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A BISHOP has been stabbed in Sydney just days after six shoppers were knifed to death in a horror mall rampage in the city.
Shocking live stream footage showed Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel being attacked while delivering a sermon at a church in Wakeley.
At least four people were stabbed just after 7pm on Monday night at Wakeley's Christ The Good Shepherd Church.
Bishop Emmanuel - who has a huge following on social media - was reportedly stabbed multiple times and rushed to hospital.
The attacker was said to have been detained by churchgoers before cops swooped and arrested a suspect.
A chilling photo later emerged of what appeared to be the attacker smiling at a camera while pinned down on the floor of the Assyrian church.
And it seems, that the Aussie Christians are not prepared to "turn the other cheek". gud on ya cobbers.
AND no doubt it will be broadcast by all MSM world wide that the Bishop's attacker will be "suffering from mental issues" <<< this being the new apologetics coming from all Western leaders. Why can they not just face the facts, that Islam is a thread to all Western societies and has been since the day Salman Rushdie wrote a novel.?
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@WyIted
So much sexual deviance among the clergy, yet they have the brass balls to call all atheists "drug addled kiddie fiddlers".... well, I know at least one of them does.At least they have the decent y to hide that they are sick fucks instead of flaunting it.
They must have been "flaunting it" somewhere and to someone, It was a an orgy, ffs! held my men chosen by god!
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@zedvictor4
The urge to procreate is an inherent base drive.
Yep. We were told to do much go forth-ing and multiplying, even ye old'e god knew that.
Celibacy my arse.Well, not mine vicar.
And certainly not mine, Reverend.😑
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@Best.Korea
Apparently, religion has little to no effect on preventing crime or preventing nonsense.
When it should, BK.
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The only thing that shocks me these days is that nothing else shocks me.
Priest refused to open the door to emergency services that were interrupting his homosexual orgy.
"The priest was sentenced for sexual offences, the supply of drugs and failing to provide assistance to a person in danger of loss of life or serious bodily harm".
So much sexual deviance among the clergy, yet they have the brass balls to call all atheists "drug addled kiddie fiddlers".... well, I know at least one of them does.
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@n8nrgim
It's also kinda stupid to think humans r nothing other than elaborate flesh robots
Wouldn't go as far as to say "robots" in the true sense of the word. But we were certainly created as a slave species if the bible is to be believed. You want to try reading it for yourself.... one day.
Start here>> "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground". Genesis 2:5 and then read what comes before up to the creation of the Adam.
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@Mall
But when you can't answer a question, just be forthright with that. No pretenses.
He was forthright, Mall. HERE>> #70
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@zedvictor4
Not so good looking (Sort of a clone of the archetypal 60's American housewife)
That will be the one's with wombs I take it, Vic?😁
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@Shila
Jesus is a true historical figure. Read my post on “The case for the historical Jesus.”
The link, please shila.
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@zedvictor4
Though they hadn't invented hot cross buns yet.
Can't say that anymore: "hot cross", its "micro aggression". I believe it is "very upset buns" now Vic. Or is it "jolly batey buns"? I am getting really confused with all this new PC correct language to be honest, Vic.
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@Mall
Tradesecret wrote @Mall: If I showed you a spot in the Bible where God HIMSELF divorced Israel, doesn't that demonstrate that it is a valid end to a marriage covenant? #60
I will assume the Reverend Tradesecret is referring to Jeremiah 3 I believe, Mall?
While ignoring the actual question all together; and conflating the spiritual with the material or physical the Reverend Tradesecret believes he has his "gotcha" moment Mall. He just thinks that you are far too stupid to realise it.
And he has the brass neck to accuse everyone else of "cherry picking and taking verses out of context" ! 🤣
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@Barney
I’m curious what other peoples immediate reactions are, so please assist me.
Good looking, a reasonably good singer. Her political views only tell me she's simply going along with "the thing" / zeit·geist. Other than that, I am indifferent.
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@Mall
Tradesecret @Mall: I could quote verses from Adam, from Noah, from Abraham who all understood and practiced covenant theology.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^from the man that tells us that he:
"doesn't even believe in religion and that it should be banned" and that "words are just words" and "the (words of the} BIBLE can't do anything".
The man is a fkn joke! and very entertaining,😂
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@Deb-8-a-bull
The bible dudes that did the bible could of like ummm, put words in gods mouth. .And Words that not even really come from the god.They could of liked made stuff up.
Absolutely correct, Deb. As do the Pastors, Priests and Chaplains. Any explanations for those awkward, embarrassing, ambiguous and contradictory verses are all made up on the hoof and trying to come across to the reader as intelligent and knowledgeable, at which the Pastors and Chaplains fail miserably.
Hence the total lack of BIBLICAL support for said explanations..
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@Mall
Mall, wrote @TradesecretYou're saying all these statements but you have no scripture that states divorce is justified. You're just giving commentary of an idea.
Opinion based on nothing at all biblical is The Reverend Tradesecret's usual mo.
Notice that. I'm giving all this scripture that denies divorce. Just straight from the words of the book, not my own.
Indeed. In fact the Reverend Tradesecret will always insist on members providing "biblical evidence/ proof" for their comments, statements, theories, ideas and opinions while affording himself guess-work, conjecture, opinion. speculation and his beliefs and presenting them as fact. While not affording you the same curtesy. He's a proven compulsive liar and a fkn fraud that makes it all up on the hoof.
You'll get used to in if you stick around long enough, Mall. He's frightened to death to discuss any of the gospels or the bible in general even though he tells us that he has;
"been taught to memorise the bible from and early age in ancient Greek and Hebrew languages" too.
It's his "definitions" default when he's in one of the many tight corners that he often paints himself into that makes me laugh out loud. He tells us that he doesn't accept definitions from "some dictionary". 😒
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@rosends
If you want to say that some sort of worship of a "Satan" character is anything then just call it Christian. Don't drag Judaism into this. In Judaism, Satan is an angel who works for God. There is no notion of Satan's being some opposing force worthy of separate worship.
Spot on , Rosie, The bible confirms what A Satan is. But Christians are far too ignorant or stupid to work that out for themselves.
I put this down to Pastors and Chaplains and Priests that promote and have promoted the BS story about "satan".
If we are to go by the Christian belief, then is all those believers have to ask themselves is: who the fk was satan that he believed himself to be in the position to test the character of the "son of God"?
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@IlDiavolo
Well, at least you're realizing that the biblical content is not reliable AT ALL because the scientific research you're mentioning is at odds over it.And I encourage you to keep questioning its content, this is the only way you can reach THE TRUTH.
Spot on. 10/10
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@Mall
Making a claim and preaching are two different things.#34
You are talking absolute bollocks if you actually believe there is a difference.
Nope. They claim there is a god. They preach about what they claim. They preach what god and his son and his son's disciples have to tell us. They also preach from a book that was allegedly "inspired" by their god. I.E. the very word of their god. And didn't Jesus say " I was sent to preach the the good news"? And didn't Jesus commanded his disciples to preach the gospels?
A theist can preach about God but necessarily make a matter of fact claim.
That makes no sense. Theist always present their god to us as a matter of fact. Because gods existence IS a matter of fact in their minds.
Unless you know of a Pastor, or a Chaplain that doesn't actually believe what he spews from his high and mighty pulpit at every given chance.
Why have you posted this in the Science and Nature sub forum?
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@n8nrgim
n8nrgim wrote @ Tradesecret; Yea but do u agree that literally the bible says we no longer have a legal relationship with God?
And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh. Genesis 6:3
Looks like god told us we are on our own.
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@n8nrgim
There's often people who come back from the dead.... they're dead or hours or days, as far as we know anyway, and still come back despite that it's inexplicable. Often there r stories of those in a morgue waking up. Or someone under water for half an hour. Granted it's very rare for a Christian to pray and bring someone back or at least the stories that we know of, and the stories r usually nde related... but it's not unheard of for extended dead to come back to life
And you have good reliable sources for those claims do you, n8nrgim?
Someone I don't doubt may be considered or assumed "dead" but they simply couldn't have been if they regain consciousness.
Dead means no longer alive.
Maybe we should leave the praying to those who just love that sound of their own voice and pray for the simple things in life such as:
Dear god, in the name of your Lord son Jesus please fix the church bells so my brother and his bride can have a lovely memorable day. Or just send us a free cherry picker so we can fix ourselves. You did it for this couple, Lord>>> https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10756-evidence-god-christianity-miracles-ndes-the-afterlife?page=1&post_number=12
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@IlDiavolo
Read this D. I suggest you hold your ribs whilst doing so.
The Revered just can't keep away from me even though he blocked me "permanently" .🤣
"Mock me if you will" - he says, He fkn needs mocking for all the bullshite he expects anyone here to swallow.
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@n8nrgim
Tradsecret wrote @n8nrgimSo here is the interesting thing. As we were closing the Board meeting, one of the local girls, prayed. And she asked God, to provide a miracle, to fix the bell, before the wedding. And I recall chuckling to myself. But I added at the end, that it's a good thing to ask God for such things. #12
🤣FFS!
No mention of world peace? Or feeding the starving? Housing the homeless? Dads operation to be successful? 😂
December 14 2019.
Church attempts resurrection of a dead two year old child, through Prayer
“We have a precedent” said Pastor Bill, “Jesus raised the dead”.
He said “there was no time limit on how much longer the prayers and singing would continue, but added that the child remained at the county coroner's office”.
Interesting that Jesus also commanded any one that followed him to:
“Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give”. Matthew 10:7-8 .
They appear to have done everything by the book too:
“'Since that night, and at the continued request of the Heiligenthal family, Bethel Church has hosted prayer and worship gatherings which consist of singing and prayer,' the church said in a statement”.
Interesting it is that the bible informs its adherents to continue praying! And to “never give up”. Luke 18.
The baby’s funeral was eventually held December22.
What happened here ? “Ye of little faith” or the wrong faith?
It appears that the only thing “raised” during this whole sad sorry saga was $62,000 (“unforeseen expenses” don’t you know) via a GoFundMe page. I can hear Pastor Bill sermonising Acts 2:45 as I write.
It isn't hard at all to find hundreds of cases where every single devout religious grieving parent was denied what they asked for in their payers.
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Tradsecret wrote @n8nrgimSo here is the interesting thing. As we were closing the Board meeting, one of the local girls, prayed. And she asked God, to provide a miracle, to fix the bell, before the wedding. And I recall chuckling to myself. But I added at the end, that it's a good thing to ask God for such things. #12
🤣FFS!
No mention of world peace? Or feeding the starving? Housing the homeless? Dads operation to be successful? 😂
Tradsecret wrote @n8nrgim. My son's best man's old man died in a tractor accident - a tree fell on him #12
FFS! Not even a request for a raising from the dead?😂
Tradsecret wrote @n8nrgim. It was God saying, "I like to please my people when I can". #12
"when I can". FFS! Mr Omni himself, doubting his own abilities!😂
Tradsecret wrote @n8nrgim. Mock me if you will.#12
Sounds like someone praying for victimhood?😒
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@zedvictor4
Good morning , Vic.
Hope you and yours are all well. Here its a lovely day for the pub me thinks.
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@Mall
Tradesecret wrote:@MallAdultery is a legitimate reason to divorce your spouse.
While King David (Son of God) had multiple wives and concubines.
Matthew 5:28 - "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
Hebrews 13:4 - "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge."
Matthew 5:27-28 - "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery."
Luke 16:18 - "Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from [her] husband committeth adultery."
Matthew 19:9 - "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery."
Seems to be a case of - do as I say not what I do.😂
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@Mall
Does said theist(s) have a burden of proof for the God they believe in
Of course they do. It is they that make the claim and have been preaching about him, his creations, his existence, his laws, his miracles, his wars, his jealousy, his anger gone to war on his behalf and command and all in all, his psychotic nature.
Why have you posted this in the Science and Nature sub forum?
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@n8nrgim
i dont like that the point is to satisfy God's wrath and blood lust.
Having been beaten to near death, nailed to a cross and speared between the ribs, doesn't seem to have "washed away the sins of the world", does it? So gods wrath wasn't satisfied by any means was it? Or was this waste of life only temporary?
And nothing you have posted so far goes anywhere near in explaining why any type of sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins was needed. Why couldn't your ever so loving god simply say - from this day on all sins are forgiven?
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@TheUnderdog
Well I know which I would prefer between a coal mine in Wales 300 ft below ground in cold, dank, worse than piss poor conditions the 1800's and the free country air in the sunshine in the southern states in the same period.
White privilege my arse! WHITE Children as young as five were working in these deadly mines and many WHITES died.
I encourage any black person to go visit Big Pit in Wales , its now a museum.. Its a frightening, eye opening, soul destroying reminder of our WHITE privilege.
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Stephen wrote: What is it with god and his BLOOD lust ?How does this appease and satisfy him?It ain't so much that blood lust satisfies God. It's that sin and death, took down Jesus, as Jesus chose not to fight back, and divine love brought him back to life.
It still doesn't explain why something or someone has to die in a blood sacrifice. Why not simply state and admit ones wrong doing and your loving god forgive the wrong doer?
You didn't address this below
n8nrgim wrote: The bible said Jesus nailed any legal requirements to the cross.
Where in the bible does it say this?
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@n8nrgim
i use two unconventional proofs for god. one is healing miracles, i dont see the kinds of miracles that happen to theists happen to atheists, or even non christians honestly, despite looking for that evidence and asking around.
First_ Define the word Miracle, and then give me your eyewitness account of such happening to theists?
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@n8nrgim
What is it with god and his BLOOD lust ?
How does this appease and satisfy him?
The bible said Jesus nailed any legal requirements to the cross.
Where in the bible does it say this?
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@RationalMadman
@WyIted
RationalMadman wrote: Show me these atheist people that beat up homosexuals, I'm not saying they don't exist I'm asking you to show me examples.
Silly request considering you don't deny "they exist". So why don't you show us your own examples of these atheist that beat up homosexuals?
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@FishChaser
such is the nature of the stupid.
Yep, there's just no cure for stupid, FC.😒
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@FishChaser
Just make religion punishable by death imo.
But you are clever enough to know it's not that simple.... aren't you?
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@FishChaser
No he's[RationalMadman]not, he's just a pussy when it comes to disrespecting Islam because he's afraid of how extreme and violent Muslims can be.
Who can blame him?
"Can be"!? Followers of Islam have proven themselves to be violent defenders of their violent and vile ideology over and over again.
Write a simple novel and a fatwa is put on your head- Salman Rushdie... Draw a picture of Muhammad and you get riddled with bullets - Charlie Hebdo. Just not believing can get you your throat cut or head totally removed from your neck - Anyone not Muslim.<<< These are facts! So it is very rational to fear Islam.
What I find more "pussyfide" is our own Western Governments caving in to this intolerant vile ideology.
As the late great Christopher Hitchens warned a few decades ago- "resist it while you can before they take away your right to complain about it".
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@WyIted
WyIted wrote: Also why are you doing (PBUH) are you randomly Muslim now?RationalMadman wrote: Because it's what you do.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
So are you a Muslim now? was the question?
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@rosends
The two references you are looking for are not to be found in the written text -- they come from the mind of someone who hasn't heard a new joke in 50 or so years so he is injecting old jokes into his posts.
Yep. I got that, Rosie. Like the Jew that found £500 wage packet full of cash and complained about the tax deductions.< That is as ancient as Noah's dog.
I was wondering how long it would take before he realised he was being led by the snout.
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@FLRW
Well when we look at Luke's comment Luke 1:32-33
" He [Jesus the Jew ] will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
The expectation fits the narrative of Jewish expectation - only the characterisation doesn't fit a "turn the other cheek/render unto Caesar "Jesus at all, but appears to fit the nature of the firebrand John the Baptist who had actually fought wars and battles.... according to historian Flavius Josephus. Who incidentally, dedicates more time & words to the Baptist than the few words he dedicates to a claimed "son of god" Jesus.
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@WyIted
Also explain the following story found I exodus. #14 And God said to Moses. Here is your commandment .Then Moses interrupts God and says"how much does it cost "? God says "it's free Moses, the commandment is free""[A]Could you put up for me the verse from Exodus where we read Moses asking god this question? I need the context.It's part of oral traditiion, similar to the story of how the copper wire was invented by 2 jews fighting over a penny
You have categorically stated that it is to be found I Exodus". HERE> #14
Ok. So what is your source of the "oral tradition" to your claim that Moses asked god "how much does it cost"?
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@Mall
Well when Jesus speaks on divorce, like a well seasoned politician he doesn't actually answer the question direct.
In fact, the Gospels on a few occasions show Jesus to be a master at the non answer.
But generally, it appears that both god and Jesus were against divorce.
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@Mall
@FLRW
What's the point of this in relation to the topic?
Just following on from something that you requoted HERE>#23 . Which explains yet another glaring contradiction in these unreliable, ambiguous and confusing half stories that go to make up the scriptures. Didn't you notice the contradiction in the story?
Here; see if you can spot it yourself, Mall.
"Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, "Greetings, Rabbi!" and kissed him. Jesus replied, "Friend, do what you came for.""#23
Jesus Arrested. Matthew 26: 47-50
47 While he was still speaking, Judas, one of the Twelve, arrived. With him was a large crowd armed with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests and the elders of the people. 48 Now the betrayer had arranged a signal with them: “The one I kiss is the man; arrest him.” 49 Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, “Greetings, Rabbi!” and kissed him.
50 Jesus replied, “Do what you came for, friend.”
Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus and arrested him.
BUT there again we see another gospel contradict this and has Jesus identifying himself!?
John 18: 3-8New International Version
3 So Judas came to the garden, guiding a detachment of soldiers and some officials from the chief priests and the Pharisees. They were carrying torches, lanterns and weapons.
4 Jesus, knowing all that was going to happen to him, went out and asked them, “Who is it you want?”
5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied.
“I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.) 6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.
7 Again he asked them, “Who is it you want?”
“Jesus of Nazareth,” they said.
8 Jesus answered, “I told you that I am he.”
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@WyIted
If he isn't Jewish explain why he helped muhhamed jew God down to 5 prayers?
I think that was explained to you above by rosends Here> #9 " Moses wasn't "Jewish" because that label didn't exist then".
Also explain the following story found I exodus. And God said to Moses. Here is your commandment .Then Moses interrupts God and says"how much does it cost "? God says "it's free Moses, the commandment is free""
[A]
Could you put up for me the verse from Exodus where we read Moses asking god this question? I need the context.
And then Moses responds"I Will take 10 commandments"Why is a non JEW, jewing God into more commandments?
See [A] above. If you put up the verses you say are from Exodus I may be able to address that for you.
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@Mall
"Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, "Greetings, Rabbi!" and kissed him. Jesus replied, "Friend, do what you came for.""#23
Jesus Arrested. Matthew 26: 47-50
47 While he was still speaking, Judas, one of the Twelve, arrived. With him was a large crowd armed with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests and the elders of the people. 48 Now the betrayer had arranged a signal with them: “The one I kiss is the man; arrest him.” 49 Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, “Greetings, Rabbi!” and kissed him.
50 Jesus replied, “Do what you came for, friend.”
Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus and arrested him.
BUT there again we see another gospel contradict this and has Jesus identifying himself!?
John 18: 3-8New International Version
3 So Judas came to the garden, guiding a detachment of soldiers and some officials from the chief priests and the Pharisees. They were carrying torches, lanterns and weapons.
4 Jesus, knowing all that was going to happen to him, went out and asked them, “Who is it you want?”
5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied.
“I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.) 6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.
7 Again he asked them, “Who is it you want?”
“Jesus of Nazareth,” they said.
8 Jesus answered, “I told you that I am he.”
4 Jesus, knowing all that was going to happen to him, went out and asked them, “Who is it you want?”
5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied.
“I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.) 6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.
7 Again he asked them, “Who is it you want?”
“Jesus of Nazareth,” they said.
8 Jesus answered, “I told you that I am he.”
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@WyIted
Moses was Jewish
If he actually existed its debateable if Moses was even Israelite.
IMO, Moses was either, (A) Hebrew, (B) half breed Egyptian/Hebrew or (C) Egyptian.
My guess is (B).
But no way was he a Muslim.
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......Something He Must Have Known Was A Failure?
It is Generally accepted that Luke's Gospel was written AD 80–110. But whichever date is acceptable it stands to reason that Luke wrote his account after the crucifixion of Jesus. So why did he leave out the parts where none of the predictions concerning Jesus' came to fruition?
Luke 1:32-33 New International Version
The angel Gabriel appears to Mary telling her:
" He [Jesus the Jew ] will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
So with this in mind we have here a gospel writer, writing decades after the fact choosing to ignore the fact that non of the above ever came to fruition, why?
It all appears on the face of it that these predictions fit the expectations of a Messiah to the Jews of the time. i.e. A warrior that will reinstate the greatness of Israel. Rule over the "house of Jacob" referring to the 12 tribes that he come to reunite.
But as we see by the time Luke scrambled his gospel together two thing simply leap from it pages. 1st: he completely and utterly failed to fulfil the messianic role as per Gabriel's predictions. 2nd: early Christians such as Paul attempt to redefine the role of and expected messiah.
So it should be obvious to anyone that claims to have studied and had memorised the the gospel that Luke (writing decades after the fact) simply couldn't have invented the words spoken by the angel Gabriel. So why make up a prediction that had already failed!?
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@Mall
I bet you couldn't say anything to convince all bible believers to deconvert from said theism.
I agree.
But the Muslims are giving it a good try. They call it "re-verting". Because they are of the belief that we are all Muslims at birth and many over generations have "gone astray".. This is exactly what Jesus implied concerning the "lost sheep of Israel" that had been Hellenised over generations while under 400 years Greek rule.
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@Best.Korea
anyone who wishes to exterminate you is likely not your friend.
Yep. See #102 above.
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@IlDiavolo
You're [Tradesecret] practically flushing all what you said down the toilet.
As I said. He's far too stupid to remember his own bullshit or recognise contradictions... Even when he has written them in the same sentence.
Such as here>>
Tradesecret wrote; "Stephen is a A class bully but I am not the victim".#35
😂
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