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@TheRealNihilist
Since what is right doesn't come from governments constructed by men to serve their people, there may be issues utilizing your philosophy in general.
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@TheRealNihilist
Read the part you are choosing not to
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@TheRealNihilist
You said precisely that the United States is made up of people. I have not.
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@TheRealNihilist
The nation is made up of people, but the United States could be said to be more of a shared idea between the people.If this was true why don't people have healthcare?
I don't understand
The means by which public healthcare is contingent upon the will of the people who can therefore have it, would be a voluntary business venture distinct from, but not necessarily unrelated to the United States.So basically if the people will it then it becomes part of the United States?
Rather distinct from it, in this case.
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@TheRealNihilist
The nation is made up of people, but the United States could be said to be more of a shared idea between the people. Some call it an experiment. The means by which public healthcare is contingent upon the will of the people who can therefore have it, would be a voluntary business venture distinct from, but not necessarily unrelated to the United States. I say this in the sense of what happens to be logically consistent with your choice of words. I'll have to think about the values.
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@TheRealNihilist
I am pretty sure that not doing anything isn't support. Generally speaking, I don't think the United States has ever been at a point where it wasn't worth salvaging. If it did get to that point, I view reconstruction to be preferable to abandonment.
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@TheRealNihilist
I would support my country even when my countrymen are doing things I think are bad, but don't see myself advocating for the other things.
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@TheRealNihilist
Can you please define "support"?
I'm sensing that the alternative right left paradigm seems to be something akin to fascism vs socialism in this case. Do you have any comment when it comes to the alt-left?
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@TheRealNihilist
According to the evidence in this case, I guess so. Now what?
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@TheRealNihilist
Traditionally, in American philosophy the state is constructed in respect of certain rights which are thought of as independent from the state. I take this to be the correct view.
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@TheRealNihilist
"nationalism" I have taken numerous tests made by people claiming to understand a left-right spectrum, and have never "leaned right" before.So even after many people telling you are wrong you still won't listen? Good to know.You do know nationalism is a form of fascism right?Fascism ( is a form of radical, right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy, which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[6] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.
Again, perhaps it is considered in context of an alternative spectrum. In my experience socialists, and people (beside jokesters) who accept a label of "alt-right" express rights as coming from the state, which is incompatible with traditional American politics. To clarify, upon taking tests from third parties in the past, I have never received a conclusion of even slightly leaning to the right.
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@TheRealNihilist
"nationalism" I have taken numerous tests made by people claiming to understand a left-right spectrum, and have never "leaned right" before, not even slightly.
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@TheRealNihilist
Okay, so I am "alt-right". Now what?
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@TheRealNihilist
Also, how is this "alt-right" defined? I presume it stands for Alternative Right, perhaps on an entirely different left right spectrum from a relatively established standard.
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@TheRealNihilist
I think I have shared views with some figures that are called "Alt-Right" as well, probably distinct from Ben Shapiro.
Puppies are Cute
"Racial Equality" is probably undesirable
Its inappropriate to call healthcare a positive right
Rap is "crap" (I find it lacking in musicality)
Nationalism is healthy, within reason
Taxation should not precede policy
It is morally irreconcilable to ascribe evil on account of estimated net worth, quarterly income, and yearly income
What is the significance?
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@TheRealNihilist
What exactly do you find compelling about that image?
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@TheRealNihilist
Link 1, "The idea that black people are disproportionately poor in the United States because America is Racist, That's just not True" did not work
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@TheRealNihilist
I can only assume this is PBS, as in Public Broadcasting Service. Do you have a link to the website? I couldn't find it online for some reason.
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@Alec
I may be able to rephrase the questions. It would be helpful to know what you take issue with
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@Alec
Have you accounted for American resistance at home, and proxy conflicts?
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@Alec
Have you considered the wider scope of managing to isolate the international influence of the Chinese government?
What service does an insane imperialist minority faction offer between the Americans and the potential Chinese exploits?
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@Alec
What does your cost benefit analysis look like with considerations like incentivizing mutually beneficial relationships through investment in infrastructure, compared with an illegal military campaign?
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@Alec
Why aren't we taking advantage of our economic high ground and proposing a superior relationship to undermine the Chinese in Africa, and be a willing partner in the nations' explosive potential?
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@n8nrgmi
On one point, it is not a big deal to talk to people about the health consequences and helping someone crack a habit or get off their butt is just the right thing to do.
On the other, I want to see evidence when it comes to smoking until you die of red meat with a beer in your hand and boots under your feet, just prior to retirement. The argument of excess I can understand, but not this "sucking from the coffers".
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
I think in some ways its actually more intuitive or natural for immigrants to start out with nothing over old American families in that they are immersed into new ways of thinking. I don't mean tools as in an object that makes your life easer, but more of a mental asset, or a way of going about things.
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Chapter 4: What the hell happened here?
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@Goldtop
Pending an extensive international genocide which is going to take a lot of time and coordination, I am not able to come up with a way to eliminate Christianity, so you will probably have to cope with it for the remainder of your life. I think on a macro level, the more stress that is placed on it, the stronger it will get. Once it gets big and easy, there will tend to be a larger proportion of cultural "Christians" and whatnot.
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@Goldtop
No, and I consider a link between the fresh outlook of children and the experience of elders to be a vital aspect of societies that lends both ways. That is, parents should be learning from their children, and vice versa.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
If you have the tools, I would give a resounding yes, but I can think of several instances from personal experience where it takes multiple generations for a family to adapt from "thinking poor" relative to their environment. This goes for old American families as well as recent immigrants.
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Another problem is that gullibility and ignorance can be considered a lucrative market, and promoted industrially. Not only can people fall for it, but its conceivable that people may be encompassed by it in at least some aspects.
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@Stephen
Racism is relatively simple to rule out as unreasonable so that was an easy in, but religion and politics as can be observed in this website are often considered to be highly debatable subjects. At some point in this thread we would have to act to the effect of ascertaining which fears are unreasonable. It should be obvious why governments should not have this power by now. In America, that's considered to be in the jurisdiction of the church, which is separate from the jurisdiction of government. If you don't separate the church and government, you could wind up corrupting both.
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@keithprosser
the sort of person who formerly filled the ranks of the NF and BNP are now on the anti-islam wandwagon. Frankly, you frequently come over as an old fashioned racist, just replacing coloured people with muslims.
In other words, they are "white". White racism is a relatively common occurrence in my experience. That doesn't mean that I should address you as a racist. That's incredibly rude and unwarranted. Islam is not a race either, so the cognitive dissonance puts you at risk of impairing your address to any real social problems, if that's the intent.
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@Outplayz
Okay, so when you say the religion, do you mean that you fear the religion of Jesus, or are you talking about something else, like organized efforts in the name of God. I think one is a fear of Christianity, the way, and the latter pertains more to fear of the Christian identity. Mirroring islamophobia I would assume that christianphobe in this context would refer to the way, since Islam designates a faith and the people are called Muslims. Hopefully I'm not boxing you in with this line of questioning. Feel free to elaborate.
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@Stephen
If you don't presently even have a reason to fear Christianity, nor do you fear it, I think we can rule out an irrational, uncontrollable fear in your case.
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@Stephen
Do you think Christians pose a threat to you, your people, or your country?
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As the philosopher Bill Murray would say, "so I've got that goin for me" In simple terms Christians may accept this niceness (Christ), and through the grace of God are saved. The people who are saved end up in Heaven, "which is nice"
One might ask, what is the point without love? Assuming heaven is something which is not deserved but brought about by true love. If you won't accept that then, well, there may be nothing even God can do for you
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@keithprosser
As you might have noticed, I'm hesitant to go into the depth of the entire history of Christianity for the sake of this topic. For all intents and purposes, we do not need to know the mechanics of heaven from a Christian standpoint. Heaven is already laid out for us, and all you have to do is get back up if you happen to fall. This is in true love not lust. In reference to condition, it is not possible to earn your way into heaven so I don't see why anyone would expect there to be a list of steps or something. I suppose theological concepts could be complicated within the church, but the religion seems to be intuitive even to a child.
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@keithprosser
Nope, and those are clearly referring to a reward, within Heaven, which is the state in which the Kingdom of Christianity resides after death
Using Mathew as an example in the brief subtopic, upon opening your bible you'll note it is in reference to people who endure persecution in the name of the Lord, stating that through such an event they can ultimately rejoice, but, besides the topic of heaven, the persecution and consequential reward a goal of Christianity? Obviously not...Its in reference to a just and loving god, and through God's grace Christians may act in kind and rejoice to their good fortune. Honestly, I can't do perfect justice to the message, but hopefully that is an acceptable contribution
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@keithprosser
Chritianity arose amongt a group of people who were generally poor and had pretty hard lives. The paradise they were promised is not described in any detail, but for such people almost anything would be an improvement!in Revelation we read:"Never again will they hunger;never again will they thirst.The sun will not beat down on them,nor any scorching heat.So Paradise was originally conceived as more about the absence of the hard aspects of the daily life.
A positive contribution to the thread, nice to see
It is only in more modern times (when ordinary life is not too bad) that mere release from grinding poverty and the endless toil needed just to survive is not enough reward.
This could be hedonistic, a heathen's interpretation, generally filed under product of sin. It betrays a deeply flawed or fundamental misunderstanding to the faith. Could we call it satanic? Heaven, is not considered to be understood as a reward.
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@Greyparrot
More Dollars =/= More Productivity
If More Dollars = More Time
A con job is still a waste of life.
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@TheRealNihilist
Well, capitalism is an economic principle, not a moral theory or a way of life. But yeah, not applying to be in company with those folks
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@TheRealNihilist
Heck, who knows why they do what they do. Maybe 30 seconds explicating that your president is in fact, not dog whistling to white nationalists, is just not worth the air time. You would think there would be hell to pay in a decent society.
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@TheRealNihilist
It didn't "come off" that way. People cut off explicit information for money. There's a market for a negative message apparently that is more valuable than the truth, and we are literally on the topic of stuff like racism and hate so disassociating the good from the bad and detaching it from a side was actually setting a good example.
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@Greyparrot
@TheRealNihilist
It is so ironic, that a nuanced statement that intricately carves up the prejudice and ignorance that people consider a lucrative industry is actually put out in a way that caters prejudice and ignorance. To me, that actually adds to how dead on Trump was.
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@TheRealNihilist
Go ahead and watch it I guess, or choose to be ignorant. I hate Trump rallies, which is why I was so surprised, because that's what you would expect of Trump, but the way Trump put it is actually a healthy counter to prejudice I think, and I can't believe he was able to put it across in the heat of the moment. I guess maybe if you don't keep your mouth shut, something good is bound to come out some day
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