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@ILikePie5
I was literally just about to unvote after rereading DP1 because of Danielle’s last vote for whiteflame
I WAS SO PARANOID YOU WERE GONNA UNVOTE SO I VTLD ASAP
Fittingly paranoia ended Paranoia mafia
I wanted to preserve my mental sanity so I hammered and risked a chaos mime win, this game was an absolute mindfuck
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@Greyparrot
I'll take a TP win over a scum win
At this point town had zero shot at winning, Pie was way too trusted to lynch the popular, he was percieved as town confirmed all across the board
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@ILikePie5
I thought in the back of my mind "If you win this as mafia you are the greatest mafia ever"
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@ILikePie5
Well you should never act against your wincon but ok lmaoo
I wasn't actively acting against it, acted really illogically though and it came to defeat mafia
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Me acting scummy af denied mafia winning, because they thought I was tp they had an aversion to lynching me, allowing me to hammer vote WF as a vote
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@Greyparrot
I adopted your philosophy, I'd rather have TP lynch win than a mafia win
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Lmao I hammered bc I knew Whiteflame was either tp or mafia, if he was mafia it would be instant town win, (thought there would be 1 mafia left), if he was tp it would be an instant mafia loss, so the gambit was worth it. I suspected ILikePie to be mafia bc Supa being insane cop was still in play and feared there would be 0 shot to get him, I honestly thought Croc would be tp disguising as psychiatrist as an alt to WF, but nope he was mafia to my surprise
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@Vader
But you aren’t. That makes no sense. A Miller is a negative town utility that needs to be claimed DP1, yet you didn’t. You lied about a role. You’re scum
How am I supposed to know that I am miller DP1? I am vanilla, I win with town in my DM
The miller role is often hidden, I said I'm either miller or you're paranoid/insane cop, you're confirmed not paranoid now
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@Vader
Lol so you claimed Vanilla and now are claiming Miller? Why didn’t you claim Miller in DP1?
Because I see myself as vanilla, I'm inclined to believe I am vanilla
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@Vader
I COPPED PIE AS INNOCENT! THAT1 USER IS SCUM
Okay you're either insane and Pie is scum or I'm secretly miller
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@Vader
@Crocodile
Say your visits, WF isn't going to claim until you do
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@Vader
@whiteflame
@Crocodile
I will reveal my role after we have heard the results of both Crocodile's and SupaDudz's actions. Those could strongly inform what you hear from me.
I will ask this again to them
Croc, who did you visit/convert?
Supa, who did you investigate?
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@Greyparrot
I'm pretty sure supa is the last mime trying to get himself lynched through bad cop results.
This is bad logic, paranoid/insane cops get bad results and are pretty common, bad cop claims are a poor way to get yourself lynched because they are common, forgivable to town, and makes sense for this paranoia mafia, as Pie indicated. Supa wouldn't claim cop and produce results as TP
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@3RU7AL
Free will is an incoherent concept.Morality is indisputable.Science is not objective.
Depends what you mean by incoherent, free will doesn't make sense as an action or a concept to believe in? I don't believe in free will but I see why it's believed in
I think morality is disputable
Science is prone to bias/subjectivity, it's not completely objective but it's close
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@Discipulus_Didicit
The Singularity of technological development as it is usually depicted by people (a hypothetical point in time at which sudden technological growth occurs literally overnight or over the course of mere weeks, resulting in previously unforeseeable changes to human civilization.) is likely to happen at some point in the future. NOT a debate about whether this would be a good thing, just whether it is likely to occur.
I think this will be done within one year, probably over vital months of rapid development, especially on the iniation or ending of something significant like WWIII. I don't doubt the concept itself but the time frame of development.
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The basic idea is that life was initially composed solely or largely of RNA. There are actual subviral and non-viral entities that are solely RNA, so it's not beyond reason. RNA is also highly versatile, and can behave like a protein in some instances. In practice, this would have meant that randomly assembling RNA sequences eventually stumbled upon self-replication and went from there.
I find this insanely interesting that life potentially emerged as random sequences of self-replicating RNA, makes sense for life to emerge from it since RNA is in all living cells, does this posulate that DNA emerged with RNA? RNA's high versatility acting like and commanding protein furthers this ambiogensis.
More like "here's a contract for what you can do to me after I die," but hey, not knocking your quote.
Surprisingly both of these quotes are something my ex would say
MMR and TDaP
These two are effective against multiple life threatening diseases, it's rational to support them
That being said, there isn't an antibiotic that works against viruses. I would argue that they're a distinct form of life from cellular life, but still life.
Think I'd consider them life too
Part of the reason I like this debate is that it's got good arguments for both sides. I'd love to debate it one of these days. Only got to start one with bsh1, but he couldn't continue past the first round. Never came back to it.
We can do this debate, sounds compelling, needs to be finished, I'm willing to be pro here
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Or GP is secretly drunk and roleblocked Danielle's PGO bc reason, town screwing town
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@Speedrace
@Elminster
Can't think of why they would just bypass and not kill. Was thinking of to many big brain plays.
If GP is Roleblocker mafia could kill Luna, roleblock Danielle's PGO, then have town lynch Danielle upon Danielle's gun not killing GP
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@Elminster
I need someone to check every role and see if there is one that can block pgo
I'll check that
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@Elminster
There is a picture with all this. We checked it in detail.Depending on time conversion it's within 20 mins or an hour 20. Both are reasonable
You're right, it's 21 mins Eastern apart from the edit and the post.
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@ILikePie5
The time stamps reflect that.
Can you confirm the timestamps match GP's DP1 post #403 and the edit to the Hot Potato role?
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@Elminster
We haven't. I'm saying by that edit we know he's telling the truth about drafter editing the sheet. So they did in fact have a convo and he did in fact edit the sheet. Because it was the exact post gp said.The fact that he recalled it so vividly and remembered the exact time makes me inclined to believe him.
This is pretty compelling evidence, inclined to think GP is telling the truth now, though a mechanic may have been changed for another role, a potential scum role, unlikely but possible. Talking to the mod and disclosing could mean anything, but combined with the change in the hot potato edit it looks in line with his claim and what he said. GP disclosed right?
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@Greyparrot
@Elminster
#403In the first dp. Go knew exactly when he had a convo with drafter about changing the role. Drafters google doc reflects it was edited at almost the exact same time of that post
Sec talking to MOD ..might have to disclose some stuff
GP-#403 DP1
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@Elminster
I hate that I don't have access to the Google doc but I'm pretty sure there is literally no role that can neutralize pgo
I'm not even certain if there was a change, Pie's role quote was the same as mine after, only question is if that's the original
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@Elminster
I still buy gray parrot based on the time between the edit to drafters sheet and his post. Wanted danielle to claim before we got her , now it's obvious.
I'm confused, I didn't see a change of the hot potato role post between you quoting Pie on the role post and when I copypasted it at the present time, was that quote the original post prior to the edit or after?
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The definition of "life" should be inclusive of viruses.
I remember reading that antibiotics don't work because viruses are nonliving, and you can't kill a virus, I'd be willing to explore this further, think a case can be made that viruses are living but it will be semi-hard to prove
The use of antibiotics by health care professionals should be restricted.
The overuse of antibiotics causes bacterial immunity leading to stronger more resistant diseases, we're definately overmedicated, I agree with the purpose and theory of restricting them, but this would be a pratical nightmare to implement
Let anyone work anywhere.
Yes
This house would allow consensual necrophilia. (I just kinda love this - it shouldn't work, but it does)
"Please kill me and fuck my dead body"
Some vaccines should be mandatory.
Which ones?
The "RNA World" theory of abiogenesis is currently the most likely explanation for the beginnings of life.
Never heard of this, does this mean life arose out of pre-encoded RNA?
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@Danielle
Absolutely not. This is the dumbest advice ever -- are you noob scum?
This reads town to me
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@Danielle
PLEASE DO NOT LYNCH
I won't, there's no need, we have time
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@Danielle
Absolutely not. This is the dumbest advice ever -- are you noob scum?
I'm noob town, this would be the best way to confirm you're PGO w/out lynching you
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@Danielle
@Elminster
Bro we almost have a meta of claiming pgo and miller in reverse. My bet is she's miller and can't type until next dp
What is this meta? I'm guessing this is confirmed false now
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@Danielle
I'm 100% the PGO and did not receive any potato. I'm fairly certain GP is scum and didn't visit me cuz scum knows I'm not lying about my role.
Either you are lying about being PGO and GP is the Hot Potato or you being the PGO is truth and GP is lying about the Hot Potato.
I'm inclined to VTL GP this DP due to the ambigious nature of his role, any visiting roles should visit Danielle to confirm her PGO claim
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@Danielle
@drafterman
. The mod just confirmed to me that had someone given me a potato, they would have died
Is this true draftermod?
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@Danielle
Scum has an incentive to get me lynched cuz they can't NK me.
Aight, let's see who was pushing for you to get lynched while you were gone.
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@Danielle
@drafterman
DP is extended 24 hours
Nvm we got a 24 hour extension, you're good Danielle, thank you draftermod
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@drafterman
Is it okay if we extend this DP by 24 hours? Having it on Thanksgiving and Black Friday screwed activity
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@Intelligence_06
Lmao who are you talking about
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@Danielle
Yo a two day Day Phase over Thanksgiving is really fucked up lol. Obviously I'm with family for the weekend. I will absolutely be online within a few hours (before the DP ends) to read and catch up.
Danielle! You live, why didn't you kill GP as PGO?
It is fucked up, really should be 72 hours.
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@seldiora
- Does the real world need superheroes? (No, we need more heroes)
- Which movie is better in terms of characters and plot, Princess Mononoke or Spirited Away? (Need to see Princess Mononoke)
- Is it more likely that God exists, than not? (Yes)
- Should we encourage flat tax in the US? (No, increases poverty)
- Is it useless to try to prevent global warming? (At this point, maybe, not necessarily useless rn tho, there's still a slight chance to reverse it)
- The Iraqi war was regrettable for the US to participate in. (Who disagrees with this?)
- Trump is one of the top 5 worst US presidents ever. (Neutral)
- There is no better universal health care plan than ACP Outlines Plan for Universal Health Care. (It looks great, need to look into alternatives to see if it's the best plan)
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@MisterChris
- Resolved: The United States should increase its use of nuclear energy for commercial energy production. (Neutral, nuclear energy is good but the extraction of uranium is exploitative)
- Resolved: The United States federal government should prioritize reducing the federal debt over promoting economic growth. (Opposed, especially now)
- Resolved: The United States should end its economic sanctions against Venezuela. (Yes, economic sancations kill innocents, especially those who urgently need medicine)
- Resolved: The European Union should join the Belt and Road Initiative. (No, unless the EU wants to be indebted to China)
- Resolved: The United Nations should grant India permanent membership on the Security Council. (China will veto this)
- Resolved: The United States federal government should impose price controls on the pharmaceutical industry. (Absolutely)
- Resolved: The United States ought to replace the Electoral College with a direct national popular vote. (The NPVIC ought to be enacted)
- Resolved: The United States should replace means-tested welfare programs with a universal basic income. (Lean yes)
- Resolved: The benefits of the United States federal government’s use of offensive cyber operations outweigh the harms. (Neutral)
- Resolved: Violent revolution is a just response to political oppression. (Yes)
- Resolved: The US ought to increase domestic climate change regulations. (Yes)
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@whiteflame
I feel like we're missing key information that eliminating some will provide. There's a whole lot of second-guessing going on here despite some clear information because we don't know how paranoia is playing into this game. Maybe Danielle isn't the best source of that information, but I do think we need it to clarify things.
From pure PoE of info yeah, VTLing Danielle is the best action
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Hit me with your best debate topics, looking for unique/thought-provoking ones, may debate some of the resolutions.
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@whiteflame
I absolutely agree, though I think taking action at this stage is necessary.
Why do you feel that it's necessary?
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@Danielle
@whiteflame
I'm of a similar mind to what most of you have posted thusfar. I think Danielle is by far the most scummy, though I'd really like to hear from her before the DP is up. Assuming we don't, I will still VTL.
I hope Danielle comes this DP, don't want her to be vtld without explaining herself
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