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@MisterChris
The janitor role can prevent flips
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@Vader
It doesn't mean you should lynch them either
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@TNBinc
I don't have to conform to what everyone else wants lol
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@Vader
Croc already revealed everything, nothing to pressure him for
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@MisterChris
We lose numbers and approach a mafia victory faster
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@MisterChris
I don't see how it helps town if we think that he is town
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@SirAnonymous
I remember that story
Also, if you think Croc is town, you shouldn't vote him. There not being downsides to lynching him didn't justify lynching someone we think is town
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@Lunatic
That doesn't explain why you would town read him. You basically said his role is useless to both sides. How does that make him town?
Because I don't think Pie would give that role to scum and I don't think he's fake claiming
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@Lunatic
Knowing which roles are in the game is a huge benefit for mafia.
Huge is a gross overstatement. It's really not lol. Mafia goes "oh there's a doctor in the game" So? It's not like they know who the doctor is so they can kill them. Voyeur only works on visiting roles, then only ones visiting your target, and it's only 1x. Completely useless to Mafia. If this is a role madness game then it makes sense has a filler power role but Pie would be out of his mind to give this to mafia
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@Lunatic
I am not opposed to lynching croc again for the earlier reasons, and because speed makes a good point about his results being potentially worse for town (though he town reads croc). Croc's role isn't useful to town, and frankly makes more sense as a scum role.
I disagree, all giving that to mafia would do is possibly tell them that some role exists, but not who it is, and only once lol. I really doubt this is a mafia claiming his real role
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@Vader
I think he is lying and he is actually a role cop
Why?
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I once loved a girl named Amy
And then realized I can't love
And then Amy hated me
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@Lunatic
@Mharman
@MisterChris
@SirAnonymous
@Crocodile
Voyeur, for those who may have forgotten, tells what actions were performed on a player, but not who performed them. This is useless because it works as almost a role cop that finds roles that are in the game, but not who those roles are. Croc outing any voyeur results would probably be a detriment to town (what if someone docs his target?) unless they're explicitly a role that only mafia has, but even then, I don't see how it helps at all. I don't think Croc should say his results
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I think that we should no lynch. Between Mharman showing up (that was a surprise) and Croc's claim, I don't have any scum reads
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Sorry I was busy and then had to catch up
UNVOTE
UNVOTE
1x voyeur is completely useless for mafia and I don't think that it's a fake claim
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I agree with Croc being a policy lynch if another one doesn't present itself
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@SirAnonymous
Oh, come on! That was a great ending.
xD
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I assumed good v bad generals meant generals who did their job well (aka won lots of battles) vs those who didn't
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@Lunatic
I think that epic win me and you had made up for those two losses lol
Hahaha I'll take it
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@MisterChris
He had identical PM structure in his last game
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@SirAnonymous
I don't think it means much. For all we know, he could have just been to lazy to write the "the".
Fair
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@MisterChris
"win with the town vs win with town" has the exact same meaning semantically. Not sure why Oro had multiple versions of the statement in the first place
Because "win with the town" is what is in the town PMs (at least that's what is in mine, Supa's, and I assume Oro's)
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@MisterChris
Oh no, I meant that Pie claimed a clear antagonist from the start despite being a mafia lol
Oh yeah lol
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@MisterChris
Pie did it last game so that makes me wonder, though.
Did what, gave town pm structure?
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@MisterChris
That may be precisely the sort of reasoning he is counting on you having. Speed is quite experienced from my understanding and knows admitting Confederate wouldn't be a huge scum tell. That said I don't want to jump to hasty conclusions so I'm going to wait and see what the others say
I'd only claim confederate as scum if I knew for a fact that Union v Conf isn't the theme (AKA I can tell from fellow scum PMs that it's not the theme or the mod tells the scum team outright what the theme is)
Otherwise I'd either claim union or try to wait it out to see if anyone else claims confederate
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Also just to point it out, not sure we should insta town read oro or Supa from the PM gambit because it's likely that scum got town PM structure. Does anyone know if Pie does that?
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@SirAnonymous
Hahaha, funnily enough I just lost two games as scum for the first time in ages (live mafia but mafia nonetheless) on Friday
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@oromagi
@MisterChris
I am part of the confederate and I win with the town.
Although, everyone who's not an idiot is gonna say they win with the town lol
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@Lunatic
@SirAnonymous
omg im so happy your playing btw. I'll try to suppress my excitement in the future, but you were one of the better mafia players and our community took a hit when you left.
Super happy as well
As for that "good town" debate, I really don't think that there are good town in the sense of win rates or scumhunting rates (I haven't counted but I don't think mine is all that hot lol) but I think good town is defined by being active and being logical
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@SirAnonymous
The activity was what made it so great. Everyone played their hearts out, drafterman especially so. That game really showcased his skills. The bus in DP1 earned him and warren town cred, and the gambit in DP3 worked perfectly at forcing my hand to side with them. It's a pity he doesn't play here anymore.
It really is. Do you ever plan to hop back on
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