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@Sidewalker
I don't believe this nonsense that the Theist has a "burden of proof".
Well you wouldn't believe it if you are a theist because you are of the misguided believe that to take this stance allows you relieve yourself of the burden of proof. Well it doesn't! And it is not nonsense at all.
It is the theist that makes the claim for the existence of a all singing all dancing god, as he also claims the bible is the true and faultless word of the god he believes in.
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@FLRW
No doubt we will see a return when someone walks along and in is kind enough to pick up his toys and put the back in the pram.
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@Best.Korea
Yes, God let my 7 year old cousin die from leukemiaGod created leukemia and thousands of diseases which target children specifically, which is why I concluded that God hates children.
The question I have always posed to Christians when it comes to disease is - why did Jesus cure only a few "lepers" and not eradicate all leprosy? I am still waiting for a answer.
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@RaymondSheen
So in which "paradise" is Jesus and the "thief" residing?“And Jesus said unto him. Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise” Luke 23:43In the paradise that will exist once sin, Satan, etc. are destroyed.
And so we can take it then that Satan, also a creation of god , has been destroyed? Or are you going to redefine the word " Today" in the above verse?Luke 23:43
God and Jesus have no real idea of what sin is like.Define "sin" biblically.Sin is a Hebrew transliteration. It means missing the target.
I see. So has nothing to do with transgressing the law of god?
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@RaymondSheen
a very small number of people do/will go to heaven to judge with Christ. 144,000 to be exact.Will this be the paradise mentioned by Jesus?No. Paradise Jesus spoke of in that instance is the earth the meek inhabit.
So in which "paradise" is Jesus and the "thief" residing?
“And Jesus said unto him. Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise” Luke 23:43
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@Benjamin
God and Jesus have no real idea of what sin is like.
Define "sin" biblically.
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@RaymondSheen
a very small number of people do/will go to heaven to judge with Christ. 144,000 to be exact.
Will this be the paradise mentioned by Jesus?
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@RaymondSheen
And you may well die but it won't be because you don't pledge allegiance to anything. It'll be because your own life is on the line or the lives of your loved ones.That sort of goies without saying, doesn't it?
Then if there is a war in your country you would be fighting for you and yours to exist within that country.. You just won't face your own contradiction.
So you belong to the corrupted world of both these bible characters? Corrupted by one of his own creations.What? Not being part of the world means that you are not an active participant in the corruption.
I asked you then what "world" do you belong to? You replied - "The world of Adam, the world of Noah which was destroyed," #11
That "world" was corrupted by one of gods own at the very dawn of mankind by one of god's own, if the bible is to be believed.
we are all a part of the system, the world we live in. We have to be.
Indeed, but you have been denying this and telling us that "like Jesus you don't belong to this world".#7 Let me tell you, Jesus was very much part of this world, he wasn't a god nor was he a literal "son of a god", he was son of god in title only as were other biblical characters.
But we don't have to actively participate in the corruption or look to the corruption as a sustainable solution to our problems.
"Actively" depends on the circumstances. You pay or have paid taxes to a "corrupt" system all your working life and still do. You buy petrol/gasoline to get about, you buy groceries to feed you and yours and all taxable to the "corrupt system". As I said, you may well wish not to be part of the system of this "world" But you like the rest us and as Jesus was you are very much part of it.
It isn't a battle of good against evil because we are all evil, but we try as much as we can - and fail.
That is opinion.
We can't do otherwise. But we can look towards a better solution not of our origin. Salvation.
Who said? Jesus? Does god himself ever offer "salvation"?
the world of the Jews which was destroyed twice,And why was they destroyed..... twice?Why? Faithlessness, I suppose.
There were no Jews in Noah's day. And it's debateable if he was Hebrew. Noah was from Mesopotamia and the Adam originated from there too although not created there.
The flood occured because the world of Noah's day had become so corrupt it couldn't survive. It was self-destructing in a way more rapidly than it would have if it would have without the presence and influence of the Nephilim.
Yes the Nephilim, otherwise know as "the sons of god". Do you not see a pattern emerging here?
Jerusalem was destroyed twice. First by the Babylonians and then the Romans.
And you believe this was gods doing , for the sins of the Israelites, do you?
Indeed, GOD made the once wise ,foolish. Just like GOD hardened the heart of Pharaoh. Who knows what Pharaoh would have done had GOD not made him stubborn?I think it would be safe for me to say that you don't really understand what you are criticizing.
I believe that I do.
Indeed, human life is cheap to god as displayed in many places in those versions of the bible that you mention. Job being a prime example.Life is sacred. Sacred means it belongs to God. On the other hand, to him, we are like grasshoppers. How does that make you feel? How do you think of grasshoppers or insects? From your perspective. (Isaiah 40:22)
So "sacred" that he murdered innocent men women and children at the drop of a hat. There are far too many examples to list here. The biblical god kills for no reason. But then you only subscribe to parts of the bible don't you?
I find it funny that GOD again tells us how much he loved the earth but tells us not to love it.James 4:4 Tell me, according to the Bible, the difference between the earth and the world.I think that in order to do that effectively you have to not be an embittered ideologue. Just my two cents.
You are more than welcome to put in your 2cents worth, And I shall get back to you on that. And I am not at all "embittered".
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@RaymondSheen
I [...............................................] Won't fight in wars, things like that. Don't pledge allegience to a flag.Well I am sure you will when the shit hits the fan over there in the USA.I would rather die and that is exactly what I would do.
And you may well die but it won't be because you don't pledge allegiance to anything. It'll be because your own life is on the line or the lives of your loved ones.
You also have opinions about the world that you exist on but claim not to belong to.Correct. I'm assuming you have opinions about my world which you claim not to belong to?I may well do if I knew of and understood "the world you live in"?The world of Adam, the world of Noah which was destroyed,
So you belong to the corrupted world of both these bible characters? Corrupted by one of his own creations.
the world of the Jews which was destroyed twice,
And why was they destroyed..... twice?
1 Corinthians 1:20,
Indeed, GOD made the once wise ,foolish. Just like GOD hardened the heart of Pharaoh. Who knows what Pharaoh would have done had GOD not made him stubborn?
2 Corinthians 7:10;
Yes this will be GOD again. Simply saying be sorry to him only and repent and not those that you may have harmed on earth. Yes GOD can excuse himself for anything can't he, without regret. Indeed, human life is cheap to god as displayed in many places in those versions of the bible that you mention. Job being a prime example.
James 4:4
I find it funny that GOD again tells us how much he loved the earth but tells us not to love it.
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@RaymondSheen
So is your world somewhere else other than the planet you were born on?[A] In a sense, yes. Jesus and the apostles when writing the Bible used the word katabole. It's the same as the English word fuck. It means throwing or laying down seed. (Hebrew 11:11; Luke 11:50) [B] So, there have been many worlds.
[A] No one knows who rote the gospels.
[B] There is and always will be many other planets, but you seem to be conflating worlds with planets. I drift off into my own "world" often as do millions of resident of this planet.
Jesus and his followers were on the same planet as I'm on.
So is it world or planet? And what is it called?
You have a website (un-named) that is most certainly part of the world that you claim not to belong to.Yeah. Revelation In Space (for desktop)- it's just a hobby. Observing the world doesn't mean taking a part of it.
Well this is exactly what you are doing. The day your birth certificate was created you became a fully paid up member of planet earth... like it or not. You have also "rendered unto Caesar" via taxes. You were (I will assume) educated and have studied under the system you now claim not to be part of. You say that you are "retired" I will assume then that you have "retired" because you have reached retirement age under the system of the "world" that you actually do inhabit. Do you drive a car? Do you own your house? Do you use the roads and highways?
I [...............................................] Won't fight in wars, things like that. Don't pledge allegience to a flag.
Well I am sure you will when the shit hits the fan over there in the USA.
You also have opinions about the world that you exist on but claim not to belong to.Correct. I'm assuming you have opinions about my world which you claim not to belong to?
I may well do if I knew of and understood "the world you live in"?
I don't subscribe to traditional modern-day Christianity, which is more pagan than Biblical. Though not in total agreement, my beliefs are quite similar to that of the Jehovah's Witnesses since they have removed the pagan influence.....Which "pagan influences" did they remove?The immortal soul from Socrates, Trinity from Plato, Cross from Constantine, Hell from Milton/Dante, Christmas from Saturnalia and Dickens, Easter from Astarte, Rapture from Darby to name a few.
I am assuming that you are referring to the JW's version of THE bible namely New World Translation in which they have simply used modern words instead of ancient Greek or Hebrew equivalents?
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Like Jesus, I am no part of the world .
So is your world somewhere else other than the planet you were born on?
You have a website (un-named) that is most certainly part of the world that you claim not to belong to.
You also have opinions about the world that you exist on but claim not to belong to.
I don't subscribe to traditional modern-day Christianity, which is more pagan than Biblical. Though not in total agreement, my beliefs are quite similar to that of the Jehovah's Witnesses since they have removed the pagan influence.....
Which "pagan influences" did they remove?
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@zedvictor4
Peoples taste in music is often relative.Mine is eclectic.
Did you get around to listening to Joe Bonamassa, Vic?
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@RationalMadman
Well what does it mean?Taking a stand can be very violent.
Well did you listen to the video? Of course you haven't. You are just jumping the gun, AGAIN!!!
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Police and mental health worker visit orthodox Christian for saying to his priest " Christians must take a stand".
England has gone down the shit pan.
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@Best.Korea
Well, I hate Christians more than muslims, its just that the muslims are winning the psychological war where Christianity is not even a working religion anymore.
I didn't expect such a statement from you BK, to be honest. Hate; is a very strong word my friend and shouldn't be used lightly. But I stand by your right to express your thoughts and opinions.
Have you read about the genocide of Christians going on in as we speak being committed by Azerbaijani Muslims? And not a single mention from Western MSM. Maybe those Christians should complain that the Muslims were dressed as the Grinch and upsetting their feeling and causing them distress which just may cause the West to take notice.
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Salah Toughfar said he was "upset and distressed" to have been compared to the Dr Seuss character - despite not knowing anything about the mean-tempered creature until a colleague showed him an internet description.
The learning support assistant, who still works at The Grove School in north London, later complained about the audience laughing at him as he collected his trophy.
It was only a few years ago that is was fkn snow that "offended" Allah
"The people who will receive the severest punishment from Allah will be the picture makers.'" (Al Bukhari)
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@Bones
Muhammad Ali is next.
I though it was Rocky Balboa next. Or did he lose to Godzilla?
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@RationalMadman
Stephen wrote: There is a simple reason that the Sun did this as do all media outlets. It was because this vile vicious attempted murder came on the heels of a similar attack that happened only 48 hours before. A knife was used, people got killed and injured and both happened in Sydney.Many outlets don't do that.
And most do. And for obvious reasons. Except obvious to you .
This should be the end of our exchanged.
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@Hero_In_Instatute
you've never read the bible before, have you.
Well, I will assume that you have. So can you explain to me what is going on here at Matthew 15: 21 -28?
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@zedvictor4
As luck would have it, I fall into the perfect earthling one.
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@zedvictor4
Too many categories to list, in fact. Which one do you fall into?As luck would have it, I fall into the perfect earthling one.
Is there a common sense category, Vic? ie, the capability to form an opinion based on a simple perception of the situation or facts. I think that would be me.
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@Double_R
Double_R wrote @n8nrgim A definition of "flesh robots" would be a nice start.
Nice.😊
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@RationalMadman
I didn't realise The Sun puts new articles literally seamlessly after the previous articles.
There is a simple reason that the Sun did this as do all media outlets. It was because this vile vicious attempted murder came on the heels of a similar attack that happened only 48 hours before. A knife was used, people got killed and injured and both happened in Sydney.
And it clearly distinguishes between the two with a BOLD headline. I.E
"Sydney mall rampage
It comes after rampaging knifeman Joel Cauchi murdered six people at a mall in Bondi on Saturday."
It comes after rampaging knifeman Joel Cauchi murdered six people at a mall in Bondi on Saturday."
And be it for me to be a rumour monger but it is now being alleged (on line) that the first attack by a "mentally ill person" (that will be the prostitute you mentioned) at the shopping Mall was a recent convert to the " religion of peace " commonly known to right thinking people as a vile ideology called Islam. But I don't know the truth of it and also why I didn't comment about it the day it happened. But there again it wouldn't be the first time a convert to Islam has committed such atrocities, would it?
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@RationalMadman
RationalMadman wrote: The killer was a male escort and had a white father so I'm unsure what you're implying.Stephen wrote: What killer? has Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel Died then? Or is it a case that you haven't even read my post in full or even opened the link, or BOTH!!!!? WANKER!By a miracle he survived several stabs then.
So the link doesn't say the Bishop had died , does it? But YOU announced the attacker as a killer.
Your article makes it clear this is a male prositute whose father is named Andrew.
Then you have simply glided over the intention of THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC and moved to the earlier attack that happened two days previous.
Try to reply to what I say this time.
I have, see above. ALSO see below for the full transcript CONCERNING THE ATTACK ON THE BISHOP from the link that I posted, which my thread is concerned with. OR did you miss the part where I named the victim as Bishop Emmanuel!?
A BISHOP has been stabbed in Sydney just days after six shoppers were knifed to death in a horror mall rampage in the city.
Shocking live stream footage showed Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel being attacked while delivering a sermon at a church in Wakeley.
A live stream appeared to show the terrifying moment Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel was stabbed.
Bishop Emmanuel was reportedly stabbed multiple times.
Bizarre footage showed the attacker smiling as he was pinned to the floor.
A crowd of more than 5,000 people gathered outside the church after the attack.
New South Wales cops guard the entrance to the church while the suspect was kept inside.
At least four people were stabbed just after 7pm on Monday night at Wakeley's Christ The Good Shepherd Church.
Bishop Emmanuel - who has a huge following on social media - was reportedly stabbed multiple times and rushed to hospital.
The attacker was said to have been detained by churchgoers before cops swooped and arrested a suspect.
A chilling photo later emerged of what appeared to be the attacker smiling at a camera while pinned down on the floor of the Assyrian church.
And furious crowds swarmed the streets outside the church after the attack - reportedly calling to "cut off the fingers" of the suspect.
Footage appeared to show bricks and bottles being hurled at riot cops as tensions explode over the latest stabbing to rock the city in just two days.
YouTube live stream footage showed Bishop Emmanuel speaking at an altar as a man calmly walked up to him and lunged at his face and neck with a weapon.
The church leader fell to the ground and screams could be heard from the congregation as several churchgoers rushed forward to help.
Footage showed him being rushed to an ambulance on a stretcher in front of a growing crowd outside.
Two police officers were reportedly injured in the swarm of over 5,000 people outside of the church.
One report said angry bystanders were shouting for the suspect's surrender as he was locked inside the building for his safety.
New South Wales cops have since confirmed he has been "removed from the church and taken to an undisclosed location".
They said "police continue to work on restoring order" in Wakeley following reports that "a number of people were stabbed" at the church.
Footage showed him being rushed to an ambulance on a stretcher in front of a growing crowd outside.
Two police officers were reportedly injured in the swarm of over 5,000 people outside of the church.
One report said angry bystanders were shouting for the suspect's surrender as he was locked inside the building for his safety.
New South Wales cops have since confirmed he has been "removed from the church and taken to an undisclosed location".
They said "police continue to work on restoring order" in Wakeley following reports that "a number of people were stabbed" at the church.
ONLY THEN DOES IT GO ON TO REFLECT ON THE EARLIER ATTACK THAT TOOK PLACE TWO DAYS EARLIER WHERE PEOPLE DID DIE.
This thread was concerned with the vile attempted murder of a Christian Bishop. by a MUSLIM .<<< That is what is being IMPLIED!!!
YOU ABSOLUTE DRONGO.
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@FishChaser
It is protected by stupidity. People can be indoctrinated with stupid shit and that's why Islam is so popular.
Yep. I just read that:
2014
"MORE THAN100 PEOPLE - MOST OF THEM WOMEN - ARE CONVERTING TO ISLAM IN SYDNEY EACH YEAR, AND EXPERTS WARN SOME NEW CONVERTS ARE MORE LIKELY TO ADOPT EXTREMIST ELEMENTS OF THE RELIGION".
I wonder how many it is now, ten years on?
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@Mall
@ADreamOfLiberty
I don't doubt for a second that we'll see the usual suspects of local dignitaries along with the local Imam lined up on the town hall steps talking of " ONLY a tiny minority, Islam is a religion of peace", now lets all sing "Give Peace A Chance, Kumbaya, and Don't look Back In Anger" at a candle - lit vigil in the very near future.
I can promise you this, we haven't seen nothing yet.
It's been reported that the attacker was grinning when he was floored and captured and has been moved to a "secret location".... but he did lose two fingers during his vile, vicious and unprovoked attack on the Bishop that just happened to be giving a sermon of Jesus' message of peace. You really couldn't make this shit up.
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@Best.Korea
Islam is too strong to be defeated, since it is protected by Allah.
Muslims and Islam don't need Allah, BK. Our own Western leaders are helping Islam along just swimmingly in the take over of the West. . This isn't the first Priest to be butchered in a Western speaking country and won't be the last.
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@RationalMadman
What killer? has Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel Died then?
Or is it a case that you haven't even read my post in full or even opened the link, or BOTH!!!!? WANKER!
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A BISHOP has been stabbed in Sydney just days after six shoppers were knifed to death in a horror mall rampage in the city.
Shocking live stream footage showed Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel being attacked while delivering a sermon at a church in Wakeley.
At least four people were stabbed just after 7pm on Monday night at Wakeley's Christ The Good Shepherd Church.
Bishop Emmanuel - who has a huge following on social media - was reportedly stabbed multiple times and rushed to hospital.
The attacker was said to have been detained by churchgoers before cops swooped and arrested a suspect.
A chilling photo later emerged of what appeared to be the attacker smiling at a camera while pinned down on the floor of the Assyrian church.
And it seems, that the Aussie Christians are not prepared to "turn the other cheek". gud on ya cobbers.
AND no doubt it will be broadcast by all MSM world wide that the Bishop's attacker will be "suffering from mental issues" <<< this being the new apologetics coming from all Western leaders. Why can they not just face the facts, that Islam is a thread to all Western societies and has been since the day Salman Rushdie wrote a novel.?
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@WyIted
So much sexual deviance among the clergy, yet they have the brass balls to call all atheists "drug addled kiddie fiddlers".... well, I know at least one of them does.At least they have the decent y to hide that they are sick fucks instead of flaunting it.
They must have been "flaunting it" somewhere and to someone, It was a an orgy, ffs! held my men chosen by god!
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@zedvictor4
The urge to procreate is an inherent base drive.
Yep. We were told to do much go forth-ing and multiplying, even ye old'e god knew that.
Celibacy my arse.Well, not mine vicar.
And certainly not mine, Reverend.😑
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@Best.Korea
Apparently, religion has little to no effect on preventing crime or preventing nonsense.
When it should, BK.
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The only thing that shocks me these days is that nothing else shocks me.
Priest refused to open the door to emergency services that were interrupting his homosexual orgy.
"The priest was sentenced for sexual offences, the supply of drugs and failing to provide assistance to a person in danger of loss of life or serious bodily harm".
So much sexual deviance among the clergy, yet they have the brass balls to call all atheists "drug addled kiddie fiddlers".... well, I know at least one of them does.
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@n8nrgim
It's also kinda stupid to think humans r nothing other than elaborate flesh robots
Wouldn't go as far as to say "robots" in the true sense of the word. But we were certainly created as a slave species if the bible is to be believed. You want to try reading it for yourself.... one day.
Start here>> "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground". Genesis 2:5 and then read what comes before up to the creation of the Adam.
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@Mall
But when you can't answer a question, just be forthright with that. No pretenses.
He was forthright, Mall. HERE>> #70
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@zedvictor4
Not so good looking (Sort of a clone of the archetypal 60's American housewife)
That will be the one's with wombs I take it, Vic?😁
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@Shila
Jesus is a true historical figure. Read my post on “The case for the historical Jesus.”
The link, please shila.
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@zedvictor4
Though they hadn't invented hot cross buns yet.
Can't say that anymore: "hot cross", its "micro aggression". I believe it is "very upset buns" now Vic. Or is it "jolly batey buns"? I am getting really confused with all this new PC correct language to be honest, Vic.
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@Mall
Tradesecret wrote @Mall: If I showed you a spot in the Bible where God HIMSELF divorced Israel, doesn't that demonstrate that it is a valid end to a marriage covenant? #60
I will assume the Reverend Tradesecret is referring to Jeremiah 3 I believe, Mall?
While ignoring the actual question all together; and conflating the spiritual with the material or physical the Reverend Tradesecret believes he has his "gotcha" moment Mall. He just thinks that you are far too stupid to realise it.
And he has the brass neck to accuse everyone else of "cherry picking and taking verses out of context" ! 🤣
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@Barney
I’m curious what other peoples immediate reactions are, so please assist me.
Good looking, a reasonably good singer. Her political views only tell me she's simply going along with "the thing" / zeit·geist. Other than that, I am indifferent.
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@Mall
Tradesecret @Mall: I could quote verses from Adam, from Noah, from Abraham who all understood and practiced covenant theology.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^from the man that tells us that he:
"doesn't even believe in religion and that it should be banned" and that "words are just words" and "the (words of the} BIBLE can't do anything".
The man is a fkn joke! and very entertaining,😂
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@Deb-8-a-bull
The bible dudes that did the bible could of like ummm, put words in gods mouth. .And Words that not even really come from the god.They could of liked made stuff up.
Absolutely correct, Deb. As do the Pastors, Priests and Chaplains. Any explanations for those awkward, embarrassing, ambiguous and contradictory verses are all made up on the hoof and trying to come across to the reader as intelligent and knowledgeable, at which the Pastors and Chaplains fail miserably.
Hence the total lack of BIBLICAL support for said explanations..
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@Mall
Mall, wrote @TradesecretYou're saying all these statements but you have no scripture that states divorce is justified. You're just giving commentary of an idea.
Opinion based on nothing at all biblical is The Reverend Tradesecret's usual mo.
Notice that. I'm giving all this scripture that denies divorce. Just straight from the words of the book, not my own.
Indeed. In fact the Reverend Tradesecret will always insist on members providing "biblical evidence/ proof" for their comments, statements, theories, ideas and opinions while affording himself guess-work, conjecture, opinion. speculation and his beliefs and presenting them as fact. While not affording you the same curtesy. He's a proven compulsive liar and a fkn fraud that makes it all up on the hoof.
You'll get used to in if you stick around long enough, Mall. He's frightened to death to discuss any of the gospels or the bible in general even though he tells us that he has;
"been taught to memorise the bible from and early age in ancient Greek and Hebrew languages" too.
It's his "definitions" default when he's in one of the many tight corners that he often paints himself into that makes me laugh out loud. He tells us that he doesn't accept definitions from "some dictionary". 😒
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@rosends
If you want to say that some sort of worship of a "Satan" character is anything then just call it Christian. Don't drag Judaism into this. In Judaism, Satan is an angel who works for God. There is no notion of Satan's being some opposing force worthy of separate worship.
Spot on , Rosie, The bible confirms what A Satan is. But Christians are far too ignorant or stupid to work that out for themselves.
I put this down to Pastors and Chaplains and Priests that promote and have promoted the BS story about "satan".
If we are to go by the Christian belief, then is all those believers have to ask themselves is: who the fk was satan that he believed himself to be in the position to test the character of the "son of God"?
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@IlDiavolo
Well, at least you're realizing that the biblical content is not reliable AT ALL because the scientific research you're mentioning is at odds over it.And I encourage you to keep questioning its content, this is the only way you can reach THE TRUTH.
Spot on. 10/10
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@Mall
Making a claim and preaching are two different things.#34
You are talking absolute bollocks if you actually believe there is a difference.
Nope. They claim there is a god. They preach about what they claim. They preach what god and his son and his son's disciples have to tell us. They also preach from a book that was allegedly "inspired" by their god. I.E. the very word of their god. And didn't Jesus say " I was sent to preach the the good news"? And didn't Jesus commanded his disciples to preach the gospels?
A theist can preach about God but necessarily make a matter of fact claim.
That makes no sense. Theist always present their god to us as a matter of fact. Because gods existence IS a matter of fact in their minds.
Unless you know of a Pastor, or a Chaplain that doesn't actually believe what he spews from his high and mighty pulpit at every given chance.
Why have you posted this in the Science and Nature sub forum?
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@n8nrgim
n8nrgim wrote @ Tradesecret; Yea but do u agree that literally the bible says we no longer have a legal relationship with God?
And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh. Genesis 6:3
Looks like god told us we are on our own.
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@n8nrgim
There's often people who come back from the dead.... they're dead or hours or days, as far as we know anyway, and still come back despite that it's inexplicable. Often there r stories of those in a morgue waking up. Or someone under water for half an hour. Granted it's very rare for a Christian to pray and bring someone back or at least the stories that we know of, and the stories r usually nde related... but it's not unheard of for extended dead to come back to life
And you have good reliable sources for those claims do you, n8nrgim?
Someone I don't doubt may be considered or assumed "dead" but they simply couldn't have been if they regain consciousness.
Dead means no longer alive.
Maybe we should leave the praying to those who just love that sound of their own voice and pray for the simple things in life such as:
Dear god, in the name of your Lord son Jesus please fix the church bells so my brother and his bride can have a lovely memorable day. Or just send us a free cherry picker so we can fix ourselves. You did it for this couple, Lord>>> https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10756-evidence-god-christianity-miracles-ndes-the-afterlife?page=1&post_number=12
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@IlDiavolo
Read this D. I suggest you hold your ribs whilst doing so.
The Revered just can't keep away from me even though he blocked me "permanently" .🤣
"Mock me if you will" - he says, He fkn needs mocking for all the bullshite he expects anyone here to swallow.
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@n8nrgim
Tradsecret wrote @n8nrgimSo here is the interesting thing. As we were closing the Board meeting, one of the local girls, prayed. And she asked God, to provide a miracle, to fix the bell, before the wedding. And I recall chuckling to myself. But I added at the end, that it's a good thing to ask God for such things. #12
🤣FFS!
No mention of world peace? Or feeding the starving? Housing the homeless? Dads operation to be successful? 😂
December 14 2019.
Church attempts resurrection of a dead two year old child, through Prayer
“We have a precedent” said Pastor Bill, “Jesus raised the dead”.
He said “there was no time limit on how much longer the prayers and singing would continue, but added that the child remained at the county coroner's office”.
Interesting that Jesus also commanded any one that followed him to:
“Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give”. Matthew 10:7-8 .
They appear to have done everything by the book too:
“'Since that night, and at the continued request of the Heiligenthal family, Bethel Church has hosted prayer and worship gatherings which consist of singing and prayer,' the church said in a statement”.
Interesting it is that the bible informs its adherents to continue praying! And to “never give up”. Luke 18.
The baby’s funeral was eventually held December22.
What happened here ? “Ye of little faith” or the wrong faith?
It appears that the only thing “raised” during this whole sad sorry saga was $62,000 (“unforeseen expenses” don’t you know) via a GoFundMe page. I can hear Pastor Bill sermonising Acts 2:45 as I write.
It isn't hard at all to find hundreds of cases where every single devout religious grieving parent was denied what they asked for in their payers.
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