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@ILikePie5
You love doing gambits as town lol
What I do as town aren't gambits. Gambits involve some form of risk
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@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
THE RED QUEEN
I've never read a better sci-fi series
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@That1User
The role exists because I'm the bride, SUpa said that the roles would be modified from drafter's list, the role is being shifted from twilight phase to night phase
Lol I did do this in my last game so I'll give that to you. You're still scum though
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@That1User
What made me think Speed was mafia was rallying everyone to get me out for a mislynch, realized how much power and influence he has
I'm dead, I wish this was true
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@Danielle
@whiteflame
@MisterChris
Third, Bride is literally a Twilight role. We didn't have a twilight phase yesterday, hence the role can't exist
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@Danielle
@whiteflame
@MisterChris
Seriously can't believe you guys are actually considering her claim lol
Firstly, she did this EXACT same thing in Civil War mafia
Secondly, the following quote:
I said "I love icecream"Icecream being a reference to vanilla, love being a reference to marriage
This was NOT meant to soft claim Bride. I know that because Lunatic said this EXACT SAME THING in Drafter's game to claim vanilla. That1 was in that game
Chris unvoting is scummy imo. I don't think it means anything for whiteflame though considering he kept following up with her
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@That1User
Lmao how tf does this make me scum? Wanting to prevent a mislynch and redirect this to someone who has a pretty good shot at being scum?
You townread drafter completely but suddenly when you're about to be lynched he's "semi-probable scum"
Besides that, town doesn't do gambits, only scum does
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I townread both of you, drafter for your aggressiveness and Speed for your defense of WP That1 yesterday
She literally took an entire 180 and claimed to "always be wary of him" even though her cited reason was DANIELLE's reason for saying she'd lynch drafter, and That1 never mentioned it till after Danielle posted
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@Danielle
@Barney
@whiteflame
@warren42
@MisterChris
You voting drafter was a gambit? - SpeedraceYesUnvoteIt was a gambit to get votes off of me to someone who's unknown to prevent a mislynch and get a semi-probable scum lynch. Lynching drafter would yield a lot though I'm not 100% if he's guilty or innocent here - That1User
I can't believe she fell for this LOL I kinda feel bad
Yeah she's scum
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@That1User
In a gambit that clearly failed, drafter is the great unknown here
You voting drafter was a gambit?
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@Danielle
@Barney
@MisterChris
Can we vote That1 please?
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VTL That1
I was down for drafter but That1 started acting SO scummy bruh and the fact that she switched to drafter makes me think it's drafter less ngl
I've never seen her act like this and it seems like she's cracking under pressure
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@That1User
Not all protagonists have to be vanilla, but it makes sense for two protagonists to be vanilla under Supa
That logic makes no sense lol
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@That1User
Using Supa logic, it makes sense for Luna and I to be both protagonists and vanilla.I am prevented from doing any night actions
Huh? There are other protagonists that aren't vanillas
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@MisterChris
I can't comment on That1's justification, because I don't know the character. It does look like the character is the main protagonist though. Unsure of whether Supa would make a protagonist vanilla
Lunatic was a main protagonist and is Vanilla
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@MisterChris
Is this a claim of deathproof, or just Drafter assuming no one could possibly want to lynch him?
That's what me and whiteflame have been trying to figure out but drafter is ignoring these questions
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I'll remind all that Supa's last theme split was literally good guys v bad guys, and so was the one before that
Which is why having all characters would be nice
cough cough DRAFTER
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I'll remind all that Supa's last theme split was literally good guys v bad guys, and so was the one before that
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@Barney
Ragnar as a ???, without any justification given. Fucking scum, ??? isn't even a role in mafia!
Cracked this case wide opne
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@warren42
I'm comfortable with Danielle as town probably, pie as town, whiteflame and speed as probables
I have the same town pile along with Water and lean town on Chris
So scum lies among drafter, Ragnar, and That1
Ragnar is typically much more active as scum, and That1 claimed, hence my vote on drafter
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@That1User
Well since Danielle outted you, might as well get your justification
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@Danielle
It's interesting that the logic is WP doesn't understand the redirector role and therefore he used the role, but at the same time understands the role well enough to use it correctly.
He didn't use it correctly
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@warren42
What's all this talk about croc being a bad result? We had the vig shoot the hated. That's the optimal scenario.
I was thinking the same in thing in terms of it saves us a lynch. Poor Croc tho
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Also drafter never denied it when I said I thought he was hinting that he has a lynch role
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@Danielle
Assuming Speed is town we can assume his reads on whiteflame and that1 are decent, but I'm not 100% sold on that1. I'd actually like to know why he thinks that1user is town cuz I don't town read him/her at all. I'm null and if anything find post #289 to be extremely weird.
I don't townread That1, I'm just more willing to lynch someone who hasn't claimed vs someone who has.
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@ILikePie5
Stop dodging.
I was pointing out the flaw in your logic
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@ILikePie5
I thought you said you knew her role, yet you still want to lynch her?
I thought you knew Water's role, yet you still want to lynch him?
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@drafterman
I don't understand the question
It seemed like you were saying that you have some type of lynch role
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@drafterman
The difference is, I can't be lynched today.
Is a moment of realization appropriate in response to this?
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I'm fine pressuring Danielle or warren I guess but I don't have huge scum reads on either of them
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@drafterman
But sub optimal plays are equivalent to random plays and are unpredictable; you can't account for them ahead of time.
So the solution is just to not account for them at all?
All you can do is expect that other players are going to play to the best of their ability.
So you're saying it was within the best of Water's ability to make the most optimal play?
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@That1User
Either you or drafter but drafter more since you claimed
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@drafterman
In any game the only reasonable expectation is that people play to their wincon in an optimal matter.
lol this is just blatantly false
Elminster, Supa, Water, Greyparrot, and most noobs are clear evidence of the opposite
Even some experienced players are evidence of that
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@drafterman
You and whiteflame keep looking for infallible strategies. They don't exist.
So the better alternative is to use strategies that have yet to work?
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@drafterman
I literally applied it just last game. I assumed he was scum rather than being dumb.
And I capitalized on that and won. So clearly that logic is not infallible
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Water has been playing long enough that we can stop with the "He's not scum, he's just stupid!" Excuses.
1. No one is calling him stupid
2. Assuming everyone plays well is literally how we lose. You'd never apply this logic to Supa and I'm pretty sure he's been playing for longer (sorry Supa)
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