That1User

Oh and @that1user you targeted MisterChris np2 which I thought was weird. Why not target Magic again? The standard caroler role makes you choose a different person each night, but I did not include that caveat. You should have picked someone you most read town and likely to live, which was Magic obviously. Not the person who just cc'd a power role lol. 

I would love to go back to White's prior games to see if he did that many scummy things. The list was extensive and was not limited to the low profile thing that you all were focused on. I also noted his logical inconsistencies, 180's avoidance, pushing lynches that he wouldn;t join etc. No one cared though. 

Water definitely cost Town the win. If it was anyone else Drafter and Whiteflame would be dead and I would have to wing it

Town (with the exception of me) deserved this loss, hard. It seems clear that for whatever reason, town had more respect for the reads and thoughts of literally every player but me,

I'd rather not answer this, I will confirm visiting magic though.

both the people trying to pressure drafter with me gave up easily  for whiteflame.

If Bullish was Town and thinks Magic is Town. And Bullish thinks Magic is playing suboptimally, wouldn't a Town Bullish give Magic that exact same advice?

VTL Water

Yeah, as I said before, WF seems to play kinda like me in this regard. 

Not convinced he is scum yet.

Because everyone online at that time, except bullish (whose vote I admittedly did not notice) was implying I am crazy and tunneling. I have continued to insist on WF's scumminess though and think he should be the lynch. I also think drafter is scummy though.

You ask after voting for drafter yourself lol

Is there anything objectively false with what Bullish said?

VTL Drafterman

Bruh you gotta play politics better than that. Drafter is currently voting whiteflame, your preferred target. If you want your wagon to be hopped on you can't just distance opportunistic allies like that. You know that I and like 2 other people have interest in voting white, that's 5 votes. After that you just need to bully 2 more ppl and u got a lynch.

 We just went through an entire game last game where everyone was bashing Water for not being able to come up with ploys like this. There was a whole thing were Water and/or Speed were suspected of being scum but it was dismissed because if Water was scum, his partners wouldn't have let him claim what he claimed.

-->@drafterman

Sorry, I face palmed so hard at innocent townie being anti-town that it went through the back of my head.

i was trying my best to not throw this game :(

Normally if this were a normal conversation, people are just adament on saying, they are scummy, we should lynch. But That1 is being extremely suggestive to them directly being a third party for an odd reason, without reasoning with the possibility that they are mafia. I find it peculiar to focus on a third party aspect versus using scum. Seems somewhat strange

I am literally not advocating my own lynch right now, though acknowledging that we will unfortunately have to lynch me sooner than later. 

I don't see it as nonsense because of ignorance. I see it as nonsense because of knowledge, the knowledge that I am town hated. 

Secondarily, I am rarely confident in my reads. When I am, I am most often correct. Unfortunately, the ability to read people is only one skill necessary in this game. The ability to convince people of your reads is equally important and a skill I seemingly have not mastered. 

I am not at all going hard against you. You seem defensive. I legitimized Bullish's statement and suspicion of your TP statement. I really only turned on you as potentially scummy when you said the mime nonsense, which seemed like a big brain brilliant scum move (in the context of me convincingly reading White as scum)

It's not enough to vote, but Drafter's posts have felt fluffy and forced. His primary contribution was discussing his theories on how my role should function. I also especially did not like the face palm comment about water's statement regarding Inno Child. Also, his theorization on the functionality of hated seemed to suggest scum hated would somehow be reason not to lynch or failed to factor in how if there is reason to think I am scum hated he should very much want me lynched. Mostly I want more contribution from him to better sort him and do not want him to fly under the radar, as he is seemingly doing. 

It is notable that White has disappeared likely hoping any heat on him will die down. He dropped one quick rebuttal and is now probably sitting back and waiting until it's safer for him to come back in. 

Now that I think about it, Lunatic is the one who manipulated you into thinking I'm somehow hard scum reading you, which is sus af. I have at least 2 ppl I'd rather push than you.

FOS

• whiteflame
  
• that1user 
  
• WaterPhoenix / Speedrace
  
• drafterman 
  

 but I too was suspect of That1 when they randomly brought this up, especially having contributed almost nothing outside of this random comment in the game at that point and for awhile after. 

How about this, I don't vote for you and you vote for water.

Can you explain the joke about why you said nightmare before christmas?

Please answer. Are you Nightmare before christmas?

That1, as scum,  claiming I am TP with White would really be a brilliant move. Don't know enough about That1 to know if they are experienced enough to think of that . But it would prevent me (a townie with a negative town utility) from being killed early enough to prevent the harm from my game mechanic and simultaneously save your scum buddy. If you are scum, I am impressed. 

I am HATED 

I am HATED so obviously I am discounting this ridiculous mechanic. No idea what a mime is, but I am not TP. Also, are you saying you now not only are saying there's one TP, but there are two?

They would plant the seed early, subtly, just incase it was narrowed down and they needed a lynch of said person later and needed to justify it.

 just to undermine the townread in hopes of a mislynch

Essentially, bringing up any baseless game mechanic is a scum strategy for distracting the town and throwing suspicion on a townie that otherwise appears town (because they are genuinely hunting scum).

2. Again if this is such a scum tell why aren't you pushing her harder for it and focusing on water?

And look, JUST as I make this post that1 is talking about TPs again!

What's your deal. First you want Supa's claim, and say you were willing to jump on any bandwagon to get more claims (though lots of claims were already out for scum to see). your defense of this tactic is "not playing passively?" Then when I push back on you a little more with that strategy you complete 180, are in "perfect agreement" and VTNL, the epitome of passivity.

Conversely, if White is town, I think Bullish is scum because he jumped on White so fast and almost came across like he saw White as an easy target. 

I cannot express how annoying I find it that this platform does not auto-quote people when you reply to their posts. 

wdym "what" is having a role that is literally town confirmed at the start and free np1 kill for maf not anti town

We should probably lynch me by next DP the latest. In addition to not risking being too close to MYLO, its unhelpful to waist portions of multiple DPs discussing my role and when is the best time to lynch me. It takes time and focus from sorting people. 

Got to say it... revealing your character does not mean you must also reveal your role.

I'm definitely scumreading That1 for the combo of shoddy role justification and sporadic behavior that matches her behavior in Civil War Generals mafia very closely (I should know, I witnessed the mafia end of it)

If she flips town it won't be that big of a blow since she's claimed vanilla. Furthermore, that would be good indication that Supa didn't make the best justifications in this game... So it will let us know how much weight to give crappy justifications in sniffing out scum. 

I'm seeing large upsides and not too many downsides, plus we need some PoE. 

VTL That1User.

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So? 

No you wouodnt lol. As I said, I’d probably not be on you if you stuck to your story