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@Mall
I'll address what you say after you answer this question."Hey are you the one that believes the lie Jesus wasn't mentioned in the old testament?"
Yes. But this thread isn't about fkn prophecy is it you complete and utter clown. It is YOUR own challenge to members to present what they believe to be their BIBLICAL contradictions.
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@Mall
are you the one that believes the lie Jesus wasn't mentioned in the old testament?
Are you the clown that believes there are no contradictions in the bible even after being presented with actual BIBLICAL contradictions?
I got nothing here that's contradicting here.
Then you are both blind and ignorant.
If you believe that there are no contradictions in the bible then you should have no fkn problem explaining away these contradictions that I posted ?#3
The women ran away from the tomb in fear after finding it empty and told no one, says
Mark 16:8 King James Version
And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.
Did they?
Matthew 28:8 King James Version
And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
And Luke's gospel reports the same.
Luke 24:9 King James Version
And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.
No one has seen god - 1 John 4:12 & 1 Timothy 6:16
There are over 100 verses that speak of people seeing god.
For example What about Adam? What about Eve? What about Moses? What about Abraham? What about Jacob?
So when you are ready.
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@Mall
I got nothing here that's contradicting here.
Then you are both blind and ignorant.
If you believe that there are no contradictions above then you should have no fkn problem explaining away these contradictions that I posted above, for us?#3
The women ran away from the tomb in fear after finding it empty and told no one, says
Mark 16:8 King James Version
And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.
Did they?
Matthew 28:8 King James Version
And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
And Luke's gospel reports the same.
Luke 24:9 King James Version
And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.
No one has seen god - 1 John 4:12 & 1 Timothy 6:16
There are over 100 verses that speak of people seeing god.
For example What about Adam? What about Eve? What about Moses? What about Abraham? What about Jacob?
So when you are ready.
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@Mall
One more chance.-List or state what you believe is a biblical contradiction.
You have already created a contradiction thread HERE> https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11743-today-is-sunday-were-going-to-sunday-school
Is this the limit of your creativity?
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@Deb-8-a-bull
The old book of god , ( wants , rules , and regs. ) doesn't cover the stuff we lot do now.Im sure ya cant help but feel that old god wants to tell you what ya can and can't with a shit load of new stuff that we have today.
Its as I keep saying, Deb. New age. New god, New laws and dictates.
Old god of the old age refuses to relinquish power to the New god of the new age with his new ideas, laws and dictates without a war, disaster , famine, starvation, disease and crippling inflation; i.e utter chaos.
Does any of that sound familiar, Deb?
The world/ mankind has been through this chaotic shite before, its that we do not live long enough to witness it or recall it.
We can be thankful that those ancients had the good mind to write down for us what had been before and what was to come for us in the future and we have new gods now they are called Corporations. And their new priests are called Government Politicians.
As you well know, Deb, I am not religious in the slightest, but there is a lot to be said for that old dusty book we know as the Old Testamant. Such as this:
Ecclesiastes 1:9 New International Version
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
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@Best.Korea
Isnt it amazing how Tradesecret would not be upset at all if her loved ones burned in hell?
It is odd but not when you consider s/he believes that anyone in hell deserves to be there. Especially atheist that he regards as mostly being "drug addled kiddie fiddler".
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@Mharman
All the more reason to spread the Word.
By "spread the Word" am I correct that you are referring to The Great Commission? Matthew 28:16-20
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@Double_R
YouFound_Lxam wrote: You don't get to choose a name and choose your own definition for it.Atheist: a person who disbelieves in the existence of God or gods: (Oxford Languages).Suck it up.Double_R wrote: Telling me I don't get to cherry pick my definition while you cherry pick your definition.
Yep, Double_R. He will make up his own definitions god and good and then deny that he did.
As he did here>>#61
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@Moozer325
I thought the Bible was supposedly written by god.
Supposed to have been, yes. It is also believed to be flawless. But as you know, anyone that has read it for themselves will find this clearly not to be the case Or simply ignore and deny the glaring and obvious.
If that’s just the Old Testament, there are plenty of contradictions there too.
For me, I have no problem believing that a character from ancient history existed named Jesus but that Christians have cloaked in a myth. Jesus was a Jew through and through and I am of the opinion that Jesus would have been absolutely applaud that a whole new religion had sprung up in his name.While I agree that Jesus probably did exist, he must have been going around claiming to be the son of god if everyone believed so.
Well not that Jesus himself is reported as directly claiming to be "the son of god". Christians scratch and scramble around trying to find verse/s that show Jesus was the literal and physical offspring of god and fail every time. And Jesus hints only one single time that he is "the messiah" as did many other before him claim the same..... and all failed. What Christians cannot seem to grasp is the fact the "son of god" is nothing more than a title, so when understood in this regard then yes, he was the "son of god". As was King David and King Solomon. In fact the whole of the Israelite tribes were called "the Children of god". And incidentally Emperor also means "son of god". It is a title.
I am sure there are millions of Christians that feel the same. But the problem there is that Christians, instead of researching for themselves, have been totally reliant on pastors and priests to do the "clarifying" for them And is all they have managed to do was dig the hole of ambiguity ever deeper.Yeah, sometimes I feel like that just because they have heard that there is an answer for the problems of God, they just assume that it’s an answer that makes sense, or works.
Well it has to be recognised that when in the RE class or in Church, students and parishioners are told which page to turn to, what chapter and verse to read and then the "meaning" is interpreted and explained for them. And this is where the rot sets in.
A perfect example of this can be found here and the pathetic and childish responses offered by YouFound_Lxam just a day or so ago. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11732-atheism-vs-theism?page=1
Its as I have already said , Christians that have never read or studied the bible for themselves are totally stumped for answers when challenged on the scriptures and or their beliefs and quickly start playing victim when caught cold and flat footed. They will try and palm you off with all kinds of shite. They will even deny what is actually written in their own scripture and redefine words in the belief that this will free themselves from the corners that they often paint themselves into and many will simply and blatantly tell lies.
Still, I find it all interesting not to mention very entertaining at times.
Nice to exchange with you Mooz.
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@Moozer325
My typo above.
The above reply to you here> #13 should read - "absolutely appalled" - NOT applaud, Mooz.
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Fair enough, but surely he could have anticipated that dialect and language would change.
You are assuming that there was something special about him, Mooz.
He was just a man of his time, Mooz. A man that believed or was led to believe that he was rightful heir to the throne of Jerusalem. But the authorities didn't agree and so, they nailed him up .
For his work to truly be prefect, he would come down every so often and clarify his word, right?
😂 well I suppose you are right, but he's dead as a door nail, Mooz. He was just a man. It is only Christians that believe he was divine and sent from "god" and became "god"....... and gone to "heaven".
The amount of problems that the contradictions have cause in that so many people don’t believe in him
Well I would agree if he was the divine being that the Christians have made him out to be. There are many contradictions in the new testamant that I have highlighted in the threads that I have created over the years I have been here. I have given two shining examples myself above at post #3
For me, I have no problem believing that a character from ancient history existed named Jesus but that Christians have cloaked in a myth. Jesus was a Jew through and through and I am of the opinion that Jesus would have been absolutely applaud that a whole new religion had sprung up in his name.
because of that seems like it should necessitate some clarification by himself.
I am sure there are millions of Christians that feel the same. But the problem there is that Christians, instead of researching for themselves, have been totally reliant on pastors and priests to do the "clarifying" for them And is all they have managed to do was dig the hole of ambiguity ever deeper.
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@Moozer325
Indeed. When Jesus speaks of being "one with the lord" 0r "I and the Father are one" it means nothing more than being in agreement.Well then why didn’t he say that he is in agreement with the father? The fact that he said that in such a way that people can reasonably get confused seems like an imperfection to me.
Language and expressions of the day, Mooz. He greed with his gods laws etc.
If you agree with me that a child rapists should be jailed for life then you and I would be "one", while there will be other tossers that are of the belief that said rapist can be "rehabilitated" and shouldn't be locked up for life.
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@Moozer325
But you can’t be greater than what you are, you can only be equal to what you are. If they are one, then there is not 1/3 and 2/3 thing, that line says they are one, expect they aren’t, except they are.
Indeed. When Jesus speaks of being "one with the lord" 0r "I and the Father are one" it means nothing more than being in agreement.
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@Mall
Please offer the book, chapter and verse and briefly state in your own words what the conflict is .
The contradiction/s should show themselves what and where the contradiction/s lies and without room for argument. But I don't doubt that Christians will immediately scream the word "CONTEXT" at the first possible chance when caught plainly flat footed.
So I shall start. The women ran away from the tomb in fear after finding it empty and told no one, says
Mark 16:8 King James Version
And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.
Did they?
Matthew 28:8 King James Version
And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
And Luke's gospel reports the same.
Luke 24:9 King James Version
And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.
No one has seen god - 1 John 4:12 & 1 Timothy 6:16
What about Adam? What about Eve? What about Moses? What about Abraham? What about Jacob?
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@YouFound_Lxam
But were you not adamant and say: "I'm not here to start a conversation about the Christain God, that is a topic for another time". #1And you brought up. If you were to continue to make comments and questions about Christianity, I would have not continued the conversation.\
I am talking about god. It was YOU that brought in and started to converse about the Christian god. It was YOU that spoke of the "sacrifice of his son" HERE>#60 Saying : "In Christianity God scarified his Son and put the burden of death upon him."#60
It was also YOU that brought into this conversation the CHRISTIAN trinity!! HERE> #48 saying: " the nature of god is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 persons in one nature".
But you haven't shown any evidence for god nor have you offered any evidence of gods morality?Two words:Moral Law
OK. Now let us see your examples of "gods moral law" and your sources.
Morality? You are going in circles. Simply saying god is good and "good is by definition is god" simply doesn't cut it ,my friend. You are making statements.God is good, because objective good can only exist if God exists.
OK. So again; show us examples of "gods good" instead of simply making statements and unsupported claims.
No/ But appears that you have done exactly that simply by telling us that the definition of "good is god".But objective good isn't a human category. If you want to talk specifically about objective good, then we aren't talking about a humanly made category.
OK, so show us examples of "gods good" with sources. You see, you keep repeating your claims but appear to be seriously lacking in supporting evidence.
No, I am asking YOU to show me evidence of gods goodness. You have made the claim that god is "by definition-good".Yes. Because in order for us to have an objective good, there must be an objective law, which in turn has to have an objective law giver. A mind before ours. A greater one. Therefore, God must obtain "goodness" in order for the concept of objective good to exist for us.
Who said "there must be an objective law"!?
Man doesn't even need to do good works in order to obtain eternal life.Which god has offered that?The Christian God, but we will stop it there because that's getting into specific territory.
So once again you have brought into this conversation the christian god. You see you attempted from the off to discuss "god" without discussing the "god" that YOU yourself believe in and follow. And have -or should have- come to the realisation that it is impossible for you to do.
Well it depends on which god you are actually referring , so wouldn't god the father of all mankind lead by example? Are we no to follow his example?Thats getting into specifics. I'm simply only arguing the existence of God in this forum. Not the specific one.
Ok. So where is your evidence for the existence of"god"? Up to this point is all you have done is make statements that simply don't hold water, ludofl3x has clearly pointed out the many flaws in your"arguments".
If I am to follow someones assumed "good nature" I would like to see some examples of what "good" is.Alright. God. There you go. There's your example.
But that is only a word to the atheist, it is not in any way, shape or form an example of "gods good nature" with evidence and sources. So where are the examples of "gods good nature"? And mores the point what are YOUR sources .
You are really stupid aren't you? Do you not read what you yourself have written?You can think my definition is bad.
So at least you have admitted that you invented the definition. AFTER asking me to Prove that you had actually had said that HERE> #60 Which I did HERE> #61
Ok, so show me examples of either these entities displaying their good nature? And from where you got your sources.I apologies for bringing up the Trinity. That is irrelevant.
Doesn't answer the question nor oblige my request for examples of gods "good nature" on display. You are making arguments and claims that god exists but when ask for evidence and your sources, you simply say "god, there you go". Do you not see how pathetic that is , not to mention childish.
But you haven't given a single example of either have you.Again, Triune. My mistake.
But you have just said the "triune" is irrelevant. It obviously isn't to you or your own beliefs is it? Otherwise you simply wouldn't have even mentioned it nor brought it into the conversation as an "example" of the "nature of god", TWICE! would you? HERE>#48 and HERE #60.
Look, you are a Christian, you started this thread with the christian god clearly in mind but for reasons known only to yourself have pretended it wasn't about the Christian god at all. Indeed, the first words you wrote in your op were:
"I'm not here to start a conversation about the Christain God",#1
If that truly be the case then which god did you have in mind consider that YOU have SPECIFICALY excluded the god of Christians?
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@YouFound_Lxam
What is sacrificial love?What did god sacrifice?In this specific case, it is sacrificing something that you love for the love of others.In Christianity God scarified his Son and put the burden of death upon him.
But were you not adamant and say: "I'm not here to start a conversation about the Christain God, that is a topic for another time". #1
"IF" ? Well, first off you haven't shown me any evidence of the existence of a god , good. loving or otherwise..We have literally been talking about evidence of the existence of a God. Morality. We are talking about that specific one right now.
But you haven't shown any evidence for god nor have you offered any evidence of gods Morality? You are going in circles. Simply saying god is good and "good is by definition is god" simply doesn't cut it ,my friend. You are making statements.
Second, you still haven't show a single example of god or his "good" works proving he is "good". What you have done is invented your own definition of the word "good" and asserted that the definition of good is- god.You're putting God into categorical terms.
No/ But appears that you have done exactly that simply by telling us that the definition of "good is god".
You're also telling me that in order for God to be good, he has to do good works?
No, I am asking YOU to show me evidence of gods goodness. You have made the claim that god is "by definition-good".
Man doesn't even need to do good works in order to obtain eternal life.
Which god has offered that?
So why should God be held to that standard?
Well it depends on which god you are actually referring , so wouldn't god the father of all mankind lead by example? Are we no to follow his example?
Heck, why do you have the authority to hold God to a categorically human standard?
Get the fk off your high horse sunshine. If I am to follow someones assumed "good nature" I would like to see some examples of what "good" is.
Also, you say I invented my own definition of the word God, then prove it. What is the definition then if mine is just made up?
FKME. You are really stupid aren't you? Do you not read what you yourself have written?
LOOK>>>
Stephen wrote: Define the word good, for us.YouFound_Lxam wrote: God.And I know that seems like I am joking, but I am not.God is the definition of goodness. He defines it. You can't get objective good from anywhere else. #40
Are you going to deny that you wrote the above?
Again you have only made a statement and not shown a single example of god or The Trinity and his good nature.You didn't ask me to show an example of the Trinity. You asked me:What is "his nature" and show an example of his good nature?I responded with the answer to the first question with:Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 persons in one nature.
Ok, so show me examples of either these entities displaying their good nature? And from where you got your sources.
How?To repeat myself:An eternal relationship.An eternal loving bond.
But you haven't given a single example of either have you.
Indeed they can. And without the interference or influence or command and instruction of a god.Without the command is correct, but the rest unfortunately no.God interferes in our hearts, and influences creation. He also instructs moral law, and that is what guides people to do good things.
You are simply making statements ........again. Where is your evidence that supports all of your claims and your sources?
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@YouFound_Lxam
That is a statement not a example. Can you give me an example of gods good on display?His sacrificial love.
What is sacrificial love?
What did god sacrifice?
And do you have any examples of how god represents or defines the word "good"?If God is the ultimate being and has full control over his creation, then he defines everything including good.
"IF" ? Well, first off you haven't shown me any evidence of the existence of a god , good. loving or otherwise.. Second, you still haven't show a single example of god or his "good" works proving he is "good". What you have done is invented your own definition of the word "good" and asserted that the definition of good is- god.
What is "his nature" and show an example of his good nature?Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 persons in one nature.
Again you have only made a statement and not shown a single example of god or The Trinity and his good nature.
His nature is love by definition.
How?
And can you name one ethical statement made, or one ethical action performed, by a believer that could not have been uttered or done by a nonbeliever.No. Because non-believers can do and believe good things.
Indeed they can. And without the interference or influence or command and instruction of a god.
You need to let that and your own reply sink in a while.
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@Moozer325
I’m an agnostic Atheist. I think it’s possible that God exists, just very improbable.My reasoning is mostly the problem of evil, specifically animal evil and natural evil.Divine hiddeness, inconsistency in revaluations and non-resistant non-believers also are good arguments in my opinion.
Nice.
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Define the word good, for us.God. And I know that seems like I am joking, but I am not.God is the definition of goodness. He defines it. You can't get objective good from anywhere else. He has his moral code written in our hearts.
That is a statement not a example. Can you give me an example of gods good on display?
And do you have any examples of how god represents or defines the word "good"?
His nature.
What is "his nature" and show an example of his good nature?
And can you name one ethical statement made, or one ethical action performed, by a believer that could not have been uttered or done by a nonbeliever.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Define the word good, for us.God. And I know that seems like I am joking, but I am not.God is the definition of goodness. He defines it. You can't get objective good from anywhere else.
And do you have any examples of how god represents or defines the word "good"?
And can you name one ethical statement made, or one ethical action performed, by a believer that could not have been uttered or done by a nonbeliever.
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@Double_R
YouFound_Lxam wrote: Atheism: Belief that no God exists #4Double_R wrote: this definition does not apply to the vast majority of people you would call atheists.#25
This, I am sure, is the universally accepted definition of the word and meaning of Atheist.
athe·ism
noun
- disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
So why doesn't it apply to the vast majority of atheists?
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@YouFound_Lxam
YouFound_Lxam wrote @ ludofl3x What do you mean by good?
Define the word good, for us.
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@YouFound_Lxam
I'm not here to start a conversation about the Christain God, that is a topic for another time. [....................................................................] The topic is Atheism v.s Theism. So, anything at all to do with that.Unless I am missing something, this makes no sense. How can you hold a discussion concerning Atheism v.s Theism when both sides are, or will be, arguing whether or not the Christian god exists?athe·ismnoun
As I said, God.Regardless of which one, we would still be discussing GOD!
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@YouFound_Lxam
I'm not here to start a conversation about the Christain God, that is a topic for another time. [....................................................................] The topic is Atheism v.s Theism. So, anything at all to do with that.
Unless I am missing something, this makes no sense. How can you hold a discussion concerning Atheism v.s Theism when both sides are, or will be, arguing whether or not the Christian god exists?
athe·ism
noun
- disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
the·ism
noun
- belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
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@Owen_T
Is the god of the new testament not the same god that commanded the slaughter of innocent infants in the old testament?
Not to my knowledge, but it is what Christians like to believe and have others believe. I have said many times that this is a rod the Christians have made for their own backs. They have adopted a god from a age they don't understand, from a culture they don't understand and from a society they don't understand.
Is god in the old testament not an all moral being and then became perfect and pro life after the resurrection?
Not to my knowledge.
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@Best.Korea
If Quran said this, they would say how Quran promotes violence. Bible is more violent than Quran, obviously.
As I have always maintained throughout my time here, BK. The Old Testament and the Quran are as vile as one another. They are both books of war and conquest and at the behest of their respective "gods". Both promote extreme violence. The difference is that the New Testamant appears on the surface at least to promote love they neighbour and turn the other cheek. And Christianity has gone through a reformation, something Islam cannot do.
Quran:
2:191 And kill them wherever you find them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah [Persecution] is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
2:192 And if they cease, then indeed, God is Forgiving and Merciful.
2:193 Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah [Persecution] and [until] worship is for God. But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.
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@Owen_T
Okay Christians, what's the context for those verses?
Unless you have the lungs of a Polynesian pearl diver , don't hold your breath.
Watch this instead : CONTEXT!
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@ADreamOfLiberty
It was hilarious to see (once again) how terrible Hollywood screen writers are as they tried vainly to finish it.
It was terrible. Certainly from half way through season 4 where it simply subverted the whole story from there on. Its a shame because the books are a brilliant piece of work. I would have gone as far to say a masterpiece but Martin seems to have abandoned it all together leaving so many loose ends ....... and his loyal fans high and dry. The House of The Dragon is just a pile of steaming woke shite , too.
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@Trent0405
I seldom read fiction.
Me neither unless it has bee bought for me by family.
But A Song Of Ice And Fire was something I couldn't put down. It a shame the author (George R. R. Martin) decided to take the piss and leave is adoring fans high and dry without an ending which I believe was supposed to be titled- Wind of Winter.
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@Best.Korea
99% of the population are already treated as cows, sheep and donkeys. And have been since the dawn of time , BK. Have you never read Genesis "there was no one to work the ground".I guess thats true. Looks like God of the Bible created man to work the ground and not to enjoy.
Its my own belief that we were created as a slave race. If we weren't created to do the bidding of the "gods" then that is what we have turned out to be .
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@Best.Korea
I mean, what good will aliens do? Exterminate us or treat us like we treat cows?
99% of the population are already treated as cows, sheep and donkeys. And have been since the dawn of time , BK. Have you never read Genesis "there was no one to work the ground".
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@jglover200
So does our free will mean nothing.
Genesis 2:17
So, is it "free will" when it comes with a threat?
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@Shila
All the above are what Christians and the gospels claim are all predictions made about Jesus over 700-800 years before his arrival.SO keeping in mind what you have said HERE>> #55 "Prophesies are fulfilled in the lifetime of the prophet who predicts it", if you have answered yes to all the above, then I will agree with you totally that they are not prophecies about Jesus.Did the disciples know that Jesus was going to die?
Yes. He told them directly as YOU clearly pointed out above. HERE> #49 have quoted Jesus predicting his own death directly to his disciples saying:
Mark 8: Jesus Predicts His Death
31 He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed....
And the BIBLE tells us that god his father had sent him to earth to be sacrificed.
Stephen wrote: LOOOOOOOOOOK THICKY 1 John 4:10 New International Version
10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
So it was gods plan, gods idea and gods will. So stop blaming the Jews and the Romans.
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@Shila
How many god days did it take to create the world and all that is in it?According to the Bible God took 6 days and rested on the 7th.How many god days was Jonah in the belly of a fish?According to the Bible Jonah was in the belly of the fish for 3 days.How many god days was Jesus in the tomb?Jesus was in the tomb for 3 days.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>God’s day refers to creation day. A day is equal to a 1000 years.<<<<<<<<<
My emphasis in bold, underlined in-between arrows
So then the answers should be:
6000 years
3000 years
and
3000 years, according to the Apostle Peter, Tradesecret and yourself. All of the above were done through and by the hands of god in his own time. Unless you are all going to backpedal on your own comments and claims.
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@Shila
Mathew's and Luke's did thicko. And YOU, in bold underlined above, have even quoted JESUS HIMSELF predicting to his disciples about his death.Jesus did not quote Matthew and Luke .
I know that stupid. But both those gospels quote Jesus.
AND YOU above HERE> #49 have quoted Jesus predicting his own death directly to his disciples saying:
Mark 8: Jesus Predicts His Death
31 He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed....
The new testament also cliams that
The gospels were written after Jesus’s death.
Ok. So are you saying that the gospels are unreliable as any sort of proof or witness of the life and times of Jesus?
Jesus quoted Daniel which was written 530 years before Jesus.
And who did he make those quotes to?
Prophesies are fulfilled in the lifetime of the prophet who predicts it.#55
I agree.
😂 You have made my day. So the prophesy Isaiah 7:14 of the Virgin birth believed by millions of Christians to be the foretelling of the arrival of Jesus 700 years in the future isn't true then? Well I can agree with that totally, Shila .
And what about the Apostle Peter, in his letter, directly quotes from Isaiah 53 when he discusses how Jesus bore our sins on the cross, emphasizing that Jesus fulfilled this specific prophecy?
is that all bullshit too?
What about the Deuteronomy 21:23 prophecy that Christians AND Peter claim was the foretelling of the crucifixion of Jesus being hanged from a tree?
Was that bullshit too?
And Zechariah 11:12 and thirty pieces of silver prophecy. Was that shite too?
AND what about ;
Silent before accusers
Isaiah 53:7
Betrayed by a friend
Psalm 41:9
Mocked and insulted
Psalm 22:7-8
Beaten and spit upon
Isaiah 50:6
Crucified with criminals
Isaiah 53:12
Hands and feet pierced
Psalm 22:16
Garments divided and lots cast
Psalm 22:18
Buried in a rich man’s tomb
Isaiah 53:9
Given vinegar to drink
Psalm 69:21
No bones broken
Psalm 34:20
All the above are what Christians and the gospels claim are all predictions made about Jesus over 700-800 years before his arrival.
SO keeping in mind what you have said HERE>> #55 "Prophesies are fulfilled in the lifetime of the prophet who predicts it", if you have answered yes to all the above, then I will agree with you totally that they are not prophecies about Jesus.
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Anyway, nice to see you taking up the mantle.
Luke 3:16 😊
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@zedvictor4
Hey, Stephen...Starting to sound like the Bro.
He's sorely missed. I wonder why he stopped posting here, because he was never banned...... officialy that is?
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@Shila
2 Peter 3:8-9 King James Version8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.Tradesecret wrote @Best.KoreaSoon, for God may well be thousands of years because God is not bound by the same time as we are. Hence, with the Lord, a day is like a thousand years.Stephen wrote: Well now we are talking of gods timescale of a thousand year day as compared to man's mere earthly time scale of 24 hour day:How many god days did it take to create the world and all that is in it?How many god days was Jonah in the belly of a fish?How many god days was Jesus in the tomb?Shila wrote: 1. 6 days.2. 3 days3. 3 days.
Not according to the bibles god "days" . Read above very carefully.
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@Shila
Stephen Wrote: But you were blaming the Jews for the death of Jesus when it was all gods plan as shown by the bible you absolute thick twat!And it was actually the fkn Romans that put him to death thicky!Shila wrote: The gospels were written after Jesus’s death and therefore not prophecies about Jesus’s life.Even the disciples did not connect the prophesies to Jesus even when Jesus predicts his death his disciples remain unaware of that prediction.Mark 8: Jesus Predicts His Death31 He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again. 32 He spoke plainly about this, and Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him.33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”
🤣Exactly. They knew well in hand that is was all gods plan.
Shila wrote: Even the disciples did not connect the prophesies
😂 Mathew's and Luke's did thicko. And YOU, in bold underlined above, have even quoted JESUS HIMSELF predicting to his disciples about his death.
It was all gods plan:
Stephen wrote: LOOOOOOOOOOK THICKY 1 John 4:10New International Version10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.Learn your bible you clown, You are beginning to come across like that other dense bible thicko, the Reverend Tradesecret.😂
Do you not believe the bible bible that you are so keen to preach to others, Shila?
Shila wrote: The gospels were written after Jesus’s death and therefore not prophecies about Jesus’s life.
😂 You are deserving of second place in the religion forums table of bible dunces.
Off you go now.
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@Shila
Stephen wrote: Jesus would have been appalled that a whole new religion had sprung up in his name and overseen by false Pastors and Priest as it was in his own day.Shila wrote: Jesus was appalled the Jews he was sent to save rejected him and even asked that he be crucified.
🤣 more absolute bollocks.But wasn't it all gods plan?Hadn't it all been prophesised ?Hadn't Jesus prophesised his own death?Didn't he say that all these thing must happen?Wasn't Jesus sent BY GOD HIS FATHER! as a sacrifice to save us from our sins?LOOOOOOOOOOK THICKY 1 John 4:10New International Version10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.Learn your bible you clown, You are beginning to come across like that other dense bible thicko, the Reverend Tradesecret.😂The gospels were written after Jesus’s death and therefore not prophecies about Jesus’s life.
But you were blaming the Jews for the death of Jesus when it was all gods plan as shown by the bible you absolute thick twat!
And it was actually the fkn Romans that put him to death thicky!
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@Shila
Jesus would have been appalled that a whole new religion had sprung up in his name and overseen by false Pastors and Priest as it was in his own day.Jesus was appalled the Jews he was sent to save rejected him and even asked that he be crucified.
🤣 more absolute bollocks.
But wasn't it all gods plan?
Hadn't it all been prophesised ?
Hadn't Jesus prophesised his own death?
Didn't he say that all these thing must happen?
Wasn't Jesus sent BY GOD HIS FATHER! as a sacrifice to save us from our sins?
LOOOOOOOOOOK THICKY 1 John 4:10
New International Version
10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
Learn your bible you clown, You are beginning to come across like that other dense bible thicko, the Reverend Tradesecret.😂
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@Shila
Tradesecret wrote: Of course, it is one of the hallmarks of Christianity. It has absolutely to do with Jesus.I said one of the hallmarks of the genuine Christian church is the Trinity. Trinity, is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.Shila wrote: Without Jesus there would be no Trinity. Without Jesus there would be no Christianity either. So Jesus is the hallmark of Christianity.Tradesecret wrote: Okay.
BS.😂 The blind leading blind. What a complete pair of clowns you both are.
Jesus was a full blown Jew. And if the bible is to be believed, he was King of Jerusalem and the Jewish nation. And "had come ONLY" to reunite the "lost sheep of Israel" and not gentiles.
If anyone created Christianity it was the liar Paul that would be " all things to all men"(two faced) going so far as to cut his hair (Jesus was a Nazarite) to push his own religious agenda. And of course there is Roman Constantine that found himself on the inevitable losing end of the for- coming battle at Milvian Bridge and that - Just like Paul - suddenly claimed to see "a sign" from Jesus thereby gaining him the support of the early Christian Church...... and its many followers, that would dupes aka Christian soldiers, Constantine's reinforcements.
Jesus would have been appalled that a whole new religion had sprung up in his name and overseen by false Pastors and Priest as it was in his own day.
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@Shila
Jesus proved the Jewish religion was no longer the path.
BS. Learn your bible.
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@Best.Korea
2 Peter 3:8-9 King James Version8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.Tradesecret wrote @Best.KoreaSoon, for God may well be thousands of years because God is not bound by the same time as we are. Hence, with the Lord, a day is like a thousand years.
Well now we are talking of gods timescale of a thousand year day as compared to man's mere earthly time scale of 24 hour day:
How many god days did it take to create the world and all that is in it?
How many god days was Jonah in the belly of a fish?
How many god days was Jesus in the tomb?
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@Shila
@Shila wrote: Are you saying the Aliens[god] chose the Jews as their entry point because the Jews are the most gullible race?
What do you mean by "entry point"?
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@Shila
Americans don’t want African blacks to dominate in Christianity. Americas history of black slavery would be a contradiction.
Let us see your evidence for that ridiculous claim.
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@DavidAZZ
The Trinitarian doctrine has TONS of holes when mirrored with the Bible.
And so does the bible as a whole.
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@Shila
The word trinity itself is neither Christian nor biblical..
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@Shila
There are already more Christians in Africa than any other continent—that’s not going to change soon.Don't kid yourself. Muslims are butchering African Christians by the thousands daily (over 60.000 in Nigeria alone) while the Western world ignores it and argues instead whether if a woman can have a pair of bollocks.That might explain why America is staying out of Africa and more involved in Ukraine and Israel.
No. It explains no such thing.
It proves that the Western Governments and media are ignoring the plight of African Christians that are being slaughtered in their hundreds of thousands by Islamists but are scared shitless to even mention the attempted eradication of Christianity. This goes further than simply "turning a blind eye".
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@Shila
There are already more Christians in Africa than any other continent—that’s not going to change soon.
Don't kid yourself. Muslims are butchering African Christians by the thousands daily (over 60.000 in Nigeria alone) while the Western world ignores it and argues instead whether if a woman can have a pair of bollocks.
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