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@TheRealNihilist
That doesn't answer the question. And doesn't make any sense either.Why would I make another thread just to hope to ask you a question?
I don't know. Why would you make another thread just to hope to ask me a Question? I haven't asked you to. I have asked a question that I cannot seem to find an answer to myself.
That doesn't answer the question either. Can you not stick to the question.Okay guess it is delusion. You just don't know what you are doing or aiming for.
Your not answering the question. Did you miss it again.
Well again, you haven't even attempted the question but posed one of your own that has nothing to do with the OP. This is how intentional diversion starts, by someone like you not even entertaining the question but prefer to challenge the questioner. You will then complain later that I keep repeating the question because you have chosen to ignore it altogether or have pretended not to even see it because you have buried it under piles of irrelevant shite of your own.I don't care about the question......it is yet another Stephen jerks himself with his atheism
I see. So you don't have an answer and you would rather disrupt the thread because you do not have an civil response of any kind, either.
Did you know that there was only recently (Added: 01.28.20 09:51PM) a notice to members of the religious forum. Can I suggest you read it especially the part concerning "increasingly vitriolic and more and more posts are coming close to and crossing that line". https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3621/moderation-notice
So you don't have answer and don't give two fks about the moderators fair notice.
because it is yet another Stephen jerks himself with his atheism. I can't believe how one note you are literally have atheism as half of your identity on this site and the other conservative. It must be so difficult to jerk off when you half of yourself is based on a non-belief.
That doesn't go anywhere near answering the question. Did you miss it again?
You simply do not have to comment on this thread and you do not even have to click on it to look at the content, you know its my thread, it has my name right next to its title like so; Author: Stephen. but you just cannot help yourself, can you."if God is three and one at the same time, who was the God in Heaven within three days between the crucifixion and the supposed resurrection"?So what you are telling me is that you wasted your time finding a quote you made only to literally not counter what I said.
No, what I have said is that you do not need to even open my thread because it is not as if you do not know who the author is, before you do. I have spelled that out for you very clearly. Would you like me to show you again how you can tell it is a thread of mine before you even click on it?
Please calm your ego,
Opinion and still failing to answer the question. Is there something the matter with you?
How many topics have I commented on that was yours
I didn't count them,should I make it a point to do so for the future? And you are still asking questions of your own while ignoring the question in the OP. Are you sure you're OK?
or maybe that goes right over your head?
No. It is just that your questions are completely irrelevant to the thread. Or didn't you realize this while you were busy dishing out your vitriol.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I am of the understanding that the one god is made up of three persons. Ergo three persons one god. This is not to say three gods making one god although Christians can never seem to make up their minds when this subject arises. The saying ' God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit as three divine Persons in one God' must be at times problematic for them.
Who cares. I only want my question answered.>>> While Jesus god was lying down supposedly stone cold dead, who was reigning in heaven while he was taking this three day rest?
Of course, there are just bound to be those Christians that will argue the theological trinity point simply for the fact that they won't be able to answer the original question.
Christianity.com has this to say on the matter:
"All Christians believe the doctrine of the Trinity. If you do not believe this—that is, if you have come to a settled conclusion that the doctrine of the Trinity is not true—you are not a Christian at all. You are in fact a heretic"[.............]
"We believe that the one God eternally exists in three Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; and that these three are one God, co-equal and co-eternal, having precisely the same nature and attributes, and worthy of precisely the same worship, confidence, and obedience. Matthew 3:16, 17; Matthew 28:19, 20; Mark 12:29; John 1:14; Acts 5:3, 4; II Corinthians 13:14.
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The Existing One.
Never heard of him/it.
So are you are saying that the god that you refer to as "The Existing One" was the god residing in heaven while the Christ god was laying in the tomb supposedly dead for three days?
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@Dr.Franklin
Peace between Israel and Palestine? How delusional are you?
There will never be peace in that part of the world while that mosque sits right on top of Temple of Solomon .
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@Mopac
I thought the question would be easier for even you to answer Mopac. I should have known better.
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@TheRealNihilist
You have made so many of these yet you still do.
That doesn't answer the question. And doesn't make any sense either.
Are you hoping to finally get the argument to become a Christian
That doesn't answer the question either. Can you not stick to the question.
or do you get a kick having the common Christians coming to comment on your topics?
Well again, you haven't even attempted the question but posed one of your own that has nothing to do with the OP. This is how intentional diversion starts, by someone like you not even entertaining the question but prefer to challenge the questioner. You will then complain later that I keep repeating the question because you have chosen to ignore it altogether or have pretended not to even see it because you have buried it under piles of irrelevant shite of your own.
Christians coming to comment on your topics?
You simply do not have to comment on this thread and you do not even have to click on it to look at the content, you know its my thread, it has my name right next to its title like so; Author: Stephen. but you just cannot help yourself, can you.
"if God is three and one at the same time, who was the God in Heaven within three days between the crucifixion and the supposed resurrection"?
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........if God is three and one at the same time, who was the God in Heaven within three days between the crucifixion and the supposed resurrection?
Please support any claims with factual evidence.
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@ludofl3x
Can you show me definitively where this has happened, like a thread you've made or participated in, where you tried convincing a fellow Christian that your way of thinking is correct, and theirs is the road to perdition, where an atheist just jumps on it and says "Guys stop having this conversation, you're not allowed"? Post a link, they must be easy to find.
I can't wait.
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@Mopac
If you or anyone else wants to eat a slab of hog ass, go right ahead. Lets not pretend that pork is good for you though.
According to some, beef is more dangerous to the human body than any pork meat. This risk of bowel cancer are more likely than when one eats pork. But this - I imagine - depends on what one wants to believe , just like the bible.
Lets not pretend that pork is good for you though.
Pork & healthy eating
"Not only can pork be lean, but it’s naturally rich in protein, low in sodium and provides nine vitamins and minerals that contribute towards good health and well-being"
Like I have said Mopac.
You should really try and take into consideration the times that these people were living in.
People eat pigs/pork all over the world, Mopac and all of the time and never fall ill because of it ....... because they cook it longer than any other meat depending on the cut . On the other hand, people still fall ill because of under cooked meat, any meant,
Way back then many simply didn't cook it long enough and ended up with a tapeworm the size of the Nile trying escape from their arse. And I am sure that I would consider pork and the man who ate it with said tapeworm hanging from his arse hole to be ' possessed ' when this happened. Yes Mopca, they really believed in possession too, along with many other superstitions.
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@ethang5
Do you even know what unclean means as used in the bible?
I would imagine it means - not clean - when spoken of in the context of food, which is the topic of the thread. Meat to be precise.
Then again, Muslims believe that I am unclean - dirty kuffar - and more unclean that even you! (Can you believe it!?) This because you believe in god and I do not in the same sense as you do. But that of course is a different context as to what is being discussed in this thread, which is meat.
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@HistoryBuff
There were massive protests about soleimani's murder. Did you not see those?
Yes I seen those protests and the out pouring of anger along with the usual flag burning accompanied with the usual screams of "death to America" by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard of Iran and members of its parliament.
I also seen thousands of Iranian and Iraqi civilians walking around the US flag Iraq and celebrating this butchers death.
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@ethang5
I did not say it was a single reporter, but that most reports were by a single reporter.
Stop with the semantics and your lies. This is what you have written at post 6 above:
"the vast number of those reports come from one person".
It would be nice to know how it is that you appear to have access to knowledge that only a moderator should have?
Here is your full post 6 quote in its full and complete context :
Added: 01.29.20 12:46PM--> @VirtuosoThanks, but since reports may not actually represent the CoC state of the board, and the vast number of those reports come from one person, I meant, when you examine those reports, has behavior improved or not?I will redouble my effort and encourage theists to do the same.
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@HistoryBuff
With what money?They are a large country with a big population. The US has been trying to destroy Iran for decades. They have been applying "maximum pressure" for a long time. It didn't work and it isn't going to.
Hadn't you been watching the protests and riots in Iran before Soleimani was killed? And have you not seen how happy they were when the news of his death broke? Iran is practically on its knees , you obviously just don't know it.
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@Dr.Franklin
Why become worked up over something that no longer matters?
Because it concerns the so called perfect god who can never do no wrong and is always right even when he is blatantly wrong, who contradicts himself every other verse and who, on the one hand is supposed to love us while butchering maiming, murdering on the other, and that also happens to be the god that all devout Christians believe in and worship.
Or are you suggesting that the god of the Old Testament is not the same god of the New Testament? Because they appear to me to be entirely different deities.
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@ethang5
and the vast number of those reports come from one person,
How would you know that to be the case? Are you stating facts.
I am sure that if it were only "one person" a board full of moderators would be able to handle it without having to issue this broad and collective notice.
So, could you put us all in the picture as to how you would have such first hand knowledge when the moderators have specifically stated that " Over two dozen of such reports" have came from the religion forum? Are you telling us that you have first hand knowledge that almost two dozen reports have come from one single poster?
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@Mopac
Have you ever seen pigs? Ever hear of pig toilets? How many diseases come to people through pigs? Do you think porkchops are good for your heart even?Of course pigs are unclean.
Your childish ignorance really amaze me Mopac.. You are just incapable of considering the times that these biblical characters were living in. They didn't have health and safety in those times, you see, Mopca and cooking manuals and recipe books weren't written.
People eat pigs/pork all over the world all of the time and never fall ill because of it ....... because they cook it longer than any other meant.
Way back then many simply didn't cook it long enough and ended up with a tapeworm the size of the Nile trying escape from their arse. And I am sure that I would consider pork and the man who ate it with said tapeworm hanging from his arse hole to be ' possessed ' when this happened. Yes Mopca, they really believed in possession too, along with many other superstitions.
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@BrotherDThomas
Mopac,Your New Testament Jeremiah passage states what I have been saying all along, and that is if one wants to be a true Christian, then they have to be Jewish, period! As we know, Jesus was King of the Jews, and Yahweh chose only the Jewish people to rule over from the beginning, and Jesus was ONLY sent for the Jews.
I keep telling them this , Brother but they seem to never see it.
In truth, they just don't want to believe it. Even Pontius Pilate agrees when he insisted the scripted acronym that he had written on the head board above the crucified Christ remains as it was written and unchanged:
IESVS NAZARENVS REX IVDÆORVM (Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum), which in English translates to "Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews".
John 19:21 Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The King of the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the Jews. 22 Pilate answered, What I have written I have written.
It was made clear to everyone so there could be no mistaking as to who and what Jesus was by the fact it was write in three languages.
John 19:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross.
And the writing was Jesus Of Nazareth The King Of The Jews.
John 19:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city:
and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.
Jesus would have been absolutely appalled at the fact that a whole new religion had sprung up in his name.
Therefore, what Jewish sect do you follow to be a true follower of Christ? The one that suits me is the old Pharisee Jewish sect.
Jesus was supported by some of the Pharisees. They had a lot in common with "the poor" celibates of the Qumran Community as did Jesus.
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@BrotherDThomas
Stephen,The perpetual RUNAWAY ethang5, aka, Popoff5, is doing the same insidious notion with me by using the term "they" and "we" referring to the entire membership in what they think of me. As if he has been given the authority to know this as actual fact, which is impossible. Again, ethang5 is who he pretends to be, which is embarrassing, but he has yet to realize this as fact.
Well it appears the "we" seem to care a great deal about you and your opinions and where you stand, in the Christian sheep fold, Brother. So much so that one of the "we" has taken the time to dedicate a whole thread just to you. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3595/is-brotherdthomas-really-a-christian
So congratulations on your debut for being singled out for such start treatment. But you'll have to go some to beat my record, Brother I believe I have had three threads dedicated totally to me.
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@ethang5
I didn't use the "we" genius,
When at first you don't succeed, lie and lie again.
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@Mopac
I am not calling you a liar Stephen, but I am saying that you are approaching the whole matter with an unclean heart.
Oh FFS stop it. You don't know what my heart is or isn't. Are you saying that every single person who - in your opinion - has the audacity to scrutinize and question these ambiguous half stories in the scriptures possesses " an unclean heart"?
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@ludofl3x
If you change the names to Satan, God and Job, suddenly you have a number of people, like Ethan, who seem to say no, this is totally fine,
Indeed. This is nothing short of religious fundamentalism with a default of " so what" and a shrug of the shoulders when asked these embarrassing prickly questions concerning the violent actions of this god. A god, it appears that had to prove something to a lowlife belly crawling serpent that had been condemned years before to eat dirt for the rest of its life.
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@ethang5
I have asked why is life so cheap to this god?
You have not shown that life is cheap to this God.
Oh I am sorry, did you miss this>>
Job 1 New International Version (NIV)
Prologue
1 In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil. 2 He had seven sons and three daughters, 3 and he owned seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred yoke of oxen and five hundred donkeys, and had a large number of servants. He was the greatest man among all the people of the East.
4 His sons used to hold feasts in their homes on their birthdays, and they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5 When a period of feasting had run its course, Job would make arrangements for them to be purified. Early in the morning he would sacrifice a burnt offering for each of them, thinking, “Perhaps my children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” This was Job’s regular custom.
6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”
8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”
9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”
12 The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”
Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.
13 One day when Job’s sons and daughters were feasting and drinking wine at the oldest brother’s house, 14 a messenger came to Job and said, “The oxen were plowing and the donkeys were grazing nearby, 15 and the Sabeans attacked and made off with them. They put the servants to the sword, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”
16 While he was still speaking, another messenger came and said, “The fire of God fell from the heavens and burned up the sheep and the servants, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”
17 While he was still speaking, another messenger came and said, “The Chaldeans formed three raiding parties and swept down on your camels and made off with them. They put the servants to the sword, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”
18 While he was still speaking, yet another messenger came and said, “Your sons and daughters were feasting and drinking wine at the oldest brother’s house, 19 when suddenly a mighty wind swept in from the desert and struck the four corners of the house. It collapsed on them and they are dead, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”
20 At this, Job got up and tore his robe and shaved his head. Then he fell to the ground in worship 21 and said:
“Naked I came from my mother’s womb,
and naked I will depart.
The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away;
may the name of the Lord be praised.”
22 In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing.
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@Mopac
He knew it was wicked to condemn God. To do such a thing is to choose death.
And to any person of conscience with a family would rather die along with is children. And I notice both you and Ethang Popoff have avoided the question concerning Satan? As you have steered away from the blinding question of why would god need to prove anything to anyone, never mind time one that he had condemned to eat dirt for the rest of its life.
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@BrotherDThomas
Stephen caught you in your blatant faux pas regarding the fact above.
Not sure what it is you're saying there Brother, but I did point out first that ethang - Popoff - 5 should speak for himself and not the whole membership when he used the inclusive "we" as if he had the agreement and support of the whole fkn membership here, which he doesn't.
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@Mopac
Stephen, your dedication to undermine the scriptures has compromised you ability to approach the subject honestly.
Simply show me where it is that you believe that I have been dishonest about these scriptures instead of accusing me in a veiled fashion of being a liar.
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@ethang5
Your argument is that you find God's action personally abhorrent. I'm asking you, so what?
Hahahahhahahahhahahahhah And that is your fkn defense is it ?? Your only defense for the actions of this self confessed jealous, warmonger god of war and the wanton and willful murder of these innocent children, for no reason?
I have asked why is life so cheap to this god? And You cannot explain it away at all and are left with one response, that is to ask me so "so what?"
Hahahhahhahhahahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhhahahahhahhahhahahhahhahahhah
You will be asking me next who am I to question your god.
Hahahhahahahhahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahhahahah
"So what"
hahhahahahahhahahahahhahhahahahhahhahahhahahhahahhah
Ted Bundy murdered over 30 women and children also for no reason.. are we supposed to say "so what"? And have your god resurrect him? I don't see why ever not, they are of the same fkn ilk.
"so what"?
Hahhahahahhahahhahahhahhahhahhahahhahhahhahahhahhah, my ribs fkn hurt. Hahahahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahah
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I ask, why should God follow your personal moral code? You claim I'm "attacking" you.
No. These statements below are personal attacks. One single and complete post direct at me personally.
Post 19 above
All such complaints boil down to is,"God don't obey my personal moral code."And the only question to that is, "So what?" This is "like" bacteria accusing the medical doctor of murder.If you ask Stephen what makes God's actions immoral, he will cite his personal moral code based on human suffering, and claim God is immoral for not obeying his personal moral code. But will also argue that there is no objective morality, all the while insisting their subjective personal morality should cover God!The hubris is astounding.
You make so many you just cannot distinguish the difference anymore and throwing in a " so what"" question does not disguise the fact that these are personal attacks directed at no one else but me. My word, you were even silly enough to show the whole world who these attacks were directed at?
I will keep log of the times I have requested I ask you to leave a thread.Wouldn't it be better to just post the section of the CoC where one must leave a thread when you request it?
So you are aware of that then. It states when "continually asked to leave a thread". But you choose to disregard it and ignore it all the same.
Keep going princess , You prove my case that you are a spent force every single time you post these days.
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@ethang5
So there is no need for this thread to continue at all really. So I ask you again. Please leave the thread .And I answer you again. No. You do not dictate where I go,
It was a polite request not a dictate. so you keep banging away . I have had my answer.
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@Mopac
It's about a monk
Did he belong to the same church as you? If not could you try posting something more aligned with your own church.
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@ethang5
You made this thread Steve.Your Post 18 above; are all personal attack directed at the person and not the subject matter of the thread.None of that was attacks, much less personal.
It is obvious you care not for the rules or the consequences of your deliberate actions.!!!!!
None of that was attacks, much less personal.
That will be for someone else to decide. You not have addresses the topic and it is clear to see. You wrote those comments directed at me personally. You will simply have to learn the difference won't you.
I ask you again to leave the thread.
DO NOT MAKE THIS A PERSONAL ISSUE.!!! AGAIN!!!!!!
I will keep log of the times I have requested I ask you to leave a thread.
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And you decide what is worthcontributing?
YOUR personal attacks are not contributions to the topic. Surely EVEN YOU know this, you do know this don't you?
The answer to the OP from those who have contributed has been pretty unanimous . The identity of serpent in the garden of Eden was Satan. You have said so yourself. So there is no need for this thread to continue at all really.
So I ask you again. Please leave the thread .
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@ethang5
Here is what I am denying.This seem a very bias and hypocritical statement coming from the Christ when we consider that he had surrounded himself with very rich and influential disciples.
Deny away. I don't care. It is clear that Jesus says one thing about rich men entering the kingdom of god yet on the other he surrounded himself with rich influential people.And he couldn't be more clear when he forces home the point, he says :
“But woe to you who are rich,
for you have already received your comfort.Luke 6:24
I have shown some of these rich and influential people and I have shown the worth of the expensiveness of oils and perfumes that the "woman of substance" showered on Jesus worth $30 grands worth in today's money. You can deny that too, but it won't change the fact.
You on the other hand although denying what I have wrote haven't produced a single piece of evidence that proves what I say yo be wrong.
So you don't agree though you have no evidence. ok. I don't care.
...according to YOUR OW FKN gosples. So stop with your lies .No need for vulgarity Steve. My gospel recorded someone as saying this, not that it was true.
Yes it does doesn't it although you denied that too didn't you? And now your really on the back foot and painted into a corner you are now questioning the and the point they may not be true? YOU WANT IT BOTH FKN WAYS!!!!
So you have said your piece and now you can leave the thread, can't you.
Good by princess.
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@ethang5
He behaves as if all his questions are earth-shattering for Christians. Dodging and preening till an answer is given that matches his pre-cooked agenda.Most times he bakes his fake "contradiction" inside his question with fakery and equivocation.What is Steven trying to do here? He thinks he sowing doubt. Think about it.The constant fake questions, the weird interpretations, the pretense not to see replies, the needless reposting of the same verses....Do you know any atheist more consumed with the minutia of Christian doctrine than Stephen?
All of your personal attacks from the above quote made at post 58 above.
Do you know any atheist more consumed with the minutia of Christian doctrine than Stephen?He behaves....all his...his pre-cooked agenda.....he bakes his fake....inside his question.....What is Steven trying to do...He thinks he....
All personal attacks with no relevance AT ALL to the simple question in the OP.
I ask you to leave this thread unless you have something worth contributing further to the subject in hand.
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@ethang5
...valued at 300 denarii...Valued by whom? Two days wages made Mary "rich"? So working for a week made a person fabulously rich? Do you read your posts before you publish them?
It was at least worth the equivalent of " a years wages" and could have been "sold for more" according to YOUR OW FKN gosples. So stop with your lies .
You just cannot face the fkn fact. You have nothing to dispute this so simply turn to telling lies. which of course is what you ALWAYS DO.
Mark 14:5 It could have been sold for more than a year’s wages
“Why was this ointment not sold for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three hundred denarii<<<<<<<<<<<<<< and given to the poor?”John 12:5
They were all rich and influential people , princess. There is no getting away from it. Yet your lord Jesus says this about those that are rich:
Luke 6:24
“But woe to you who are rich,
for you have already received your comfort.
This seem a very bias and hypocritical statement coming from the Christ when we consider that he had surrounded himself with very rich and influential disciples.And so far, you have dodged instead of addressing this lie.
I think it is you that needs to do some explaining. I have made my case and presented my evidence. You either simply debunk it with facts and not your beliefs OR YOUR OPINIONS! presented as facts.
Or leave the thread.
"I am not sure if Mary realized the significance of her action or understood that Jesus was going to die. She did what she did out of love and appreciation for Jesus who recently had raised her brother Lazarus from the dead. She broke the vial of perfume and poured its entire contents over Jesus’ head. She lavished the precious perfume valued at 300 denarii on Jesus. A denarius represents the daily wage for a laborer. In today’s value, that anointing costs approximately $30,000! Mary was extravagant in her adoration because in her eyes, Jesus was worthy … far more valuable than 300 denarii".
Give or take
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@ethang5
If you ask Stephen..... he will......his personal....But he will......his personal.....
Your Post 18 above; are all personal attack directed at the person and not the subject matter of the thread. You have done this simply to agitate and create your own argument, with me
Please address the topic and its questions . If you cannot do this . I ask you to leave the topic.
If you ask Stephen what makes God's actions immoral,
DO NOT MAKE THIS A PERSONAL ISSUE.!!! AGAIN!!!!!!
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@ethang5
Please see post 93 above read it carefully so you have absolutely no excuses
for the second time!!!
As far as I am concerned this thread is finished for me. So your responses directed towards me by you will go ignored.
It has bee suggested to me that I make it plain to you and ask you not to follow me onto any knew threads that I create. This is simply a request and in no way should be taken as an order.
Please do not take this as an order
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Cross-Thread Contamination - Cross-thread contamination is when a user brings up disputes...There was no dispute.
There was on that particular thread that you cut and pasted that quote from and you brought parts of that dispute to an unrelated thread. the best part is that you immediately did it again at post 90 and after it had just been pointed out to you that you had broken strict forum rules. Obviously you just don'r care about the rules here do you?
OR
You just cannot seem to grasp the difference.
Never mind. It is not for me to sort out, is it.
I do have to marvel at times how you continuously get away with completely derailing a thread that is dedicated to another subject and in this case a whole thread that is dedicated to another member -personally.
As far as I am concerned this thread is finished for me. So your responses directed towards me by you will go ignored.
It has bee suggested to me that I make it plain to you and ask you not to follow me onto any knew threads that I create. This is simply a request and in no way should be taken as an order.
Please do not take this as an order
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@Mopac
Humans have no value apart from God.
No kidding.
That is what this thread is about. It is about god who won't allow you to exist if you won't bend the knee and refuse to accept him and his dictatorship. it is also about a god that will kill you without explanation at the drop of an hat,only to prove a point . But you haven's explained why he is prone to do this,
And further to your statement that:
Humans have no value apart from God.
I asked WHY is life so cheap to god? I already know life has no value at all to god.
Yet Jesus says quite the opposite doesn't he? Jesus message is all to do with life and life giving, life saving and life sparing and of course life everlasting. Well these kids lives didn't last at all did they.
And how come Satan is getting off light in this story. He seems to be able to come and go as he pleases after being cursed - god knows how many years before - to spend the rest of his days slithering around in the dirt. How come he is here again, up right and on all fours just rambling around, talking with and having wagers with god?
Why would god need to prove anything to anyone? <<<<<<<<<< this is where all of your pathetic excuses and labored explanations all fall down.
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@Mopac
This is a really good sermon, you know.
Would you be kind enough to put the name of that particular Gospel writer and the chapter and verse to your post 61 above.
Sound lovely. I agree. The famous Sermon On the Mount that - just like most of the New Testament - makes absolutely no sense once broken down scrutinized
I intend to create a thread on this very item. I might call it- The Sermon On The Mount - Debunked!
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@Mopac
I believe I already pointed out that rebuking the woman after she already committed the deed is to dishonor her sacrifice.
Yes and Jesus also rebuked the person who rebuked woman didn't he. Justifying this wasteful action, by saying words to the effect that ' just for today, sod the poor' .
6 “Leave her alone,” said Jesus. “Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 7 The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me.
I don't see a showing of too much care concerning "the financial poor" there, do you ?
And there is this biblical fact;
Luke 6:24
“But woe to you who are rich,
for you have already received your comfort.
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@Mopac
Maybe that is just the issue you are having.
I do. With your gods attitude towards life. Precious Human life.
it is clear to me that you are very much unenlightened.
Don't try to make this about me. I can read!. You are trying desperately to defend this crime and are now taking the cowards way out of this blinding dilemma,because you have absolutely no way of excusing this vile and vicious willful act of unnecessary aggression that ended with the deaths of ten children and for no other reason but to prove a point.., This is all your gods doing.
These killings were sanctioned by god. your god.
LOOK>>> 12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.
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@Mopac
But it doesn't move from the fact that she, and them are rich. I ask you again
So what happens to Joseph of Aremathea and Nicodemus and the Fishermen who had their own boats and fishing businesses.
And the wealthy woman of substance liberally throwing extremely expensive oils that cost a years wages all over Jesus?
Luke 6:24
“But woe to you who are rich,
for you have already received your comfort.
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@ethang5
Hey genius, the cross thread contamination edict is not that comments you made elsewhere cannot be mentioned.
And you "genius" need to actually read the rules yourself.
You have brought an argument to this thread that has absolute no relevance whatsoever.
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@Mopac
It is not a sin to be rich.
I agree. Not in my eyes anyway. But Luke on the other hand seems to be taking a pretty dime view when speaking for Jesus here
Luke 6:24
“But woe to you who are rich,
for you have already received your comfort.
So what happens to Joseph of Aremathea and Nicodemus and the Fishermen who had their own boats and fishing businesses.
And the wealthy woman of substance liberally throwing extremely expensive oils that cost a years wages all over Jesus?
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@Barney
I successfully used the story of Job in a debate, to support the premise that Jesus and God are not the same:2. How many times does Jesus set innocent people on fire over nothing related to any of their actions? God did this (Job 1:16).Of course, I disagree with my own interpretation of it there, as much as I would repeat that.
I have always separated the Old and New Testament gods, while many Christians insist on them being the same. And I made it clear many times (especially when arguing with other faiths) that I believe that these are different gods.
I make the point at post 8 above, as I have had to do many times on this forum that those early Christians inherited the OT god when they adopted a religious ideology that they had absolutely no understanding about. And now, here in the 21st century it is all coming back to bite them, because today, we can read and write and think to question for ourselves unlike back then, in the days of Job or Jesus.
On the surface the NT projects a pacifist wonder working Jesus and this is the Jesus that most devout Christians prefer to believe and preach and project - while ignoring the fact that Jesus was strictly Jew not a Christian . They are unfortunately shackled with problem of an Old Testament Hebrew god that they should have cast off millennia ago.
This OT god has caused many problems for Christians today as they are left to explain away - excuse - and defend every single repeated murderous action (as in the case of Job) of this vile jealous god of war and intolerance. And some of these "explanations" and excuses are, at times , breath taking. imo
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@Mopac
It's really kind of silly to accuse God of murder. Murder is unlawful killing.
Is it? Are you saying that god had no hand in slaughter of job's innocent children? Because the scripture will prove you to be wrong.
Why not just accuse God of murdering everyone? After all, everyone dies.
Oh please! This is simple desperation of you trying to excuse the inexcusable.
Stop showing your very shallow understanding of what I am conveying here. Not all people die as the result of murder .
These children were willfully killed - murdered .
I have said to you many times; this is what those early Christians and you inherited when they and you adopted a religious ideology that you and they, had absolutely no understanding about. this is the god you have adopted. And now, here in the 21st century it is all coming back to bite you, because today, we can read and write and think to question for ourselves unlike back then, in the days of Job.
No, but it is silly to accuse The Truth of murder, breaking the law, or of any perversion. Perversion is deviation from The Truth. God cannot break the law, rather He establishes it.
I can only ask that you to read for yourself what you have wrote above in that^^^^^^^^^^^ quote.
A lot can be learned from Job, and that is why we still read his story today.
i think you mean - " A lot can be learned from [ the story of ]Job".
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@Discipulus_Didicit
It's okay though, he got a new and better family at the end.
Indeed . It appears that life was cheap to Job too. As he accepted compensation ( no doubt with grovelling gratitude) for any and all loses which included;
"14,000 sheep, 6,000 camels, 1,000 yoke of oxen, and 1,000 female donkeys". Job 42:12. And a much longer life than that of his own murdered children.
"And Job died, an old man, and full of days." Job 42 :17
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@ludofl3x
Couldn't the same thing be said about the truly disturbing tale of Abraham and Isaac? Why doesn't the all knowing god just know without the test is never clear.
Here in the story of Job we do have a god that actually did know the out come. He did know his servant wouldn't let him down and he did know he would remain faithful, but killed these ten children anyway. It was simply far beyond any all mental torture for the hell of it.
And there is the problem concerning Satan.
That same old serpent mentioned in Genesis 3:14 and “the ancient serpent” mentioned Revelation 12:9, 20:2. He was supposed to have been sentenced to crawl in the dirt "on his belly" god knows how many years before he appears walking around and talking with god in the story of job.
Job 1: 7 The Lord said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.”
Yes here he was just lolling and ambling about the earth and bored to tears and picking the heads of daisies by the sound of it.
Who knows, this could have all been concocted to occupy Satan and relieve him from his tedium for a while.
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@ethang5
Here is something you said once,As far as I am concerned he is trying to give his interpretation, without evidence.
That' s correct. I wrote that on ANOTHER THREAD just recently (see details below) And YOU yet AGAIN!!!! have purposely cross threaded topic which is against the forum rules that you continually seem to be able to break with impunity.
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