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@That1User
It doesn't necessarily but it does give pretty good evidence to Drafter's Water is scum theory
Nope, because it assumes that WP would do the optimal play and that isn't true
Who do you think is scum given the evidence we have?
Scum is among drafter, you, warren, and Ragnar. Possibly Chris, whiteflame, or Danielle as well
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@That1User
Holy Hell you're rightVTL WaterPhoenix
lol Water not doing the optimal play does not equal Water being scum
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@Danielle
@warren42
@That1User
@WaterPhoenix
Activity pls
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@ILikePie5
It’s preemptive.
No reason to take unnecessary risks, you know I don't gambit lol
He’s not a noob. And it still doesn’t explain why he chose Croc
What whiteflame said
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@ILikePie5
If it gets people off your ass like it has?
You were literally the only one on me for that reason
Ya he’s scum. As a townie there was no incentive for him to choose me or Croc.
You say that assuming WP plays logically, and no offense to him but we both know he doesn't
What? He literally said the reason he chose my actions to be redirected was cause he thought I was scum, when clearly he didn’t.
He thought I was heavily lean town, and he never gave his read on you so you have no basis to assume that he didn't scumread you
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@ILikePie5
And how does speed know this
Probably the same way he knows lol
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@ILikePie5
To the contrary, you would need em to do that
Not when it puts him at risk of being lynched
No, I’m saying he was ordered by scum to redirect my actions.
That's begging the question, it assumes he's scum
Barring all of this, he behavior itself is scummy. He was null on you, not town.
And? That doesn't mean he can't redirect someone
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@ILikePie5
Yes if I remember correctly
Doubt it because I was scum last time and didn't get fake claims
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@ILikePie5
Care to share these secrets you’ve been hiding from us?
Nope, whiteflame knows and that's enough
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@ILikePie5
He had his scum buddies help him out, which I strongly believe is you. Either way his behavior says enough that he’s scum since he couldn’t have scum read me because he didn’t townread you.
So I as scum would forget to tell Water to not reveal that he's the redirector? What?
Besides that fact, again your argument assumes that Water is scum because he didn't waive. But he isn't familiar with the role so of course he didn't waive
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@ILikePie5
Supa is known to give fake claims.
Is he? He didn't in his last game
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@whiteflame
I know That1's role, so I'm fine with drafter
VTL Drafter
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@ILikePie5
Absolutely not, WP is the towniest here. Your whole argument assumes WP knows how to play the role but clearly he doesn't
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@Barney
@whiteflame
I think WP is town simply because he revealed that he was the redirector. I have no idea why he'd do that as scum
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@That1User
If you role claim now, then I can see if you're telling the truth
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@warren42
@MisterChris
Who do y'all want to pressure and if you don't know, can y'all pressure That1 with me
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@That1User
What role(s) did you dream for whiteflame?
Not gonna say that
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@warren42
This is OGI but speed was VERY adamant in live mafia on Friday night that dreamers work exactly like how he's describing, when I've actually never seen the version he's claiming. It makes me townread him
Lol precisely, I was wondering if anyone would pick up on that
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@That1User
1. MisterChris
2. Speedrace
3. Whiteflame
4. That1user
5. Danielle
6. iLikePie5
7. warren42 (replacing crystalynx)
8. drafterman (replacing Corey)
9. Ragnar (replacing seldiora)
10. WaterPhoenix
Pretty sure at least one scum is between MisterChris, drafterman, That1User, and Ragnar, maybe even a third-party
So VTL That1user since they're the scummiest
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@drafterman
I'm not claiming. We lynch speed and move on.
We lynch a townie and move on* FTFY
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Yeah why not mass character claim, justifications have all been terrible so far with the exception of Luna
VTL Draft
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↓NP↓ Role Claim
MisterChris ??? ???
Speedrace Dreamer Lucy Heartfilia from Fairy Tail
- whiteflame (likely inno)
Whiteflame ??? ???
That1user ??? Rias Gremory from High School DxD
Danielle ??? ???
iLikePie5 Vigilante Zero Two from DARLING in the FRANXX
- Speed
warren42 ??? ??? (replacing crystalynx)
drafterman ??? ??? (replacing Corey)
Ragnar ??? ??? (replacing seldiora)
- ???
WaterPhoenix Redirector ???
- iLikePie -> Croc
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Crocodile Hated Aqua from Konosuba
- N/A
Lunatic Vanilla Chizuru from Rent A Girlfriend
- N/A
Elminister Bodyguard Mai from Rascal Does Not Dream of a Bunny Girl Senpai
- ???
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@Barney
@WaterPhoenix
Also my justification is just as bad so I don't think that's a reason to be sus of pie
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1. MisterChris - Null
3. Whiteflame - town
4. That1user - null
5. Danielle - town
6. iLikePie5 - town
7. warren42 - null
8. drafterman - null
9. Ragnar - null
10. WaterPhoenix - town
So we should pressure That1, warren, drafter, or Ragnar
VTL That1
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@drafterman
Ok. that doesn't "solve" the bus driver argument. It just semi-absolves you if it is proven to be a redirector.
It does because I couldn't have known that Pie was targeting me originally. The whole point of his argument was that I bus drove myself knowing I would be targeted
Ignoring all your bus drive points since we know it's a redirector
No one is saying it was done knowing there was a vig. Also, no one has accused you directly of being a bus driver, just that there is a bus driver. This post hints at hidden knoweldge.
I never said someone said that, I was just arguing under the assumption that was true. And the accusation is that I am scum and scum has a bus driver. And what hidden knowledge?
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@ILikePie5
Your logic isn’t rocket science lol. Everyone here could be scum. It’s fluff aka useless logic
Doesn't mean it's an OMGUS
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@ILikePie5
Lol it’s exactly what you’re doing
OMGUSing is voting/sussing someone because they voted/sussed you, with no other logic behind it. So you're telling me that you being mafia with an extra killing role isn't an actual possibility? And that I somehow magically voted or sussed you?
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@ILikePie5
Also you could just be mafia with an extra killing role
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@ILikePie5
Unless someone wants to fess up that they redirected me in some way, my vote stands.
If it is a mafia redirector, I'm not incriminated
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@ILikePie5
I said that under the assumption that this is a redirector, not a bus driver. All of this assumes it's a bus driver, which I am very confident is wrong
Why would you get a notification that you were redirected if it was a bus driver? The bus driver isn't targeting you, they would've targeted me and Croc, so therefore it makes no sense for you to get a notification
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@ILikePie5
What makes you think anyone else didn’t receive those notifications? Half of town hasn’t even spoken yet.
When did I say I think no one else received those notifications?
You didn’t know a vigilante existed. It’s the last thing a bus driver would think of. Hell it’s probably the last think anyone would think of. If you were watched, tracked, copped, roleblocked, etc they would all be redirected to an unknown person (Croc) effectively making their role useless. No way for someone to catch you...unless it’s a vigilante and the shot kills someone redirected.
I said that under the assumption that this is a redirector, not a bus driver. All of this assumes it's a bus driver, which I am very confident is wrong
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@drafterman
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@MisterChris
There are easy ways to solve the bus driver argument. Firstly, allow me to remind everyone that if this is proven to be a redirector, and not a bus driver, then I am not incriminated because there is no way for a redirector to have known who Pie's original target was.
If anyone else targeted Croc or me and wasn't given a redirected notification, then it's impossible for it to be a bus driver.
Also, why would I bus drive with Croc as scum? That risks bringing any possible actions originally on him onto me, which only hurts me. The arg that I used a bus driver on myself therefore assumes that I knew I would be vig'd, but how would I know that as scum?
Plus even if I somehow did know I would be vig'd, why would I redirect that onto Croc knowing he would be an eventual mislynch? It makes no sense
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@Barney
Mikal claimed to see me typing in Discord due to some weird glitch, I denied it and said I hadn't been on Discord in like an hour or so, he thinks I was typing in scum chat, then he pastes in his role PM and Supa modkills him b/c he explicitly told him not to paste it, then people told me to claim because of the Discord stuff and because Mikal's PM said he was town, I refused to based on principle that using Discord stuff to scumread him isn't right, I continued to get pressured by Dani, whiteflame, That1, Pie and Chris, I character claim (Lucy Heartfilia) but don't role claim, everyone besides Dani gets off of me, two inactives get replaced by drafter and you, and yep that's pretty much it for last DP
This DP, I claimed dreamer and said that I believe whiteflame is town based on the potential roles that I got for him
Pie claimed vigilante and said he targeted me but that the kill was redirected to someone else, either Lunatic or Croc
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I have two projects due tonight and 4 hours to do them so I won't be on until tomorrow
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@ILikePie5
Supa literally said you were redirected :|
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@ILikePie5
Also mafia can't direct someone "off" of someone. If they redirected you, they wouldn't have known you were targeting me
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Justification is I left the Heartfilias to pursue my dreams
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