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@whiteflame
If I'm right about your role and justification, then I believe it will be pretty good - in fact, it will have been the best I've seen so far based on what I suspect is his reasoning (not that we've gotten a lot of those, but even on my town reads, the Lucy Heartfilia = Dreamer and the Lucoa = Redirector both seem a little strange)
Unvote me, I'm the NP3 bride, but I'm vanilla right now since I'm prevented from using my powers, does that claim make sense to you?
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@drafterman
RE: That1UserHoly hell that OMGUS. I don't think I've seen a case this bad since the 1912 Spanish OMGUS epidemic. The only cure is VTL That1User
It's not an OMGUS, Speed legitimately has control of the town/votes, if he's mafia and we get him out then it's a huge win for town
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@MisterChris
If she flips town it won't be that big of a blow since she's claimed vanilla.
It would be a blow, I'm vanilla right now, wait to kill me
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@Danielle
A few of us have explained why we town read him, yet you swiftly moved off drafter and voted Speed. This was right after you said to look out for a whiteflame and Ragnar scum team in post 412, when in post #390 you said you "really believed" scum was between Chris and I
-->@Danielle@MisterChris@RagnarCan we vote That1 please?I legit believe scum is between them
I believed mafia was one of you, either you, Chris, or Ragnar, WF/Ragnar is also a possibility, Speed being the most significant possibility as he controls town.
So basically within a matter of minutes you called scum out between drafter, Speed, Chris, myself, Ragnar and whiteflame which is 6/10 of us.
I'm not discounting the possibility of mafia for anyone here, all those potential combos made sense to me, Speed is the most crucial potential mafia here since he controls town, if he is mafia then mafia has won the game. This was me pleading to get votes off of me because I know I am town to potential scum, I don't want to be mislynched and have votes wasted on me
Warren, Pie and WaterPhoenix are the only people you don't scum read. Why is that?
I had my vote on WP for most of the DP so clearly I scum read him, the Speed/WP connection is undeniable, if Speed or WP is scum then the other is likely scum. I believe Pie's vig claim and I'm null on Warren
How was voting for drafter a gambit?
It was a gambit to get votes off of me, cleary it failed, maybe it's good that it did
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@Barney
Yes it all makes sense 100% logic, so is risking a mislynch for another potential mislynch
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@WaterPhoenix
i mean, i'm willing to just lynch you today and if you're town lynch ragnar next dp
You're willing to mislynch?
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@WaterPhoenix
if that1 flips town scum is probs between wf and ragnar for leading the lynch on her maybe speed but i don't think so.
Look out for WF/Ragnar mafia team down the line, could be them, Speed is who is crucial now tho
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@WaterPhoenix
if that1 flips town scum is probs between wf and ragnar for leading the lynch on her maybe speed but i don't think so.
Personally I think Speed is leading the lynch here, he's trying to push the VTL over the edge to a lynch while WF is willing to go after drafter/an alternative target, Ragnar VTLd after some role analysis that didn't add up for him from his perspective, I wouldn't discount Ragnar as mafia though. There is a potential that Speed/WF are a team and Speed cleared WF but I find it more likely that mafia Speed took town WF under his wing, all three are possible
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@Danielle
@drafterman
@ILikePie5
We need to bring down Speed, Speed is obviously the thought leader here, if he's scum then mafia controls the strings of town and is leading a mislynch, shielded by me acting scummy af as a shield of plausible denialbility. Drafter you even said in #124,
Did Water directed Pie away from Speed because water believes Pie to be scum and Speed to be town, or did Water do it because he's scum buddies with Speed and suspected Pie of being an investigative role?I think it's clear that among this group we have a high likelihood of getting scum.
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@whiteflame
Unvote me, at this point scum can come in and mislynch
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@Speedrace
I'm going to sleep but That1 is definitely scum
I'm definitely not scum, you're either town who has gone aggro and thinking you're closing in on scum but are wrong or you're mafia gunning for a mislynch
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@Speedrace
She literally took an entire 180 and claimed to "always be wary of him" even though her cited reason was DANIELLE's reason for saying she'd lynch drafter, and That1 never mentioned it till after Danielle posted
You can townread someone and be wary of them, drafter's aggression made me outweigh him to town but I feared him, Danielle was the critical point where my mind was changing, perfectly reasonable for your position to change over time, I legit thought it was town vs. town but drafter being mafia is a distinct possibility, I'd rather go for someone who might be mafia (drafter) than me who is town
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@Speedrace
Besides that, town doesn't do gambits, only scum does
Town would do a gambit to save town, that's what I did, or tried to do, drafter said he'd gambit for probable scum, while you said you don't gambit, you're gambitting now believing me to be scum when I'm not, does this make you scum?
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@Speedrace
I can't believe she fell for this LOL I kinda feel badYeah she's scum
You really think after my catalysmic failure in the Civil War Generals Mafia that singlehandly endgamed the mafia that I wouldn't show more restraint? Get something from my handlers to not play like this?
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@Speedrace
-->@Danielle@MisterChris@Ragnar@warren42@whiteflame
You voting drafter was a gambit? - SpeedraceYesUnvoteIt was a gambit to get votes off of me to someone who's unknown to prevent a mislynch and get a semi-probable scum lynch. Lynching drafter would yield a lot though I'm not 100% if he's guilty or innocent here - That1User
I can't believe she fell for this LOL I kinda feel badYeah she's scum
Dude enough of this mass pinging it's like you're seething at the mouth for a mislynch drafter might be right about you being mafia
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I can't believe she fell for this LOL I kinda feel badYeah she's scum
Lmao how tf does this make me scum? Wanting to prevent a mislynch and redirect this to someone who has a pretty good shot at being scum?
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@Speedrace
You voting drafter was a gambit?
Yes
Unvote
It was a gambit to get votes off of me to someone who's unknown to prevent a mislynch and get a semi-probable scum lynch. Lynching drafter would yield a lot though I'm not 100% if he's guilty or innocent here
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@Speedrace
-->@Danielle@MisterChris@RagnarCan we vote That1 please?
I don't see why you're voting for me, I did everything you asked me to do, I gave you my character, I gave you my role, I gave you my justification, of course I'm breaking down! Why wouldn't I? No matter what I do I keep getting further and further suspected as scum when I'm town, you're even rallying 3 to lynch me off, why are you now leading a mislynch?
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And yet you're voting drafter
In a gambit that clearly failed, drafter is the great unknown here
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@Speedrace
-->@Danielle@MisterChris@RagnarCan we vote That1 please?
I legit believe scum is between them
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-->@Danielle@MisterChris@RagnarCan we vote That1 please?
I legit believe scum is between them
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@whiteflame
Speed could be NK'd, preventing us from gaining that bit of knowledge regardless, but even if we do, we only know you're one of three possible roles. If vanilla and a scum role come up, we don't gain any strong insight as a result.
Speed could be NK'd yes, hopefully there's a protection role on him, if he does dream me it's pretty likely he clears me, he cleared you with the roles he got
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@whiteflame
I'm still not convinced by your explanation. There are just too many inconsistencies in what you're saying. Besides that, even if you aren't lying, you were rather quick to change targets in an effort to get attention off of yourself. Maybe that's justified - you certainly picked a target you knew I would consider - but it just has me more suspicious.
I have an explanation, I'm only giving you what I have. Of course I'm trying to get attention off myself, I'm a huge distraction and a potential mislynch, you're wasting time and splitting the vote 2-2-2 by going after me. If we unite we can get out drafter who refuses to claim and declares he can't be lynched today. I townread drafter before for his aggression but was always wary of him this DP since saying he can't be lynched. Main reason I was going after WP was because I was convinced by his and Pie's logic but have since been dissuaded from that, would rather go with the knowns of me and WP then the unknown of draft.
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@whiteflame
I thought you said that your justification was that she’s suppressing her own power.
I am suppressing my own power, preventing me from using any power, making me vanilla
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@whiteflame
Also, I'm absolutely willing to lynch Draft today if there's enough steam behind it. So far, it only looks like we have 4 votes in that camp if everyone who has said they are sus of him goes that way. Need a couple more first. That being said, I'm not convinced he's the best choice anymore.
Drafter refuses to claim, says he can't be lynched today, leads the charge against Speed/WP, and I'm the best choice for giving a justification that doesn't make sense? Have Speed dream me tonight to confirm me being vanilla
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@whiteflame
That is a very strange way of saying you are vanilla. Being vanilla means you don't have night actions. In that sense, I guess the mod is preventing you from doing night actions, but people don't usually phrase it that way. Preventing from doing night actions usually means that someone is role blocking you. Now, why did you choose to frame it this way when that would just make you look less consistent in your role?
Because I'm being prevented? Rias is a powerful character and I'm prevented from doing anything making me vanilla
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@Speedrace
That logic makes no sense lol
Exactly why it makes sense, it's Supa logic, what roles/justification have made sense besides Luna's?
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@Danielle
I'd vtl you just for this. I don't understand why people think they can go around making declarative statements like this about what's going to happen in the game. If we vtl you for a claim and you don't claim I'm just gonna stop posting or refuse to claim for the entire game, just FYI.
I would too, the outright refusal to claim and saying "you can't lynch me today" especially is scummy af. Why can't we lynch drafter today?
VTL drafterman
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@Speedrace
Huh? There are other protagonists that aren't vanillas
Not all protagonists have to be vanilla, but it makes sense for two protagonists to be vanilla under Supa
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@whiteflame
@Speedrace
Lunatic's character is practically the protagonist of her show, but she's vanilla.
Lunatic was a main protagonist and is Vanilla
Using Supa logic, it makes sense for Luna and I to be both protagonists and vanilla.
I am prevented from doing any night actions
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@Vader
WF has his vote on me unless he unvoted and I didn't see it
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@MisterChris
This is a good point by WF. Makes a WP and Speed scum team seem pretty unlikely.
Unvote
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@whiteflame
I find that justification hard to believe... but it seems that's going around. Generally have a hard time believing that Rias Gremory was given "vanilla" as a role. Need to consider this.
YEah it doesn't make sense for me either but I'm prevented from doing anything, the restraining part is the only thing that makes sense here
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@Speedrace
I am Rias Gremory, despite being a powerful devil I restrain my power for the sake of love to Isekei, choosing to follow compassion and kindness instead, making me vanilla
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@Danielle
@warren42
that1user claimed vanilla. That's why whiteflame (I think it was whiteflame) said he could guess that1's role but not his affiliation. He said "I like ice cream" or something like that.
*"I love ice cream"
Said, "I love vanilla" because I got confused by the vanilla in Danielle's post and needed to go to dinner, back now
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@Danielle
that1user claimed vanilla. That's why whiteflame (I think it was whiteflame) said he could guess that1's role but not his affiliation. He said "I like ice cream" or something like that.
"I love vanilla" but you got me
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@Danielle
Not sure if I was role blocked - I was just told that my action failed.
What role action failed?
Role-blocker makes sense here since there's a redirector
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@whiteflame
I'd much rather rally behind a lynch this DP than fail to do so
I do too, who do we vote out?
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@Speedrace
Either you or drafter but drafter more since you claimed
Neither me or drafter will agree to this, what's your third option?
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@drafterman
Water or speed
Speed isn't going to vote Water or Speed, looking for a third option here
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@drafterman
@Speedrace
I townread both of you, drafter for your aggressiveness and Speed for your defense of WP, really seems like town vs. town differing on lynching philosphies and mafia is profiting from this division to avoid a lynch among them and coast by. Who are both of you willing to lynch?
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@Speedrace
lol Water not doing the optimal play does not equal Water being scum
Who do you think is scum given the evidence we have?
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@Speedrace
lol Water not doing the optimal play does not equal Water being scum
It doesn't necessarily but it does give pretty good evidence to Drafter's Water is scum theory
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If he was town and was suspicious of Pie, he should have redirected pie onto himself.
Holy Hell you're right
VTL WaterPhoenix
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@Speedrace
If you role claim now, then I can see if you're telling the truth
I love ice cream
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@Speedrace
Dream me if you think I'm scum, already character claimed
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