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@Sum1hugme
Because all effects have causes and morality is an effect that God caused.
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@Sum1hugme
Morality is proof of God’s existence because that is what He represents, morality.
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@Sum1hugme
Okay so what’s your thoughts on the moral argument?
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@Sum1hugme
You made the post specifically to scrutinize? Unless you have your own preconceived notions don’t you think it would make more sense to go about this with more of an open mind? Nonetheless I believe the moral argument should be pretty convincing, unless your a nihilist which I don’t assume you are.
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@Sum1hugme
Speak for yourself here, why should one expect scrutiny from YOU specifically?
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@Sum1hugme
So basically no matter what definition is provided your goal is to scrutinize it? How is that fair?
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@Sum1hugme
But you have an answer it just seems you disagree with it.
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@Sum1hugme
It reads like you believe in the existence of truth, but just call it god. But how is truth "god"?
How do you define God?
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@3RU7AL
Not really but it sounds pretty self explanatory.
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@3RU7AL
An individual's moral intuition is NOT empirically demonstrable (and or logically-necessary).
It’s necessary if the goal is to get to heaven and if you’re a logical person than it should be.
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@3RU7AL
Disagreement doesn’t mean subjective, people disagree on whether or not the earth is round or flat, it doesn’t make the issue subjective.
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@Theweakeredge
I wasn’t making any claims worth proving, your the one that’s claiming that subjective morality is based on well-being but even that’s a vague standard for the reasons mentioned above so even if I were to go the nihilistic route of dismissing morality as a whole, you’ve still yet to prove subjective morality.
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@Theweakeredge
Problem is existence isn’t predicated on what YOU mean, therefore the argument is moot jokes on you.
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@Theweakeredge
“There is no consensus around a single definition of well-being”
We’ve spoken on this subject before and every time I reference this quote it silences you.
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@Theweakeredge
Let’s assume for the sake of the argument that their is no objective morality, that doesn’t make it subjective it just means nihilism is true, so my question to you is what is subjective morality?
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@Theweakeredge
And I’m saying that y is true regardless of what one presumes, presuming otherwise is ignorant.
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@Theweakeredge
“but without that presumption, it isn't true. “
This is you putting ignorance and rational on equal footing, let’s go with the mathematics narrative that FLRW used what if I were to say 1+1=2 but without that presumption it isn’t, what would you say?
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@Theweakeredge
Yes it is because you’re highlighting ones ignorance which isn’t logical in the slightest.
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@Theweakeredge
No it’s still true because truth is still truth regardless of ones ignorance.
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@Theweakeredge
Let’s take a look at the examples you used earlier like rape and murder, those two acts are immoral and that’s true regardless of ones mind.
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@Theweakeredge
We as humans have the capacity to comprehend morality, therefore it’s objective because you can’t accurately articulate something that’s inherently arbitrary due to us all having different appeals of emotions, just as a thought experiment I’ll give you the floor and ask you to demonstrate subjective morality.
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@3RU7AL
Fine by me, zedvictor4 seems to think it’s more simplified then that though.
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@zedvictor4
As far as I’m concerned you’re disputing the lexicon not me.
Regards.
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@zedvictor4
I don’t see how that’s responsive but nonetheless I’m still waiting on support of your definition of belief.
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@Lunatic
“I am also in a conversation with Tarif, though I find his arguments rely a bit too heavily on semantics.”
It’s Tarik and what’s wrong with that considering words such as nihilist are semantical?
It’s Tarik and what’s wrong with that considering words such as nihilist are semantical?
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@3RU7AL
I’m sure many would dispute that.
If your asking me if I believe all people everywhere agree with me in regards to morality then the answer is no, I haven’t spoken to you in detail on this subject but if I were to take a guess I’m sure your among the group of people that disagrees with me.
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@3RU7AL
No I’m disputing the “morality” of said laws because what one may call moral another may call corrupt.
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@3RU7AL
What evidence is that? I’m pretty sure many would question the so called “morality” of these systems so it’s a bit disingenuous to deem it as evidence if looking at it from an outsiders perspective.
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@3RU7AL
I guess the million dollar question is how do we do so, some individuals are more privileged than others so they’re put at a certain advantage, for the ones that aren’t is it fair for us to judge them and write them off or do we find ways to rehabilitate and hope for redemption?
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We’re all products of our environment, but I would like to think we have some influence in our decision making because if we don’t then can we really condemn people for their wrongdoings? I mean if they were basically doomed from the start then they never really stood a chance.
BTW don’t you love it when someone ghosts you for being a stranger when last time you’ve checked they’re the one to first initiate contact? Weird, sorry that’s not the here nor there I digress to each their own.
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