To your way of thinking, how does "without God Belief" disprove "refers to rejection of the very concept of God"? Agnosticism - I do not know, therefore. Atheism - I am without, therefore.
Agnosticism is not a subset of atheism. If I had to guess I would have to say you are making a false assumption "Atheism is the default position", equating atheism, a belief or system of thought, with a position of ignorance.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
The idea that a position of ignorance is "atheism" is just idiotic colloquialism, and has no philosophical utility. Atheism in any respectable sense, refers to a rejection of the very concept of God.
Atheism means if I may know God, I still reject God.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
Okay, in one paragraph you are complaining about him not defining things, and the next you are bickering about his personal definition of "atheism". I believe Jordan Peterson is a Christian or has a Christian background. He is probably accustomed to using "atheism" in the theological sense commonly defined as a rejection of God rather than a position of ignorance. Atheism means if I may know God, I still reject God. Most of what people may refer to as "atheism" is really agnosticism.
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@Alec
Why is this in the religion forum, rather than the political, society, or miscellaneous forums?
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He thinks atheists are serial killers
Could you elaborate on this?
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
"he goes out of his way to never actually define anything.
Following a defined set of step by steps could be doing it wrong depending on the context. We just have to leave some things open ended when it comes to life and social relations. A philosophy that doesn't account for that may necessitate a controlled environment, and that could get ugly, which if I understand is something that Jordan Peterson has had to confront from time to time.
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@TheRealNihilist
Not now, but thank you
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@Alec
How does Abuela fit into this?
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Do you think the EU is justified in "making an example" out of the UK?
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@Alec
The US has always been multilingual and multicultural, with English as the universal language. Whatever the consequence, its reality. I think proper English should be endorsed
Good Reasons in no particular order
General
Mitigating Language Barriers
- Excessive translation (Time/errors)
- Familiar Language (Sociability)
- Maximal Social Opportunity
- Access to Educational Literature
Alleviates Ingroup Reliance
International Recognition
Tied with American History
Promotion Abroad
Right of Passage
Proving America is for You
There are no negatives to learning English as a prospective American. Its a question of implementation and opportunity.
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@Stronn
I wonder what the breakdown is. In my experience about 1/3 agnostic deism, 1/3 agnostic atheism, and whatever the other people are.
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@Alec
What do you mean by saved?I think people in hell should be saved.
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@TheRealNihilist
OP: How are the majority of your claims related to the topic at hand?
Omar: [N/A] no viable explanation
Clarification in context:
Snoopy: This is getting off topic though
Omar: Why did you even reply to what I said? Why did you address me instead of addressing what the person who created the forum post said?
Snoopy : You received a reply out of courtesy
I'm not interested in jacking this thread, and since OP is still unanswered, its not appropriate for me to continue the chain with you.
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@TheRealNihilist
If capital is not reliable as a measure of wealth, and capital is attributed as real wealth, than one might imagine a capitalist system is flawed. This is getting off topic though. You received a reply out of courtesy
OP: How are the majority of your claims related to the topic at hand? I'm not trolling. I think people in hell should be saved.
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Capital is a fine concept to the end of accountability, and a common currency is a fine concept to the end of market exchange, but taken outside of that there is not much else it is good for. Money is obviously not actually indicative of something that could be called real wealth. Money changing as a goal, or a sign of success/failure, is why I mentioned ism.
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@TheRealNihilist
No, positive is not intended to convey "better"
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If there is a fundamental flaw it is the "ism", the idea implicating capital as an operative principle, rather than a medium of utility. Free Market Principle would likely be a better representation of the positive connotation sometimes attributed to capitalism.
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I would have to establish a better understanding of a right - left paradigm.Far left is communism.Far right is facism.By the statements made is Ben Shapiro a far right figure.
Generally Ben Shapiro is supportive of limited government. Although I wish he would speak more on checks and balances, I don't think its as pertinent in his perspective because he advocates a system with less liability to account for in the government. I don't understand communism as a coherent philosophy, and I don't think of Ben Shapiro as bordering fascism.
My understanding in the context I have, is that I am far right on a spectrum which differs from American norms.I take that as a yes.
I don't consider myself sympathetic to fascism as a sustainable approach to government, so no.
I don't know what distinction this is referring to.You said:You said precisely that the United States is made up of people. I have not.Even though earlier you said this:The nation is made up of people,
The comma indicates that this is an incomplete sentence. The full sentence is the best explanation currently available.
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Does Shapiro hold views that mostly resembles the far-right which makes him a far right?
I would have to establish a better understanding of a right - left paradigm. I find Ben Shapiro doesn't cater my taste, though what I have watched from him did not seem to be extreme.
Do you understand if you support nationalism you are a part of the far right?
My understanding in the context I have, is that I am far right on a spectrum of mysterious origin which differs from American norms.
Do you understand people have ideas so basically making a distinction like what you did had no bearing in the conversation?
I don't know what distinction this is referring to.
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@TheRealNihilist
Okay, I am sorry for the confusion. I have just been talking really. I think of forums as a place for a collection of thought, and that's my general mentality, that is contributing to the forum. Its of no particular concern to me to be persuasive in this setting. If you receive a reply in a forum it is probably an archival note, because I am interested in what you have to say for some reason, or because I allot limited time to entertain questions and general interest (something of that general nature).
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@TheRealNihilist
So you say to meRead the OPBut you didn't even follow it either.
I'm grasping but can't seem to get a grip on the point of this. I got a kick out of it anyway, since that's basically my first post in this thread after reading the OP
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@TheRealNihilist
I'm not defending anything that I know of, so my ability to do so is not ascertainable in the sense of my capacity
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The nation is made up of people, but the United States could be said to be more of a shared idea between the people.So basically many people want public healthcare because they like the idea but the Republican party don't want that to happen.Are there voices being heard and why isn't their public healthcare?Since what is right doesn't come from governments constructed by men to serve their people, there may be issues utilizing your philosophy in general.I am not going to allow you to shift the converddsation in a different direction. Remember when it was about Ben Shapiro being part of the alt-right then you decide to make it about yourself then you decide to change that conversation to about how nationalism or socialism are not on the left and right spectrum. You really do like changing the argument when you know you can't defend the previous ones.
Surely you wanted to stay with what the forum post initially said but you replied to my statements.Why is that if you wanted to talk about what the forum was about?Without you I wouldn't have said more about the topic.
If the conversation is going to continue shifting from nonsensical ideologies to theoretical reality, idolatry is going to prove detrimental
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