That1User

So why did you reveal you were the Bride lol. You’re contradicting yourself.

Your fault if that’s what you flip, not mine. 

If you had just stuck with your story about being Vanilla I probably wouldn’t be on you lol. It is your fault.

I did all of this in an effort to being killed, and I end up being killed anyway, the push for me to claim from you and Speed brought me down, maybe don't randomly claim pressure next time

Give us that flipppppp

If you flip town, it’s your own fault not mine, but I think you’ll flip scum :)

You didn’t reveal your true role, which is being dishonest. Like I said if you stuck to your story as vanilla then I would’ve been more supportive.

That’s exactly what mafia would say

i dID nOt LiE whEN i sAId i wAs vANiLLa

-->@MisterChris@warren42@WaterPhoenix@whiteflame

Any of y’all wanna get on and hammer so we can move on

You lied is the point. The fact you changed your story makes you scummier. If you just kept saying you were vanilla, I may have believe you. At this point, lynch all liars.

Lol you didn’t have to claim. You had like zero pressure on you to role claim. 

All mafia excuses

So you stay alive? 

So you stay alive? Its pretty obvious lol. You shouldnt have lied.

Lol that’s horseshit

I've generally been surprised that so many people have town read Pie, especially after that move. I'm more concerned with Draft in some ways, but I'm on the same page as you here as well. Don't think anyone should rule out Pie as scum or TP.

-->@That1User

I need to sign off but quickly why do you think redirecting a kill from Speed to Croc "bleeds scum?"

I need to sign off but quickly why do you think redirecting a kill from Speed to Croc "bleeds scum?" I have some concerns about WP but this is a very strong hunch from someone who wasn't really pushing this wagon at all this DP. In fact I don't think you mentioned WP until I asked you who you wanted to lynch just now, did you? And I thought you said you town read Water or at least he was only 1 of 3 people that you did not list in your scum pile earlier.

Ehh I've seen enough. I g2g so vtl that1user. Note there is a chance I am able to sign on again before 8 pm EST but I'm not 100% sure. 

 Who would YOU be willing to lynch and do you think you can convince everyone else to lynch that person within the next ~4 hours? Cuz I'm signing off soon. 

I don't really have a scum pile atm. I have a lean town pile and "people I'm willing to lynch this DP" pile, which you're in. 

Saying that Speed is scum because he persists in a vote that 3 other people share isn't a particularly persuasive argument to begin with, especially when there are yet more people waiting in the wings to lynch you now.

You would have to live to DP4 to prove your alleged role, which saves you from being lynched this DP and discounts you for consideration next DP. Depending on how many people are in the mafia, it could be a decent trade off to guarantee you living two more day phases, especially if we mislynch this DP and the next. 

 why do you town read Pie, warren and WaterPhoenix? I'm curious. 

Do you still scum read Speed? Who else?

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That1User [4/6] Ragnar, Speedrace, iLikePie5, drafterman

By Speed's own logic, he doesn't consider this a risk, and therefore not a gambit. You can claim that there's a risk, but you can't just assume his mindset to suit your point.

Maf didn't know he was vanilla, if they had they likely wouldn't have killed him lol

 What I do as town aren't gambits. Gambits involve some form of risk

I think you and/or Speed is lying about your role claims. You could be a scum team but I doubt it

This gives your Bride claim slightly less credibility when I analyze game mechanics. You lying about your role removes further credibility, and more than that you seemingly tried to soft claim vanilla which I find more scummy than claiming vanilla. Had you claimed vanilla outright I could potentially buy the argument that you were lying to hide your real role. However the fact that you soft claimed looks like you were actively trying to buy town cred and not just avoid being a mafia NK.  

I also think it's weird that your Bride role goes into effect on NP3. I've never seen that before regarding this role, and the only explanation is that it buys you time from being lynched. So all of these factors (game mechanics + your soft claim lie + convenient NP3 qualifier + you calling out everyone as scummy + you admittedly voting for drafter out of "panic" for a "gambit"  + switching to vote for Speed pretty quickly) makes it seem like we have no choice to lynch you. I personally have to cast my vote by 4:30 EST as I have an appointment this evening. 

What I do as town aren't gambits. Gambits involve some form of risk

Aight let’s see what you fuckers have been up to

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Point taken. I'm also just generally finding no reason to reduce my suspicions of anything from this claim. If That1 really had this role, she would have posted more of the justification to support it.

nd I can't fathom why she wouldn't have come clean on this sooner. She's not an NK target this early regardless (if her ability really didn't activate until NP3, they'd be in no rush), and the lynch is a far more proximal threat.

But I really don't get this. You're outright telling us you CANNOT CONFIRM UNTIL NP3. You're asking who we want you to confirm, but any choice we make won't matter until the next NP. Essentially, you're asking us to have faith that you are the Bride until then, and since it's now happening as part of the NP rather than the Twilight Phase, it's entirely possible that whoever you choose will be NK'd during that phase, making the choice moot. So, even if our goal was to try to uncover someone, telling you who to target will only make that person a target.

Obvs it doesn't make sense that she went from voting for drafter to immediately voting for you, and this after saying she was "SOFT CLAIMING" to you. She's basically saying she read you town enough to soft claim but then suddenly read you scum. It doesn't make sense that she name dropped reading 60% of the living players as scum. It doesn't make sense that she allegedly soft claimed Bride by saying she was into vanilla ice cream. It doesn't make sense that she claimed a twilight role (whatever that means) and there was apparently no twilight. But as a wise man once said:  "Most of these niggas gon' hang themselves, just give 'em the rope and see." So I'm questioning and watching this all unfold. I'm also looking for other people's reactions to her posts but shh. 

Feels like a scum gambit with advice from another player.

Lol I did do this in my last game so I'll give that to you. You're still scum though

This was NOT meant to soft claim Bride. I know that because Lunatic said this EXACT SAME THING in Drafter's game to claim vanilla. That1 was in that game

Third, Bride is literally a Twilight role. We didn't have a twilight phase yesterday, hence the role can't exist

See, it's the NP3 thing that sets me on edge. You haven't given us information in your justification that says anything about her taking a while to fall in love. There's no indication for why this is here whatsoever, and I've never heard of an ability that activates that late beyond JOATs getting additional abilities as the game progresses. Again, maybe that's just me being uninformed, but this is so weird.

So you think claiming to like vanilla ice cream is a soft claim for Bride. Interesting. At which point did you start to suspect he was scum? 

Did Water directed Pie away from Speed because water believes Pie to be scum and Speed to be town, or did Water do it because he's scum buddies with Speed and suspected Pie of being an investigative role?

I think it's clear that among this group we have a high likelihood of getting scum.

 It could be an interesting way to "confirm" 2 townies if we let her live.

Hmm. And this would be another investigative role of sorts... not sure I buy it. Lemme think. Kinda scummy af she outs this info now. Another "gambit?" 

I said "I love icecream"

Icecream being a reference to vanilla, love being a reference to marriage

The Bride role isn't protective. It's informative, but not protective. Really don't get this point.

We called you out on being vanilla many times. We've been doing this for almost 24 hours, and only now you see fit to clarify that you're not actually vanilla? It's a lie, dude. Even a power role that activates later is definitely not vanilla. You should have clarified ages ago.

The issue here is that this makes sense whether you're scum or town. Don't see why this favors you being town just because you claimed when under substantial pressure. Hell, the fact that you weren't hammered by lurking scum at VTL-1 actually makes you more sus.

Interesting. Why would the Bride role go into effect on DP3? That would essentially be an Innocent Child role cuz the Bride could theoretically prove their innocence by proposing to someone else. However if the Bride proposes to scum I guess they could get her lynched by saying she never proposed?

Alright, having read a bit of the role, I'm now even more suspicious of the NP3 element. Please explain how the role works and what you can do during NP2 and NP3, as well as what should happen after that. Your role should describe it. If I don't get a clear full claim that matches the role, I'm replacing my vote.

Two... you're an NP3 Bride? I'm not terribly familiar with the role because I've never seen it played, but you're roleless until NP3?

One, I'm not sure why you waited so long to claim this. You've been under pressure over your vanilla claim for quite a while, and while this fits more of what you've been saying

Bride is a powerful role. Does That1's claim add up? If so we can confirm it. 

All the confirmed characters/roles make sense to me, and it's possible that some town are lying about their roles for the time being, but I can't be sure yet.