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@Castin
Jesus tells the woman taken in adultery to "go and sin no more."
So here we can assume that, had Jesus not intervened this poor woman would have ben stone to death?
Odd then that the bible claims that the Jews were not allowed to execute anyone?
John 18:31ESV Pilate said to them, "Take him yourselves and judge him by your own law." The Jews said to him, "It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death." NIV Pilate said, "Take him yourselves and judge him by your own law." "But we have no right to execute anyone," they objected.
Not to mention that the Jews had already tried to kill Jesus a few times themselves for blasphemy before his execution by the Romans.
and there are James and Stephen that were killed by the Jews.
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@IlDiavolo
Does it matter if there exist a "God"?
Now that mankind is better educated than the ancients D , and that many consider the "gods" to have originated somewhere "out there" and also the possibility that "they " gave humans a push along the evolutionary path , I should imagine that there are those that consider that it matters greatly to those that take the theory seriously. Don't you my mate?
I have said many times on this forum that if we were to superimpose some of todays sciences over the extraordinary ( unbelievable) events we read about in the bible I am sure it would change the views of many considerably as would a change of just two words in the whole of the scriptures. Just my own opinion, of course.
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@LucyStarfire
Well I know the Egyptians were big on pussies or were big pussies?I am not any Egyptian.
I don't think even you know who you are most the time. So maybe its you that needs some education, of your own persona. Pick one anyone, you have a massive line up to pick from, BK.
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@LucyStarfire
Meowism !? what is it, worship of felines?I suggest you educate yourself if you are interested. Or read my profile description or my post on Meow commandments.
Well I know the Egyptians were big on pussies or were big pussies? I seem to get that the wrong way about sometimes. Didn't they used to stuff and mount dead cats in their temples or bury themselves among them?
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@LucyStarfire
Meowism
Meowism !? what is it, worship of felines?
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@LucyStarfire
Can you tell me what was " unworthy" about asking for the life of your child?Not all prayers are granted. Ask God to explain it to you.
Why should I have to ask god for an explanation? You have spoken on gods behalf few times now why the change in habit? Why would my question be worthy of a response from god while a mother and father praying for the life of their beloved child and devout Christens - deemed to be unworthy?
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@LucyStarfire
There are some cases where prayer fails, but it is always due to the one who is praying being unworthy of what he is asking for.
I see the point I was making at post #9 to n8nrgim has gone right over you head too.
regardless. Can you tell me what was " unworthy" about asking for the life of your child? Interesting that Pastor Bill was the only one to gain anything ( "$63,000 in unforeseen expenses")from this prayer session and the begging and pleading form the child's parents:
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@n8nrgim
but that's the only real argument you have. it's plausible to stay a skeptic, even if it's in my opinion weak.
Ok lets look at the first thing that leapt from the page to me:
🩺 1. Healing of Marie Simon-Pierre (Pope John Paul II’s cause)
- Year: 2005
- Condition: Advanced Parkinson’s disease
- Miracle: After praying for Pope John Paul II’s intercession shortly after his death,
🩺 2. Healing of Floribeth Mora Diaz (John Paul II’s canonization)
- Year: 2011
- Condition: Inoperable brain aneurysm
- Miracle: From Costa Rica, she prayed for John Paul II’s intercession
🩺 3. Healing of a newborn (Mother Teresa’s cause)
- Case: A tribal woman in India gave birth to a child with multiple brain abnormalities.
- Miracle: The child recovered suddenly after the family prayed to St. Teresa of Calcutta.
- Significance: Used for her canonization in 2016.
🩺 4. Healing of a Brazilian man (Fulton Sheen’s cause)
- Year: 2010
- Condition: Stillborn baby, no heartbeat for 61 minutes
- Miracle: After prayers for the intercession of Archbishop Fulton Sheen,
🩺 5. Healing of a woman with tuberculosis (St. André Bessette)
- Year: Early 20th century
- Condition: Tuberculosis of the spine (Pott’s disease)
- Miracle: The woman claimed to have been healed instantly after praying to Brother André and touching a relic.
Do you not notice anything yourself in your own examples that should cast serious doubt on those( YOUR )claims? No? well here's a clue. compare your claims to this poor desperate couple: keeping in mind that there are over100 verses preaching the importance of payer;
“the parents believe healing comes from God and that they never expected their daughter to die as they prayed for her and summoned others to do the same”.A central Wisconsin couple who prayed rather than seeking medical care for their 11-year-old dying daughter were sentenced to six months in jail and 10 years probation in the girl's death. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/07/couple-sentenced-daughter-prayer-death
December 14 2019.
Church attempts resurrection of a dead two year old child, through Prayer
“We have a precedent” said Pastor Bill, “Jesus raised the dead”.
He said “there was no time limit on how much longer the prayers and singing would continue, but added that the child remained at the county coroner's office”.
Interesting that Jesus also commanded any one that followed him to:
“Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give”. Matthew 10:7-8 .
They appear to have done everything by the book too:
“'Since that night, and at the continued request of the Heiligenthal family, Bethel Church has hosted prayer and worship gatherings which consist of singing and prayer,' the church said in a statement”.
Interesting it is that the bible informs its adherents to continue praying! And to “never give up”. Luke 18.
The baby’s funeral was eventually held December22.
What happened here ? “Ye of little faith”or the wrong faith?
It appears that the only thing “raised” during this whole sad sorry saga was $62,000 (“unforeseen expenses "don't you know) via a GoFundMe page. I can hear Pastor Bill sermonising Acts 2:45 as I write.
Members of the Followers of Christ Church whose members rely on prayer and had prayed for their sick newborn baby instead of taking her to the hospital are charged with murder. “The infant died just hours after she was born”. This couple was expecting twins, one had already died at birth and they prayed to god and Jesus that the other would survive. It didn’t.
“Dale and Shannon HIckman, were convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to six years in prison for the death of their newborn infant.”
In all of three cases (and many more) every single religious grieving parent was denied what they asked for in their payers.
I found it interesting too that the only thing that this Pastor and his church managed to "raise" was the $63,000 that came on the backs of these unfortunate dead children and their grieving parents.
Do you not se my point
My guess is that you will completely miss the bleedin' obvious!
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@n8nrgim
3. Healing of a newborn (Mother Teresa’s cause)
- Case: A tribal woman in India gave birth to a child with multiple brain abnormalities.
- Miracle: The child recovered suddenly after the family prayed to St. Teresa of Calcutta.
- Significance: Used for her canonization in 2016.
Can you expand on this? What were the "abnormalities"?
What was Mother Teresa's role in the so called "miracle"?
What are the requirements for something to be announced and proclaimed as a "miracle?
What evidence did the RC Church have and/or consult for proof of the so called Miracle"?
I can only find this:
2021
Mother Teresa's first miracle has officially been recognized for more than a decade. In 1998, one year after her death, her intercession reportedly cured an Indian woman of a stomach tumor. TIME reported the story of Monica Besra and her tumor in 2001
BUT! her husband doesn't seem to have agreed at all saying: that he believed that "medicine had cured his wife, not divine intervention".
WHAT'S MOTHER TERESA GOT TO DO WITH IT?
Monica sys she's proof of a miracle by the late Nun the late nun; but her husband begs to differ.
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@TheGreatSunGod
hoe about a mgic prayer to stop tose murdering rapist butchers of HAMAS?
I am not going to justify Hamas, but just stop Israel from doing more harm to Palestinians. Even if Hamas was bad, it wouldn't make what Israel does right.
one doesn't put out only half the fire my mate
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@TheGreatSunGod
Magic prayer to stop Israel
hoe about a mgic prayer to stop tose murdering rapist butchers of HAMAS?
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@IlDiavolo
I think this book will be of great interest to you D.
Wars of Gods and Men
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@fauxlaw
And genesis says we / mankind was created to dig the land ( slaves). The Sumerians, whose version of the the creation of man predates the bible by thousands of years have it that we were created to mine gold and other precious metals. I suppose digging and mining amount to the same thing.And once again [still] incomplete reading by you. Cherry-picking.
"Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground. Genesis 2;5
So no crops to sow or dig up but says: "there is no man to dig the land". What was he digging for? maybe it was for just as the Sumerians and Genesis say:
Genesis 2:11-12 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
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@fauxlaw
Isaiah tells us we are created for the glory of God.
And genesis says we / mankind was created to dig the land ( slaves). The Sumerians, whose version of the the creation of man predates the bible by thousands of years have it that we were created to mine gold and other precious metals. I suppose digging and mining amount to the same thing.
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@fauxlaw
it is the nature of gods to create - which is better said to organize order out of chaos, or useful energy and material out of the void.Citation:Genesis 1: 1"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."Satisfied?
No.
It doesn't say why god creating anything at all in the first place.
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@fauxlaw
Nope. I wrote at #29 Stephen wrote: "But your bible does. Are you telling us that you don't preach, teach and sermonise from the bible"?Why would you cite sungod's #9 if you opposed it? Nope, youxagree with it.
Post #9 wasn't writen by me.
And what was his reply when you asked him why he created anythingThat it is the nature of gods to create - which is better said to organize order out of chaos, or useful energy and material out of the voidAnd you can cite that from the bible can you?How and why should I cite personal experience from the Bible? It's my experience, not any of those writers. Get it?
I see, so that is a NO, then. There is nothing that you can cite from the bible that supports your claim.
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@zedvictor4
I'm supposed to be watching the Grandson play football today.Is there any supposed about it?Sounds like it's already been agreed for you.
We lost 3-1
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@fauxlaw
Be nice to see where I have "cited" anything or claimed anything concerning Revelation on this thread. So, when you are ready.Your post #29
Nope. I wrote at #29 Stephen wrote: "But your bible does. Are you telling us that you don't preach, teach and sermonise from the bible"?
And what was his reply when you asked him why he created anythingThat it is the nature of gods to create - which is better said to organize order out of chaos, or useful energy and material out of the void
And you can cite that from the bible can you?
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@TheGreatSunGod
Would that be the Aten?Aten is a Sun god who makes up the disk of the Sun.Well, Sun God goes by many names, but they all point to worship of Sun, Stars and fire.
No. Just the sun. Ra was also a sun god.
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@zedvictor4
Have a lovely day, though Mr Sun will be hiding for most of it.
It will do my Bonsai the world of good.
As Paul McCartney once sang . "♬ The next time you see rain clouds ♬ , don't complain ♬ it rains for you and me"♬ .... and my trees.
have a nice day Vic. I'm supposed to be watching the Grandson play football today.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Praise the Sun!
Would that be the Aten?
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@fauxlaw
For example, the citation many make, including you, of "an hundred and forty and four thousand" of "servants of God" [revelation 7: 4 - 8 and Rev. 14: 1, 3-5] who are claimed to be the total count of those who will be favored to live with God in heaven.
Be nice to see where I have "cited" anything or claimed anything concerning Revelation on this thread. So, when you are ready.
I havre a means to find the truth: I ask. I ask God.
That's interesting. And what was his reply when you asked him why he created anything at all in the first place?
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@fauxlaw
TheGreatSunGod wrote: Only 144,400 survive.Fauxlaw the High Priest wrote: You want to cite that?Why? Can't you cite it?Why should I cite that which I do not claim?
But your bible does. Are you telling us that you don't preach, teach and sermonise from the bible?
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@zedvictor4
Mrs Zed is soppier than me.[..........................................]Eggs is just naturally prepacked foodstuff, a bit like a tin of beans.
I put Mrs Stephen off eggs when we first met. I reminded her that an egg was a chickens period. Now she askes me do I want period on toast or boiled period for breakfast .
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@fauxlaw
TheGreatSunGod wrote: Only 144,400 survive.Fauxlaw the High Priest wrote: You want to cite that?
Why? Can't you cite it?
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@fauxlaw
And, if my memory serves me correctly you tell us that you are a Rabbi. strange you appear to have missed out your first language: Hebrew.Your memory serves poorly. I am not Jewish, and not a Rabbi, and Hebrew is not my first language.Give me a break. I was trying to remember from some time ago, nearly 4 years!. I apologise. I remember now, your not a Rabbi you are in fact a " Ordained High Priest" aren't you? Latter Day Saints? And an author of sorts.
Yes, here we are:
auxlaw wrote: Relative to the Priesthood I hold, it is not a matter of what I consider. I am an ordained High Priest.And? Your point?
The point was to correct my initial comment as I had misremembered your actual calling.
"Boyo"? That's a Welsh term. Scottish equivalent being - Laddie.And? Your point?
Just a factual observation being myself an Englishman.
So, back to what I was saying.
You have claimed to have read the bible "cover to cover in four languages." but for some reason hadn't ever read "anywhere that god raised Jesus after three days". Extremely odd thing to say considering that you are an "Ordained High priest". Here>> https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6136-alcohol?page=2&post_number=36
So I have shown you just a few references that you must have missed after having "read the bible cover to cover in four different languages".
Romans 4:24 King James Version. But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
1 Peter 1:21 King James Version. Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Acts 2:31-32 King James Version. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Acts 3:15 King James Version. And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
Ephesians 1:20 King James Version. Which He wrought in Christ, when He raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Acts 5:30 King James Version. The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Acts 10:40 King James Version. Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
fauxlaw,wrote @ Shila Words mean things, but not those that people insert or delete on their own.
Indeed, you appear to have deleted a few (from your memory) yourself.
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@fauxlaw
And, if my memory serves me correctly you tell us that you are a Rabbi. strange you appear to have missed out your first language: Hebrew.Your memory serves poorly. I am not Jewish, and not a Rabbi, and Hebrew is not my first language.
Give me a break. I was trying to remember from some time ago, nearly 4 years!. I apologise. I remember now, your not a Rabbi you are in fact a " Ordained High Priest" aren't you? Latter Day Saints? And an author of sorts.
Yes, here we are:
fauxlaw wrote: Relative to the Priesthood I hold, it is not a matter of what I consider. I am an ordained High Priest.
I am an American of European heritage [Scotland and France]. Don't know where you get that, but it was not from me, boyo.
"Boyo"? That's a Welsh term. Scottish equivalent being - Laddie.
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@fauxlaw
Stephen, who still has me blocked from his own hang-up with me from three yeas ago.
I have unblocked you .
He resurrected Jesus and took him to heaven.Show me. Demonstrate the verse[s] from the Bible that tell us God was the initiator, the maker of Christ's resurrection.[.................] I do riot read such, and I've read the Bible cover to cover in four languages. .......................I've read the Bible in English, French, Greek and Italian
See above.#62
And, if my memory serves me correctly you tell us that you are a Rabbi. strange you appear to have missed out your first language: Hebrew.
Indeed even your selective memory is very poor.
SO, would you like me to put up the posts where YOU blocked me first but still cowardly continued to post on, and reply to, my comments without affording me the opportunity to respond to you direct!? I called you out on your cowardly practice at the time.
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@fauxlaw
fauxlaw,wrote @ Shila Demonstrate the verse[s] from the Bible that tell us God was the initiator, the maker of Christ's resurrection.People have this notion that nothing happens but that God made out happen. I do riot read such, and I've read the Bible cover to cover in four languages.
Did you try reading it in English? :
Romans 4:24 King James Version. But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
1 Peter 1:21 King James Version. Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Acts 2:31-32 King James Version. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Acts 3:15 King James Version. And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
Ephesians 1:20 King James Version. Which He wrought in Christ, when He raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Acts 5:30 King James Version. The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Acts 10:40 King James Version. Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
fauxlaw,wrote @ Shila Words mean things, but not those that people insert or delete on their own.
Well consider that you have told us that you have read the bible "cover to cover in four different languages you appear to have deleted from your memory the parts where the BIBLE tells us that is was God raised Jesus from the dead.
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@fauxlaw
@Shila
fauxlaw,wrote @ Shila .Demonstrate the verse[s] from the Bible that tell us God was the initiator, the maker of Christ's resurrection.
fauxlaw, why don't you demonstrate for us that Jesus died on the cross.
fauxlaw,wrote @ Demonstrate the verse[s] from the Bible that tell us God was the initiator, the maker of Christ's resurrection.People have this notion that nothing happens but that God made out happen. I do riot read such, and I've read the Bible cover to cover in four languages.
Did you try reading it in English:
Romans 4:24 King James Version. But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
1 Peter 1:21 King James Version. Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Acts 2:31-32 King James Version. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Acts 3:15 King James Version. And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
Ephesians 1:20 King James Version. Which He wrought in Christ, when He raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Acts 5:30 King James Version. The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Acts 10:40 King James Version. Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
fauxlaw,wrote @ Shila Words mean things, but not those that people insert or delete on their own.
Well consider that you have told us that you have read the bible "cover to cover in four different languages you appear to have deleted from your memory the parts where the BIBLE tells us that is was God raised Jesus from the dead.
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@Shila
No. The Reverend had an hard time accepting that no one fkn cared if or not the Church appoints female priests or bishops.His sermons where boring and of no interest to the few that remain here.You'd think he'd be explaining and discussing the bible and not spending his time preaching to us how the Catholic church goes about its business.He must have forget that his actual job i.e. his commission, was to spread the word about the teachings of Jesus.AS IN:The Great Commission.Matthew 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”Why hasn’t he asked for help from people like you?
😂Don't make laugh- I have tooth ache. Why doesn't ask his god ? would be a better question.
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@zedvictor4
@fauxlawThough I think that the Adam and Eve story, was as much to do with developing social attitudes towards human sexuality, as it was about the early biological evolution of the species...Though I would suggest that that the two emerging social dilemmas were always going to be inextricably linked.
Hit the crossbar with that Vic. This is why the book of Enoch was banned from the bible. It tells of the rape of the "Daughters of men" committed by "gods" own sons. And the bible eludes to this but with usual tweaks .
Genesis 6:2-5
King James Version
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Only they didn't take them as wives willingly. They were forced to take them as wives, because they had - according to "god" in Enoch, they had "defiled themselves" and were never allowed to return to the "heavenly realm" that they had descended from.
But as it is with the bible, it, the so called "fall of man" was down to one single earthly woman being a slapper.
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@zedvictor4
I am of the opinion, that an Interventionist Super-Intelligence (If one should exist), is far more sensible than you give it credit for.
It is, Vic.
I have said quite a few times here that if we were to change just two words in the bible, a totally different story emerges and alter our view of the bible story. As I also have said many times too that if we were to superimpose some of todays sciences over some of the more weird unbelievable episodes as they appear to us in the bible stories, then they may not appear so weird nor so unbelievable.
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@zedvictor4
No reason why Jesus wouldn't be a real character, set in a mythical narrative.
I have always maintained the Jesus was probably real enough but there is no getting away from it, Christianity has cloaked him in myth.
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@Shila
Sunday School day 8. Where is it?He replied. “A lot of people have a hard time reconciling the fact that the Church does not appoint female priests or bishops.”… or Sunday school teachers.
No. The Reverend had an hard time accepting that no one fkn cared if or not the Church appoints female priests or bishops.
His sermons where boring and of no interest to the few that remain here.
You'd think he'd be explaining and discussing the bible and not spending his time preaching to us how the Catholic church goes about its business.
He must have forget that his actual job i.e. his commission, was to spread the word about the teachings of Jesus.
AS IN:
The Great Commission.
Matthew 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
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@Shila
The trinity describes three.
No. Its Christians that describe one god as three. As explained above HERE>> #9
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@Best.Korea
It is impossible to believe in one God or consider God as the only source of truth.
It is when it is recognised that the bible itself speaks of gods plural multiple time and Christians deny it. and that even the biblical god tells his own followers " do not revile the gods or princes and kings" of other nations.
Who was the biblical god sitting amongst when the bible speaks of him " sitting among the council of gods"?
Who is the biblical god speaking of when he states "they have become gods like us"?
Didn't the god of the Bible tell Moses that he is also a god?
Christians attempt to get around this BIBLICAL fact by inventing the so called "trinity".
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@CatholicApologetics
I'm currently going through a lot.
Have you tried Prayer, Reverend?
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@zedvictor4
Muslims invented science.Nah Yas.Muslims weren't invented until the 7th century CE.
But Muslims did, make a giant leap in the area of literature, reading and writing when during their many rampaging conquests across Europe and up to the Caucuses they destroyed every printing press that they laid eyes on...... during the "Golden age of Islam,"
"Golden age of Islam," eh.
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@Yassine
No. It [Evolution] is just a theory. It remains in the realms of theory and not "mythology".- The same way Astrology is just a theory of the Cosmos. Both are still mythology, still both are a bunch of myths.
No. Stop being stupid because you have been exposed for being stupid too many times already.
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@Yassine
- The Evolutionation Theory is mythology,
No. Its just a theory. It remains in the realms of theory and not "mythology".
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@tigerlord
But I am behaving more like preacher now a daysInner peace.
😂 Will that be because you have recovered from and got through that "inner Jihad " I keep hearing about.
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@tigerlord
so that on the day of judgement no one can say that, he or she did not get the message
That's the problem with the Islamist. He doesn't wait for god and his day of Judgment.
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@sadolite
I would just want to kill everyone if I lived under Islamic rule.
Well that, it appears, is just what Islamists wish to do under Islamic rule.
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@Shila
ah , yesJesus did not use AI. He went by the old Bible and quoted from it.Unlike that clown vi_777 that cannot answer a simple yes or no question using his own brain power.He thinks religion will be superior if generated by AI. But that would make religion beyond his grasp.
Well then he is thicker than I thought. Every question I put to the clown he comes back with reams of shite from AI. I played along for a while on this thread > https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12368-i-hate-all-muslims-except-the-talibans?page=5&post_number=129 but when it/he persistently replies with to reams and reams of crap to answer a simple yes or no question its just best ignored.
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@Shila
ah , yesJesus did not use AI. He went by the old Bible and quoted from it.
Unlike that clown vi_777 that cannot answer a simple yes or no question using his own brain power.
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@vi_777
Ok, so when the Ayatollah Khamenei of the Islamic State of Iran issued a Fatwa ordering the Death of Novelist Salman Rushdie was he acting in accordance with Islamic Law and its teachings?
- Authority in Islam: Islamic law is derived from the Qur'an, Hadith (sayings of the Prophet Muhammad), and scholarly interpretations (fiqh). However, the authority of any individual leader, including Ayatollah Khamenei, to issue a fatwa (Islamic legal ruling) is based on their position and the specific school of thought they represent. While a fatwa is an opinion on religious matters, it isn't universally binding unless accepted by the broader Islamic community or scholars of that tradition.
So Ayatollah Khamenei was acting in accordance with Islamic law and the teaching of the Quran, when he ordered the death of Salman Rushdie the Novelist then? Yes or no.
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@WyIted
Muslims in Great a Britain are right now calling incest laws racist and asking for exceptions.
Yep. seen that.
The only questions that the newly expected Muslim mp's to Parliament have been asking at PMQ's are all to do with the "faith" and not policy. They were voted in on sectarian issues and not policy. And they will do a lot better come the next election. "Slippery slope" doesn't cover it.
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