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VTL Warren
Eating rn but about to go into a meeting so if y'all are discussing something I'll be on in a bit
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I have a couple of meetings and class but I'll be on later
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@Lunatic
Water, who doesn't even know what a soldier does, despite it being used in at least 3 recent games (including one pie hosted that he played in) knows some vague role about wills?
This is a good point though I need to think about this more
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@Bullish
You still need to give your thoughts
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@Lunatic
Water's claim doesn't seem like a last ditch scum claim to save everything where warrens does.
To me, b/c it's nonprovable, unlikely to be taken by town, and has an easy justification, that's why I don't see him doing it.
Also the defense of WF, which I do think he could do as town but makes sense for him to do as scum too
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@Lunatic
I think I see what you mean but I doubt that will happen even if they are aware of it.
If we're both alive next DP we can talk about it more then, doesn't really matter rn
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@WaterPhoenix
why is drafter town conf i don't think he's done anything this game that makes him town conf
DP1, drafter said he'd go with Luna and strengthen Luna so that Luna could kill Mikal. Then later he backed out. If he was scum, he wouldn't back out because he wants a free town kill since he'd know Mikal was town. So therefore drafter is town
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@warren42
I would argue hard and if it came to it pull "I'm the one alive it's my call"
Well same so I dunno. I do agree that out of everyone, Water doing that kill makes the most sense
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@warren42
I would not let that happen. If I'm making the kill it's lunatic, maybe you or drafter. He's essentially locked town and good at the game and an active presence in the thread.
My point is that argument applies to everyone (except maybe Water?)
Even if Water is the scum and decided to do Supa, that means WF/GP signed off on it, which means they saw some inherent value in doing that, which means they'd see that value no matter who the third scum is
So I guess Water doing it makes the most sense but I don't understand why the others would be ok with it unless scum team as a whole saw some value in doing that
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@Lunatic
can you spill the beans on what you are hiding? The more I think about it, the more I can't see a reason why you would. I am guessing that you are lying about your role or something, but even if thats the case and your confirmable tonight thats a good thing, we can cross you off the suspect list. We could use the POE today. What are you talking about?
I am not lying, the thing I'm "hiding" is just logic about how the next NP/DP is going to play out, but saying that tells Maf pretty much exactly what the optimal play is but if you still want it then I'll tell you
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@Lunatic
Not impossible for you to be lying jist pretty risky.
Lol no, you're missing something. But I don't wanna give maf ideas
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@Lunatic
Speed literally cant be lying I realize unless hes alive at LYLO. Mafia wouldnt let him live that long. If hes alive at the end you can just lynch him there.
Think about this a bit more
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@Lunatic
@warren42
The Supa kill doesn't matter in terms of "who would kill Supa." Since he was killed, clearly Whiteflame/GP were ok with it, so I don't think looking at that is an indication of who is scum and who isn't
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@WaterPhoenix
what makes you think drafter is town conf?
The way he put off the Elm lynch DP1 was something only town would do
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@Lunatic
Meant to tag you in 130
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what lol water is so town what reason would he claim that as scum
POE. From my view it's water or warren and I buy warren's claim more. And as far as the claim, a lot of these roles are from the mafia universe forum, so Water or his partners could've gone there to find it. It's an extremely safe claim with an easy justification and can't be proven, but also doesn't give maf incentive to kill them.
If it's not water then I am completely on board for warren next DP
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@Lunatic
you joking about the bomb thing
Yea lol
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Plot twist: I'm actually a bomb
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@warren42
Claim something that doesn’t give mafia incentive to kill you then. Dammit speed. BP, beloved princess, there are plenty of good things you could have lied about
I TRIEDDDDDD BRUHH but there was no legit justification for BP
But there's another reason I didn't do it as well that I'll say next DP
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@WaterPhoenix
by the way what does soldier do
If I am the last town alive, town wins
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VTL water
I'm really confident scum is water or warren and we can afford to lynch them both so I don't think which we lynch matters at all. But I like the deputy claim more than the millionaire one
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Both warren and water's claims are extremely safe claims
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@Lunatic
I can't be third party though, unless you think I was a vig that also inherited the night kill which is crazy. In pies last game speed didn't have a kill til both mafia members died.
I think he meant a serial killer
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@drafterman
You're clearly maf and I'm not discounting Lunatic as TP.
3 mafia and a TP? You're crazy lol
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@warren42
Side note I was really hoping Lunatic would hit the cop with his vig shot
Sounds like something SCUM would want
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@warren42
I think that my deputy claim should be worth something
Not throwing it out the window until we hear from the cop, but it's a very easy safe claim for maf to make
What's your justification
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@Lunatic
What are your thoughts on Bullish
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From an objective point of view, there are 5 potential lynches. Lunatic is the only person here who is basically completely CONFIRMED to be town.
Drafter
Me
Warren
Bullish
Water
I think everyone agrees with me and Luna that drafter is town as well, if not GG to him but I'm VERY confident in that read.
Bullish
Me
Warren
Water
From my view, obviously remove myself, and then remove whoever claims cop. That leaves two people who the last scum must be between
So for y'all it's basically three people you gotta choose between but to me it looks like it's between Warren and whoever does not claim cop
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@warren42
3 mafia with a godfather would be OP as fuck. 8v3 makes D2 MYLO as it is. I'm really hoping this is 3P or else this is terribly balanced
Grey is basically a godfather lol
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@Lunatic
BTW the deputy claim means nothing in the way of confirmation. It just means mafia knew a cop existed from DP1.
+1111 I was thinking the exact same thing.
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@warren42
Speed if you’re cop out. I assume it’s water at this point though.
It's Bullish or Water unless Bullish claimed already and I missed it
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Mr. Drafterman
Mr. Lunatic
Mr. Warren
Mr. Bullish
Mr. Speed
Mr. WaterPhoenix
I sus Bullish, Water, then Warren. One of them is the cop though which leaves us with just 2 people to lynch which is a win
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@Lunatic
It's that I'm the chair of a house army committee
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@Lunatic
I disagree in that I think Bullish is easily a candidate. But we should let the Cop out. I'm Adam Smith and I'm the Soldier
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@Bullish
@WaterPhoenix
Results?
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@Lunatic
You think drafter killed Elm?
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@warren42
We have two days left, and there's no reason not to hammer because everyone's checked in
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@Lunatic
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Mafia gang going strong
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@drafterman
Gramps is totally a mafia role.
What
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VTL Greyparrot
I think this is an obvious scumslip
How is it that we've been saying his role is like the Gramps this entire time and he just now realizes that it's different
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@Greyparrot
Ask Pie, if someone investigates you, what message do they receive
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As town, this would be a counter to a possible maf rolecop, and would counter a possible town cop/rolecop/other investigative role
But for maf it literally works as a godfather
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@warren42
How many times have you not seen him claim instantly as town?
Twice, once as town and once as scum if my memory is correct
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@Greyparrot
Why would you say that? I was much more convinced El was town than Luna before the DP2 kills and role flips. I'm much more concerned with El's reads than Luna's right now, and you're on El's list BTW.
You've recently taken to doing literally whatever Luna does lol
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@Lunatic
I definitely don't town read him for that lol. He only recently started that in your MCU weapons game.
Isn't that around the time he started playing again?
That said, I am still suspicious that he didn't immediately claim when he said himself it was his town meta.
+1
Also Pie has been in games with the gramps role, and grey's role functions just like a gramps. I think it's weird he wouldn't just call him a gramps instead of an electrician.
The only revealed role so far that I've heard of is Strengthener and my own role. I've never heard of any of the others
Also whiteflame was the first to immediately unvote grey after he claimed. Idk how I feel about grey yet, but we can circle back to him later.
Didn't know that, good point
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@Lunatic
Water was still defending him even as whiteflame was pretty close to being lynched though, so I think that makes him look town. Because if he had inside knowledge and knew whiteflame was scum, he wouldn't have been telling town to scum read me if it was a mislynch. It seems to show he didn't have inside info and was genuinely concerned we were mislynchign whiteflame I think.
Makes sense. I think I'm townreading Grey also because he's sheeping you like he usually does as town
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