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I asked Drafter, he said that if you're targeted by a JK then you get a message saying so. Croc can confirm my results because he would've gotten a message saying he was RBd
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@Mharman
I claimed a minor PR this round to not reveal to mafia that a tracker exists. They think they're sitting pretty with just the cop and JK out of the way so it's in my favor to not claim my real role. But if I claim a vanilla then town lynches me because I already said that my character isn't a weakling. Hence, I'm forced to claim a minor PR.
And I've fake claimed as town multiple times before, pretty sure I did it last game too
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@oromagi
@Intelligence_06
This logic won't fool a top 5 debater. It is more of a causation that speed killed lunatic, at least more evident. There is zero evidence that there is a ninja at all.
From your position there isn't a Ninja; but I know there is.
Think about it. If there is a Watcher and Tracker, drafter gives Mafia a ninja which makes watcher and tracker basically vanillas in terms of balance. That just leaves cop + JK + reincarnator(?) which is much more balanced vs whatever scum has. JK + Cop + Watcher + Reincarnator? With just TWO scum? You'd be crazy to think that's balanced.
And again, how would I know Luna visited Croc if I wasn't really a tracker
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@oromagi
For me its down to Mharman vs Dudz.Mharman has a hard to buy character claimSupa has a hard to buy ROLE claimI notice Mharman was about to check out before Speed got outed but has suddenly intensified his inquistion.on the other handDudz was last to claim. TUF considered JAILKEEPER so close to DOC that he said that the COP and DOC were already out (meaning himself). At the time, I didn't believe TUF's ROLE claim but as I said, JK and COP seems like overkill.(my read that BLEEDER + REINCARNATOR was too much has already proved out)
I agree that Dudz is probably scum. I don't buy JK + Doc
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@Mharman
You didn't want to get CC'd? Why not make the claim in DP1 when you are at the highest risk of getting lynched? Why claim DP2?
I was never at risk of getting lynched and the whole point of this is to not tell scum my role which is why I didn't claim last DP (and I didn't know what I was gonna claim at that time). I claimed here because it would've been suspicious if I didn't claim when everyone else did
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@Intelligence_06
Mafia clearly has a Ninja so our results are worthless. Of course I visited Luna because he was my biggest scum read. And how else would I know he visited Croc?
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@Mharman
Because I already had enough sus on me by Luna that I needed something other than Vanilla to not get lynched. And no I can't really think of any other minor PRs where I didn't have the risk of not getting CCd
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@Mharman
Because I had already claimed that my character wasn't a weakling like skittlez or Danielle, so Mafia would know I was lying, but also town would know I was lying too.
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@Mharman
Mafia would visit Croc instead of me and chances would be high that I would catch them
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@Intelligence_06
Well, no matter what, lying about a role is definitely anti-town behavior. There is no reason to do it as town, but there is reason to do it as scum.
It's not when you're hiding status as a PR
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@oromagi
@Intelligence_06
I always lie about my role as a PR. And how else would I know who Luna visited?
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@Mharman
He was roleblocked. He doesn't have a result
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@Mharman
Warren ran a game with both a watcher, tracker, and cop. I think that Supa as doctor is more likely to be scum because a JK and Doc is crazy
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@Vader
Because I'm the last unclaimed PR. Mafia would then kill Croc thinking they can't be caught
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@Intelligence_06
Because I'm really Jules Winnfield. I'm a tracker
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@Mharman
Why does everyone say that lol. Lynching someone I think is town AND a power role will not help us catch scum
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@Mharman
Okkkkk...
I'll hop off of Luna then if you really think you can confirm him. I firmly believe Oro to be town though.
UNVOTE
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@Vader
That's basically what I said after you researched your characters. I say bruh too much nowadays I should stop lol
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@Vader
I've never in my life seen scum hammer an inactive against town consensus
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@Vader
But do you understand what I'm trying to tell you though?
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@Vader
But you said "I guess he's scum" on a thought? To me that makes no sense
"Welp I guess Supa is scum lol"
Because you make mistakes like that a lot. If I had actually fully scum read you then I would've voted you
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@Vader
Also, I hate implying the if I was scum then _____, because I think it's stupid, but if I were scum, I would've put the hammer on Danielle
That's what scum would say lol
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@Mharman
Luna more than Oro though lol. Oro really only asked for Croc to claim and everyone was doing that
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@Vader
Yes you were, saying that I am scum is manipulating people to believe what you believe, especially within 2 pages of the DP. You also make the bold assumption that mafia doesn't know theme split, and I am curious why you would think that? It is extremely fishy on your end
I said that it was possible that they didn't know the theme split. I never said for sure, it was only a thought.
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Claims against people
Oro - That he outed claims. While he did accidentally out Intel (who had encrypted his), he didn't out anyone else except himself and that was only at Luna's pressure.
That he has inside info about theme. This is objectively false. Anybody with half a brain can realize that their own character (NICK FURY OF ALL PEOPLE, who even I would know is played by SLJ) is played by the same actor as another person's character, especially with Oro being very media literate.
Me - That I tried to lynch someone based on theme. Again, not true. I never had a full scum read on Supa based on theme nor did I try to lynch him, I just thought it was weird how he didn't understand the connection both me and Oro made. He didn't look up the characters though, something that I had to do to understand, so how then was I gonna blame him?
Luna - That if mafia, he's a roleblocker. Well, duh.
He's pushing for a mass claim. Duh again. This is the one thing we really shouldn't be doing right now.
He outed Oro's character and tried to get his role. This is true, AND Luna knew that Oro is a likely PR based on skittlez char/role claim
Feel free to add on to this
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@Vader
What xD nothing I've done has encouraged claims besides pressuring Croc, but that would've happened anyway lol. Luna outed both himself and Oro so I don't see how char claims are on me?
You haven't given much a response to your whole theme fiasco besides "OMG what am I supposed to assume that Supa is media illiterate."
Everyone is saying that I tried to lynch you based on theme and that's not true. I dunno why tho
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@Mharman
Huh? Luna was the one role-hunting, not Oro?
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@Vader
Bruh the mafia chat is probably completely empty because town bickering is doing all the work for them. We have to come to a consensus if we're gonna actually get a lynch off. You gotta let me know if you understand what I'm saying because Luna will severely limit town if he's scum.
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@skittlez09
speedrace: top suspect rn for trying to blame ppl who dont know the theme
That was one time and I realized it was false right after...?
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@Vader
I think the biggest scum out of the holy trio of Luna Speed and Oro is oromagi. I think that oromagis reliance on theme analysis to justify lynches and the assumption of jumping to conclusions is inherently scummy in my opinion. While I do think oromagi is somewhat correct, the bickering for pages on pages disinteresting town is inherently a FoS, I just feel Oromagi’s tunneling is rubbing me the wrong way. They aren’t using strategies they like to use and going against their norm, which makes me believe that Oromagi is scum.
Oro hasn't tunneled. In fact Lunatic self-admitted to tunneling lol. Oro has an FOS on Luna but still has kept his options open. Besides that, Nick Fury if anything is going to be a town character, I mean it's Nick Fury bruh. You're working against your own team by trying to lynch Oro.
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@Vader
@Crocodile
I do have my FoS on Lunatic without a doubt. I remember him saying to me in my first game ever that keeping town disinterested and drawing attention away is key to winning as mafia. I think he is somewhat doing that, but nothing he’s saying is inherently anti town to me to the point where I can go through
Remember that he claimed jailkeeper/Frozone. If Lunatic is mafia, he is a guaranteed roleblocker. Combine that with his scummy behavior + outing of claims + push for a mass claim, I think we should lynch him.
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