Speedrace

Speed jumps to the conclusion that scum doesn’t know the theme and tries to push a lynch off that in general.

I do have my FoS on Lunatic without a doubt. I remember him saying to me in my first game ever that keeping town disinterested and drawing attention away is key to winning as mafia. I think he is somewhat doing that, but nothing he’s saying is inherently anti town to me to the point where I can go through

I never said me roleblocking someone is proof that I am a jailkeeper though, just that I can prove my role. This same issue would have come up regardless of when I claimed anyway, which is another reason I don't care about claiming, it seems better used to narrow down scum with POE now that the cop is out anyway. If your voting me because you think I am a roleblocker and just dismissing that there could ever be a real Lunatic Jailkeeper again because he fake claimed it in one live mafia game, then you are being pretty ridiculous. 

Broh how did u do the half-line quotation block thing

How often are you assuming there isn't a protection role in mafia? You can't ignore that. If you think I am fake claiming that's a huge risk that I won't be CC'ed or that my results won't end up in a 1 v 1 that result in my inevitable town gain. Not to mention the possibility of being caught lying against other trackers and wacthers which is LITERALLY what happened in that live mafia game that you referenced where I should have been lynched. Literally all you have to do is be smarter than the town in that game to win, there was two big points that should have resulted in my death in that game that town neglected to look into. That is much easier to do as scum in a time limited live mafia game then a full fledged forum game.

If you are scum, what you are trying to do here is clever however poorly executed. Assuming I would waive the jailkeep suggests that you have some role to counter jailkeep, maybe a roleblock of your own so if I say I was roleblocked you can be like "see look told you he would just waive it and claim to protect someone". Btw if I waive it that would only be sus in a lylo situation. Since if I do that before all it would result in is a 1 v 1 for town and mafia which ultimately benefits the town. No as I stated before, the only motive someone would have to lynch me today before I can prove myself is id they were mafia and know I'm not lying lol. Because now scum has to deal with deciding to night kill, block me (if they have one) and or kill croc.

You never explained you scum read on me, thus I am left to assume it's omgus. And I can 100% prove my claim why wouldn't I be able to lol?

Mafiawiki:

" it's fairly common for Mafia to claim to be a Jailkeeper when they're actually a Roleblocker; this is hard to disprove without a Role Cop and makes the role sound more townsided."

The fact that you are instantly dismissing me is scummy af btw lol. I can easily prove my role (but that isn't ideal for mafia), lynching me would be better for them. Save them from having to night kill the jailer, which subsequently looks bad for you and oro. Tsk tsk speed, gonna have to try harder than that. The win/win here is that even if by some miracle you can mislynch me, if town is competent past day phase 1 and looks into the Versus interactions here, you are likely to be looked into pretty closely unless you got some rock solid fake claim.

BTW when I claiemd jallkeeper in that liev mafia game, it was a huge risk that shouldn't have worked out for multiple reasons, and I fully expected to lose that game from the gambit. It was a miracle of god I wasn't counterclaimed, and the watcher results on max were dismissed. But to dismiss the possibility that there is a protective role entirely because of that instance is pretty ridiculous. I welcome any potential counter claims. 

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Because you said that the information was best out in DP2, meaning you were suggesting lynching someone without getting a claim from them which makes no sense.

Those posts are the evidence of you implying he was dumb by shaming him lol. You trying to spin it as not shaming him is silly when you are literally saying you are in the same sentence lol.

Except you dropped your suspicion on him even after spoon feeding the information to him, which should have made you more suspicious of him. The fact that you are still defending the idea that not knowing the theme = scum shows that you should still think it was a scum tell. The point is, that initial "supa is scum" post was contrived af to show off that you had information that others didn't as a hope to town tell yourself. Common scum tell, reminds me of how I caught bearman in naruto when he wouldn't directly admit he did something scummy lol.

Then welp? So it's just a bruh moment? Then why are you still defending the initial idea that using the information would have helped you catch scum at some point? lol

Regardless it's still ironic the two people I scum read are heavily OMGUSing, especially after one of them ranted on me for "OMGUSing" in naruto mafia recently lol. 

You suggested the ideal situation would be for this information to come out dp2 post flip though, so obviously a flaw in the logic if we used it dp1 to lynch scum lol.

Post 35 and 37 heavily imply that you are shaming him for his not knowing (basically calling him dumb), right after you suggested it was scummy of him not to know the theme in post 22 lol. 

If you are speling it out for him that way, do you think mafia is also too dumb to not figure it out? I guess in some apeball scenario where croc and skittlez are scum maybe that makes sense...

Which means you were originally saying you thought it would be ideal to lynch someone before they could claim which makes even less sense if your town. lol

Don't know what you you mean with the lazy part, but I find it ironic that you town read oro for being knowledgable, and oro thinks you town read him for being bad at scum.

afro samurai (about which I know nothing)

whiplash@Turbo (about which I know nothing)

frank tenpenny (not from a movie but from Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas)

mace windu, of course although that's covered

The POE is probably worth it more at this point since the cop is out. Also why do you think oro is town?

Unlike you, he has picked up on the fact that I suck at playing scum.

There cases my rest. Btw interesting you came to defend him claiming despite me saying I have pote goal incriminating information aboutnhos post 6. Do you not want him to claim for some reason?

I think he made the rule after I initialized my entire PM iwwt style.

I have googled my character, but you realize coming to a conclusion about badassery is pretty relative. I think my character is BAMF personally but he is an animated character in a disney cartoon, so I am not sure if that brings it down a notch lol.

Exactly, so why would you think this "sacred cow of information" wouldn't come out until after a flip in dp2? Also assuming you would use this logic to lynch someone, as you are implying we should have before supa "fvcked it up" then it would have been obvious at the point said person was lynched...

Cuz you just got done trying to make the point that he was dumb for not getting it, manipulating him into outting his guess of the theme. What did you expect from him? Also it wasn't his character that drove that conclusion, oro asked if he had a moment of recognition and you rold him to look up the character remember? Why do that if you thought not knowing the theme would help you get a lynch? 

So... you made him seem like an idiot for not having information that everyone else also didn't have? Also this is a bold faced lie, because you told him to look up the character. Why do that then immediately shame him for doing it and putting two and two together?

You still maintain that we could have used this information to catch scum on. Supa didn't know the theme until it was handfisted down his throat, so naturally that should make him look suspicious to you under the philosophy that mafia not knowing the theme = suspicious, but you never mentioned it again. Yet you still defend to me your original idea that it is scummy for someone not to know the theme. 

This shows hypocrisy in the idea that the theme wouldn't have been revealed until dp2.

Maybe you did put two and two together. Or maybe it was inside info, hard to know exactly. Current theory is scum team is you and oro, or smaller chance of it being oro/cookie, but I need oro to answer my question first.

Im not sure if I've seen my movie, and if I have I don't remember if the character was BAMF, but the pic looks like he kind of is.

But you would assume the person lynched dp1 would have claimed first before being lynched right? You were insinuating supa was scum in post 22 for not knowing the theme then acted all incredulous after he realized what it was. Then when supa asks what the theme is you drop it and make it seem like a "bruh" moment. Is supa scummy or not for not knowing the theme? You gave him a slight scum for not pressuring croc, but didn't mention the thing that this entire conversation was spurred off of lol.

By hurt town, I mean used said information of them not knowing the theme against them. Speaking of it seems interesting how several people just picked that up from their own PM, it almost seems more likely that SLJ being the theme was insinde knowledge.

That would assume we did nothing day phase 1 and didn't pressure anyone lol.

Or we could have hurt town with it as in crocs case lol. TBH I didn't know the theme was SLJ related immediately from my character until you guys mentioned it and I researched my character and realized they were SLJ related. 

Why? Alsio how long did you expect that would last? I mean we would have to push for claims eventually.

What's the harm of it?

Just seems like a caartoonish bad guy reaction "Of course we bad guys, uh I mean us townies, *wink wink* know the theme! Shame on anyone who doesn't know it!"

I just think its a bit silly of him to pretend that it wouldn't come to light, and thus suspicious.

It is not a slj vs non slj split. It is all slj.