Stephen

idk if one would actually kill sm1 for writing a novel? do u know about anything like this?

Do you know what a Fatwa is ? 

yes.

And who in the Islamic hierarchy  can issue a Fatwa?

That's generally the Mufti.

Stop skirting the question.

So then what religion and what interpretation of what book are they acting on?

"They are acting on their own flawed understanding of Islam, not on the Qur'an or authentic teachings of the Prophet Muhammad

So the religion that these "individuals" are getting their ideas from is Islam.  And the book they interpret (wrongly or rightly) is the Quran?  Yes?

u mean the muslims?

Well are the "individuals" Muslim?

A Muslim is someone who submits to the will of Allah and follows the teachings of Islam

Ok. But that wasn't what I asked. 

I asked:  Are the "individuals" you spoke about HERE>>  #18 that kill someone for , say writing a novel, Muslim or not Muslim?

if they do believe ALLAH is their only creator, yes they r muslims,

Well then  if they claim that they believe in Allah and that Muhammad is his prophet then they are Muslim. And their teaching comes directly from the Quran. Right?

well yes, but don't take it to the point that their teachings r the rzn for all this.

But you have agreed that "their teachings " come from the Quran. 

You can't say on the one hand that "these individuals" that claim that they believe in Allah and that Muhammad is his prophet  are Muslim and their teachings come from the Quran but on the other say -  the Quran is not the reason for their actions.  You are trying to have it both ways. 

The flaw in this logic is the assumption that following the Qur'an "to the letter" automatically leads to violence.

The sooner woman starts giving birth,

@n8nrgim wrote: the quaran talks about chopping off heads and hands. self evidently false. i dont know if gettin the seventy two virgins at death thing is official teaching, but also self evidently false. 

tigerlord wrote: @n8nrgim:Do you not find it in Christianity and Judaism also in Hinduism and even in budism?#35

Islam is best.

Best what? 

Everything #12

tigerlord said: Islam is best because it provide guidance for every aspect of life.

The only virgins in Islam are found in paradise.

Islam is best.

Stop skirting the question.

So then what religion and what interpretation of what book are they acting on?

"They are acting on their own flawed understanding of Islam, not on the Qur'an or authentic teachings of the Prophet Muhammad

So the religion that these "individuals" are getting their ideas from is Islam.  And the book they interpret (wrongly or rightly) is the Quran?  Yes?

u mean the muslims?

Well are the "individuals" Muslim?

A Muslim is someone who submits to the will of Allah and follows the teachings of Islam

Ok. But that wasn't what I asked. 

I asked:  Are the "individuals" you spoke about HERE>>  #18 that kill someone for , say writing a novel, Muslim or not Muslim?

if they do believe ALLAH is their only creator, yes they r muslims,

Well then  if they claim that they believe in Allah and that Muhammad is his prophet then they are Muslim. And their teaching comes directly from the Quran. Right?

well yes, but don't take it to the point that their teachings r the rzn for all this.

idk if one would actually kill sm1 for writing a novel? do u know about anything like this?

Do you know what a Fatwa is ? 

yes.

Stop skirting the question.

So then what religion and what interpretation of what book are they acting on?

"They are acting on their own flawed understanding of Islam, not on the Qur'an or authentic teachings of the Prophet Muhammad

So the religion that these "individuals" are getting their ideas from is Islam.  And the book they interpret (wrongly or rightly) is the Quran?  Yes?

u mean the muslims?

Well are the "individuals" Muslim?

A Muslim is someone who submits to the will of Allah and follows the teachings of Islam

Ok. But that wasn't what I asked. 

I asked:  Are the "individuals" you spoke about HERE>>  #18 that kill someone for , say writing a novel, Muslim or not Muslim?

if they do believe ALLAH is their only creator, yes they r muslims,

idk if one would actually kill sm1 for writing a novel? do u know about anything like this?

For now. BK

Depends on where you mean by "here". The Uk are on the verge of introducing blasphemy laws here in the UK. And for one religion only.

I meant here on the site, we have plenty of free speech.

The Europe is very much descending quickly into banning all kinds of speech. Muslim countries never even had free speech to begin with. Its mostly because of religious nuts who think their ideology deserves some special treatment and protection from any critique, a protection which no ideology should enjoy, really.

Really, you can promote whatever you want here. Its a free speech site. Free speech isnt common in islam, but here, you have it.

Stop skirting the question.

So then what religion and what interpretation of what book are they acting on?

"They are acting on their own flawed understanding of Islam, not on the Qur'an or authentic teachings of the Prophet Muhammad

So the religion that these "individuals" are getting their ideas from is Islam.  And the book they interpret (wrongly or rightly) is the Quran?  Yes?

u mean the muslims?

Well are the "individuals" Muslim?

A Muslim is someone who submits to the will of Allah and follows the teachings of Islam

Stop skirting the question.

So then what religion and what interpretation of what book are they acting on?

"They are acting on their own flawed understanding of Islam, not on the Qur'an or authentic teachings of the Prophet Muhammad

u mean the muslims?

I didn't ask about "blasphemy". I asked where did those "individuals" get this idea that it is right to murder another for say, writing a novel?

The idea of murdering someone for writing a novel does not come from the core teachings of Islam; [........................]

Acts of violence against writers or critics stem from people distorting religious ideas.

Then who's religious idea and which religious book  have they distorted?

"They are acting on false interpretations of religion, not the Qur'an or authentic teachings of Islam".

I didn't ask about "blasphemy". I asked where did those "individuals" get this idea that it is right to murder another for say, writing a novel?

The idea of murdering someone for writing a novel does not come from the core teachings of Islam; [........................]

Acts of violence against writers or critics stem from people distorting religious ideas.

I see.So can you tell me where those "individuals" get this idea that it is right to murder another for say, writing a novel?

The "idea" of killing for blasphemy doesn’t come from the religion—it comes from people misusing it. 

vi_777 it’s important to distinguish between the actions of individuals and the teachings of their faith. 

I see.

So can you tell me where those  "individuals" get this idea that it is right  to murder another for say, writing a novel?

tigerlord said; No body is allowed to kill anybody, a person who killed one person has killed the whole humanity (Holy Quran). 

 it’s important to distinguish between the actions of individuals and the teachings of their faith. 

 even quran doesn't agree with anger at certain points,

the Catholic Church’s teaching on why women cannot be ordained as priests.

Catholic teaching does not offer a concrete, exhaustive list of “wrong actions” 

Red or Golden?

Sometimes you almost seem to forget that these are just characters from archaic folk tales.

Has our resident Reverend had a lie-in today?

He is exercising his free will.

That will be the "free will" argument that Christians often spout.  Its hardly free will if it comes with the threat of death. Bible is full of stories about god violating free will all the time.

God denied freewill even to Jesus.

Sin came from Adam's God-given gift to choose for himself right and wrong—an ability which led to the fall of man.

We inherit original sin—as outlined in Romans 5:12-21

12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

How did Mary feel about Jesus' death?

She not only witnessed her Son die, but she witnessed the horror of the manner of His death. She knew deeply and intimately of His perfection and innocence. She saw Him humiliated and His dignity destroyed as the soldiers stripped Him naked and cast lots for His clothing.

where is a throne of David?

Is it a Palestinian settlement?

The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) unambiguously declares that every human life must be respected and protected from the very moment of conception. 

I see. So. Even though there are MILLIONS born with irreversible deformities that can now be detected in the womb using modern methods such as ultrasound? 

Even when irreversible deformities are detected, Catholic teaching maintains that every human life is sacred from the moment of conception. The presence of such conditions does not diminish the inherent dignity or the right to life of the unborn, who is made in the image of God.#1

The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) unambiguously declares that every human life must be respected and protected from the very moment of conception. 

The people chose Jesus over Barabbas to be crucified.

Tradesecret wrote @ Shila: Jesus' death was not a human sacrifice in the pagan sense.  It was a voluntary act of love and obedience.

Under a 2007 decree from the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, both the bishop who attempts to ordain a woman and the woman who seeks ordination incur latae sententiae (automatic) excommunication. 

There are only male priests in Catholicism. On the other hand, other denomations (such as some Protestants) have women priests, for example.

There are now transgender,  lesbians and non binary  ministering in the church. And all against the teaching in the  BIBLE! 

You're right, but not in the Catholic Church. The Church holds that only men can recieve the laying on of hands (which is necessary in order to become a priest).

It was an angel that stopped Abraham from sacrificing Isaac. Not god. Hence I asked, makes one wonder who  is actually in charge.

God uses angels as his messengers.

But how does it explain the change in those teachings over time. I mean, the papacy teaches different morals and faith today than it did 1000 years ago.

 Try just 50 or even10 years ago, BK.  There are now transgender,  lesbians and non binary  ministering in the church. And all against the teaching in the  BIBLE! 

Maybe Its a case of submitting to those minorities and finding favour with such. Maybe the cause is the fall in church attendees in the West? 

How does the  church allow what god calls an abomination to preach to his flocks.  I can only guess the Church wishes to destroy and bring down its own temple. It wouldn't be that unusual, come to think of it. 

Male and female created He them. GEN 1:27

Meet Non-binary bisexual Catholic priest wants you to know people of all genders are created in God’s image.

Father/Mother? Kori Pacyniak wants you to know that  Non-binary, trans, bisexual priest leads LGBT- are all welcome to the Catholic congregation. 

https://www.thepinknews.com/2020/02/17/non-binary-catholic-priest-kori-pacyniak-gender-inclusivity-san-diego-mary-magdalene/

I notice the Reverend Tradesecret  is asking and answering his own questions again. 

I was just curious about how does he explain the change in teachings.

But he did command Abraham to sacrifice Issac.

Genesis22 :2 Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.”

It seems that it was only the intervention of an "angel" that stopped him doing the deed. Makes you wonder who was really in charge at times? Such is the ambiguous nature of the BIBLE. 

This is god once again stamping his authority over his human creation and demanding that we fear him, Shila.

If God stopped Abraham from sacrificing his son...

because God felt his intentions were pure and genuine,

why did God reject Jesus’s prayer to stop his sacrifice? Did he feel Jesus was not sincere?

Matthew 26:39

He prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, take this cup of suffering away from me. But let what you want be done, not what I want.”

Matthew 27:45-47 (also Mark 15:33-34) says: “Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land until the ninth hour. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani? ' that is, 'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

But how does it explain the change in those teachings over time. I mean, the papacy teaches different morals and faith today than it did 1000 years ago.

In Jeremiah 19:4-6, Gd tells us that human sacrifice is so horrible a concept to Him, that it did not even come into His mind to demand it from His creation.

I'm surprise you guys don't have anything to say this week.

CatholicApologetics wrote: Again, however, I must stress that these posts aren't about debating or arguing..........#1

History offers inspiring examples of the papacy’s impact.

For example, I heard that Jesus, also known as the Christ, was a "soul" brought from another planet, same with Mary, the virgin. Apparently these "souls" are as conscious as a living person because they accepted to be displaced.

There are many things that need to be discovered and I'm really looking forward to it.

You are distorting the Bible with your alien theory.

Jesus is a house keeper in heaven preparing rooms for guests.

John 14:2 - In My Father's House are Many Rooms

My Father's house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?

And do you believe that, Shila?

Those are his own words describing his job in heaven.

I know what the bible states I asked you if you believe it?

You have to believe what Jesus said in the Bible.

Definition of faith.