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@Double_R
Averages are a better metric in many ways but the longevity aspect is crucial as well.
Then what is your preference for seasonal awards such as stat titles, totals or averages?
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@Mharman
bout 10yrs... past that I wanna see how many titles you've got, and your average stats, as well as the context behind them..Side note, MJ is still the GOAT.
Well totals provides more context (in a seasonal sense) did you know that MJ would have 11 scoring titles instead of 10 if it were determined by total points?
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@Mharman
I don't care much for longevity after a certain point.
What point is that?
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@Mharman
A factor in LeBron's records is his longevity. I think using averages would put things more in perspective.
But under the current system averages doesn’t favor longevity, a player that averages 29.9 in all 82 games can still lose the scoring title to another player that averages 30 in 58, unless you give a zero statline for missed games.
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Just recently, LeBron James reached a huge career milestone scoring 40000 points, congratulations to him but I can’t help but wonder why total stats aren’t celebrated more. The scoring, assist, rebound, steal, and block titles are all based on averages not totals. Should the league base averages on all 82 games as opposed to just the games the players play?
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@Critical-Tim
Would you care to share how I demonstrate cognitive dissonance, or just claim it?
I didn’t just claim it, I literally said what an example of objectivity was.
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@Critical-Tim
I had a previous discussion with "Athias" where we proved that objectivity is vague, useless, and unprovable.
Can’t help but notice your cognitive dissonance here because proof is a classic example of objectivity.
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@Critical-Tim
Moreover, if we were to assume objectivity was defined as the seeming consistency throughout collective subjectivity, we would still find value and meaning are subjective.
Why would we assume that?
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@Critical-Tim
As proven by my existence, some may accept subjective value as meaningful or worthwhile, while acknowledging an absence of intrinsic value.
Well the question as to why still remains, and there’s no way to answer it without pointing to some objective source which is the complete opposite of what nihilism is.
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@Critical-Tim
A common mistake is to think that nihilists feel that life is meaningless.
Do yourself and I a favor and Google the definition of nihilism, then get back to me 😉
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@Critical-Tim
In essence, I do not believe that anyone seeks pointless destruction unless they are either vengeful at existence or believe that the result of their actions will bring greater peace.
The means wasn’t the point of the hypothetical, it was to show you that not everybody cares about life, ever heard of nihilism?
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@Critical-Tim
I was under the impression that all hypothetical scenarios are derived from reality to answer certain circumstances, otherwise this discussion is pointless.
Suicide bombing is reality, you’re the one making a generalized notion personal.
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@Critical-Tim
Therefore, my belief is quite relevant, hypothetical or not.
That’s not how hypotheticals work, especially mine because I literally just made it up. You’re the one acting like it’s a real life person.
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@Critical-Tim
I do not believe that killing himself was part of the plan, although if he had known it, he may have still believed his efforts were worth his accomplishments.
It’s a hypothetical dude, your belief isn’t relevant.
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@Critical-Tim
We should care about societal peace because we care about having peace in our own lives, being we are indeed a part of society.
Not if your goal is to take as many lives as you can before taking your own, an example I’ve made countless times already.
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@Critical-Tim
Yes, I did say I believe morals are meant to cultivate harmony in society, and that we can determine true morals from false ones by whether they contribute to societal peace.
You’re starting a circle here because that just begs the question why should we care about societal peace?
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@Critical-Tim
What was meant to be about avoiding negative consequences?
You’re the one that first mentioned that argument and it’s simply not true if you take as many lives as you can before taking your own.
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@Critical-Tim
Earlier when I said, "if you accomplish your goal it doesn't mean you had a good life," I was giving the context of "a good life" in the emotional sense.
Well now you’re just moving the goalposts, at first it was avoiding negative consequences, and after I theorize a premise where that’s not a factor you talk about emotional claims which literally has nothing to do with someone who doesn’t care about anything.
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@Critical-Tim
Good is what is beneficial towards an entity. What is beneficial is subjective to one's goals.
This isn’t beneficial at all dude, you’re contradicting yourself left and right and you’re inability to see that is frustrating. I literally just linked good to goals and you rejected it just to do the same thing less than 3 posts later, give me a break.
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@Critical-Tim
If you accomplish your goal, it doesn't mean you had a good life.
Well if there’s no afterlife then who defines good anyway?
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@Critical-Tim
What I said was, we should act morally regardless of the existence of an afterlife because acting morally will have more positive consequences for our lives and acting immorally will have more negative consequences for our lives, as proven demonstrated in comment 187.
But what if your goal is to take as many lives before taking your own? The consequences if that goal was successful would then be irrelevant would it?
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@Critical-Tim
This emphasizes the importance of morality for psychological well-being, social harmony, and successful leadership, irrespective of an afterlife.
Well if there’s no afterlife then who judges well-being? And if there’s no after life then why should we care about harmony and leadership?
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@Critical-Tim
You have asked a great many questions; which one was the original?
If there’s no afterlife to validate everything we do then why should we care about anything at all?
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@Critical-Tim
Moreover, you have yet to ask me an infinite number of questions and cannot given your limited existence, proving that you cannot disprove my claim by asking many questions as long as my theory can answer them.
Well as far as I’m concerned you still haven’t answered the original question, because leadership isn’t of any interest to someone who doesn’t care about anything, so bringing that up proves nothing.
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@Best.Korea
Question itself doesnt refute anything.
No, but one can arrive to that conclusion by there inability to answer.
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@Critical-Tim
The mere fact that you can ask an infinite number of questions does not display fallacy on the opposing side.
It does if those questions are a direct result of question begging from the opposing side.
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@Best.Korea
Its tactic that uses infinite questions fallacy.
There’s no such thing, however the mere fact that I can ask those infinite questions only displays fallacy on the opposing side, and it’s called circular reasoning in case you didn’t know.
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@Critical-Tim
Did you read it?
I did, and all you did was rant about status and the like, but that still begs the question, why should we care about that?
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@Critical-Tim
What do you think?
I think this has nothing to do with what we’re discussing.
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@Critical-Tim
This is why I can only ask others to receive my words for their explicit meanings that I meant to be conveyed.
Well I’m no “religious texts” expert so you referencing it isn’t responsive to the argument I’m making (especially when you take into account the various different interpretations) I do however believe in a higher power, I also believe that what we do in this life (morality) matters in the next otherwise it’s fair to question why care about anything at all in this life?
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@Critical-Tim
I said I was referring to religious text in general.
But you weren’t, you were referring to The Bible.
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@Critical-Tim
Why do you think me referencing the Bible for moral questions is significant?
Because you said
I was referring to sacred text in general, not anyone in specific.
Last I checked The Bible is pretty specific.
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@Critical-Tim
I believe everything can be viewed as consistent and inconsistent given different scopes.
That doesn’t explain why you only reference The Bible.
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@Critical-Tim
I believe everything can be viewed as consistent and inconsistent given different scopes.
Care to elaborate on that?
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@Critical-Tim
I was referring to sacred text in general, not anyone in specific.
Then why do you only quote The Bible when referring to inconsistencies?
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@Critical-Tim
Cultural norm fluctuates, religious text has consistently been idolised by the majority of people throughout recorded history and various cultures, which I believe to demonstrate significance.
I’m not so sure about that, many people who claim to be religious have reservations about The Bible, not to mention there’s many other religious texts as well.
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@Critical-Tim
I said I do not believe cultural norm is much of an indicator, I did not say the majority of people.
Any culture concerning the majority of people is normal, anything significantly less would be abnormal.
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@Critical-Tim
I do believe it is a reasonable assumption to make for most people.
Most people huh? Aren’t you the one that said
I don't believe that cultural norm is much of an indicator
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@Critical-Tim
However, the larger picture includes there are many different individuals, which are treated by various different moral structures as demonstrated in the Bible.
How do you know The Bible is the foundation of objective morality?
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@Critical-Tim
I believe that morality is consistent subjectively, but objectively this would be an inconsistency because you're looking at a larger picture.
Then I guess that begs the question, what makes it objective?
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@Critical-Tim
The first example shows their actions judging the afterlife are inconsistent as one person doing an action gets a result and another person doing the same action a different result
I don’t believe this, I believe the same actions warrants the same results.
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@Critical-Tim
In the first case it was their actions judging their afterlife, and in the second it was whether humans always go to heaven or hell.
What’s the difference?
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@Critical-Tim
I believe that morality is consistent subjectively, but objectively this would be an inconsistency because you're looking at a larger picture.
The larger picture remains in the afterlife because life on earth is temporary but death is forever, and within that consistency is those that are judged good in this life goes to heaven and those that are judged bad goes to hell, sounds pretty consistent to me.
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@Critical-Tim
I apologize if I confused you, but I do not recall ever claiming the Bible is inconsistent.
Do you recall claiming this?
I noticed several points in the Bible where men make commit murder, and one is considered honorable and the other a horrific error, yet they killed the person in the exact same manner it just depended on who and why.
Or this?
For instance, it may be morally correct for one person to enter the Tabernacle such as the high priest where another individual is not allowed to enter the Tabernacle otherwise, they will be stricken dead by God himself.
What was the purpose of you mentioning this if not to claim inconsistency?
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@Best.Korea
So my morality is based on logic.
I never called you the owner of morality, get over yourself dude.
If X true, then Y is true" means that if Y not being true, then X isnt true either you know.
Where did I dispute this?
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@Best.Korea
That is not logic, but pure feeling. So the values are based on a feeling.
It’s logical to avoid a painful feeling in pursuit of a pleasant one.
Learn how "if" works.
I do know how it works, but clearly you don’t by misconstruing my words.
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@Critical-Tim
I don't believe that cultural norm is much of an indicator on the definition of God because cultural values are always fluctuating, and I believe that God is the way to live life properly, which I believe is not determined solely by cultural values such as hedonism but has a more fundamental concept that is consistent.
Consistent huh? Yet you want to nitpick scriptures from The Bible with the sole purpose of trying to demonstrate its inconsistency, perhaps you should be more consistent.
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@Best.Korea
Morality is not based on logic, you assume. Morality is based on person's set of values.
If it’s not based on logic then how does one go about answering the reason as to why they have said “values”?
Thanks for conceding that morality is not same for all.
I did no such thing, please work on your reading comprehension skills.
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@Critical-Tim
I don't believe that cultural norm is much of an indicator on the definition of God.
Why not?
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@Critical-Tim
I was using this example to show that language is able to capture concepts through the implementation of ambiguity that was demonstrated here.
Well perhaps you should use another, because most people I know have reached consensus on what the idea of God is and it isn’t as open-ended as you’re making it out to be, that includes atheists.
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