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@Greyparrot
nah, dani will die
I'm guessing you intend to VTL her again, unless you're that confident in her death
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@Greyparrot
nah, dani will die
You sure about that? She might, might not
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@drafterman
It will be a NL
Looks like we're heading to an NL then
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@drafterman
Vote CountILikePie - 1/5 - CrocDanielle - 2/5 - SupaDudz, ILikePieThat1User - 1/5 - That1User
What happens if the DP ends with not enough votes to lynch, no lynch?
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Unvote
I don't want to vote Danielle until she role confirms
VTL That1User
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@Elminster
I just promise you as scum I won't take the time to go timestamp a drafter edit in a google doc and cross reference. This is shit I do in live mafia. Everyone who plays with me knows my town play
Honestly you're in a pretty prime position to win as mafia, you say WF bleeds noob-town despite Speed's counter of WF having uncharacteristically bad logic, getting him on your side, you ingriate the entire town to you leading investigations, you have fellow vanillas in your lynch pile, even me who you town read, and Speed for being vanilla. The dedication you have to town indicates you are town, but I will not be surprised by the Elm is mafia plot twist if it happens, I doubt this but it's slightly possible
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@Elminster
Lynch pile.UserSpeed
Turning against your fellow vanillas, I was paranoid of Speed not being a vanilla either, I know you town read me behaviourly yet will lynch me for utility but why Speed?
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@Elminster
Lynch pile.UserSpeed
Turning against your fellow vanillas, I was paranoid of Speed not being a vanilla either, I know you town read me behaviourly yet will lynch me for utility but why Speed?
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Mafia would want us to be as confused as possible, who's being the most confusing/obscuring info?
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@Elminster
I dunno if I'm willing to lynch. She can confirm this if we leave her alive. I want to move down the poe list
I agree, let's leave her alive for DP3 to confirm, who's next?
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I'm afraid this will end with us going nowhere and be completely lost like last time
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Lynching Speed is still on my mind, though I can't say he's done anything super obvious to make himself suspect since DP1 except maybe some behavioral stuff. I suppose it's possible that Speed is right about me, but Danielle has been the obvious target this entire DP.
It comes down to what lynch has more utility, Speed and testing Croc's psychiatrist claim or me and testing Supa's cop role
I endorse the "mod as mafia" theory. Now, how do we lynch him?
VTL drafterman
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@Elminster
11.24.20 10:03AM
One limited speaking. Ones participation affected. One watching.
Danny is second dp
Oh shoot you right
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@whiteflame
I invade lots of minds, and it certainly seems we're on the same level here. I guess it was always a shot in the dark who he would target this round, and Speed certainly isn't the worst target, but we haven't even gotten confirmation that there's a TP in this game.
Ominious, but yeah, weird how we're thinking simirarily despite being opposed to each other, maybe staying on the L-1 vote on Speed to hammer was the move, Speed being not being innocent assumes Croc is not psychiatrist and they're confirming each other as tps/mafia, alternatively Speed is right and it's you and Danielle.
I have another wild theory, what if mafia is draftermod?
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@ILikePie5
I’m honestly just ready to see the freakin flip. This game has mentally burned me out
For the sake of yours' and everyone's mental sanity I'm willing to be VTLd to prove my innonence and prove Supa's cop type if it comes down to that point instead of VTLing Danielle, really hope she comes on tho
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@whiteflame
We haven't gotten confirmation that Croc is actually the psychiatrist
Did you invade my mind and steal my thought because I was thinking the exact same thing, if Croc isn't the psychiatrist we're pretty fucked
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@Greyparrot
@ILikePie5
@Elminster
Per pieYou are the HOT POTATO. You start the game with a HOT POTATO. You win with the Town.NOTES:If something prevents the player from giving away the HOT POTATO (e.g. roleblocker, commuter, etc.) the HOT POTATO will be given to a random, targetable player (that isn't the player currently holding it). If no such player exists, the bomb will explode harmlessly in mid air.Note on timing: The player receiving the bomb during a Night Phase will be the one protected by it (killing their killers) not the person giving it away.MESSAGE TO PLAYER/MESSAGE TO TARGET"You have been given a HOT POTATO. If functions as a BOMB: if whoever receives this bomb is killed for any reason (except by lynching), their attacker will die as well. If they have multiple killers, one will be selected at random to die. You must give this HOT POTATO to another player during the next available night phase. If you do not, it will explode and kill you! (If you are Mafia, you may not give it to another Mafia player)"(If the target cannot be given the bomb): "You cannot find your target so you toss the HOT POTATO into the crowd!"(If there are no available players to take the bomb): "The bomb explodes in mid air!"
Present Hot Potato:
You are the HOT POTATO. You start the game with a HOT POTATO. You win with the Town. "If something prevents the player from giving away the HOT POTATO (e.g. roleblocker, commuter, etc.) the HOT POTATO will be given to a random, targetable player (that isn't the player currently holding it). If no such player exists, the bomb will explode harmlessly in mid air. Note on timing: The player receiving the bomb during a Night Phase will be the one protected by it (killing their killers) not the person giving it away."
Messages to Player
Messages to Target(s)
"You have been given a HOT POTATO. If functions as a BOMB: if whoever receives this bomb is killed for any reason (except by lynching), their attacker will die as well. If they have multiple killers, one will be selected at random to die. You must give this HOT POTATO to another player during the next available night phase. If you do not, it will explode and kill you! (If you are Mafia, you may not give it to another Mafia player)"
(If the target cannot be given the bomb): "You cannot find your target so you toss the HOT POTATO into the crowd!"
(If there are no available players to take the bomb): "The bomb explodes in mid air!"
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@Danielle
@ILikePie5
Both are TP part of a Cult
Anyway it must be said that knowing there could be a TP means the "mason" could easily be a cult recruiter. If ya'll are a cult, target me :P
-Danielle #484
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@Elminster
Vote
I'm here, internet went out, want me to vote or we wait for Whiteflame?
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@Elminster
This is really really really making me want to lynch danielle or gp
Let's go with Danielle, she clearly lied and Supa is on board to pressure her
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@Vader
Right now I wouldn’t be opposed to Danielle.
I'm also down to pressure Danielle, wonder if she will ever appear
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@whiteflame
I don't see any reasoning for why you believe he's a paranoid or insane cop, just that you think he "must be" for some unknown reason. For all your talk about my certainty, you seem awfully certain of what's going on with SupaDudz. Maybe it's because you are honestly vanilla town, but maybe not.
I am vanilla town, if he is cop, (which I believe he is since he investigated me previously when he was cop under the same reasoning), and his results are guilty for me, then he must be paranoid/insane cop by process of elimination, getting guilty for any investigation or guilty for innocents. I did not consider the possibility of me being miller until now.
Certainly wish I knew more than I do. That would make things a whole lot easier. I'm not one for subtlety (I think Elminster knows that all too well based on his having town read me), so if I did know something substantial, I wouldn't be hiding it behind my use of the word "definitely". Seems like a pretty ridiculous way for me to give myself away.
It does seem ridiculuous, which makes it a good cover, or it was a moment of honesty that you're trying to deflect from.
"Certaintly wish I knew more than I do" makes me think an inverse theory of you knowing more than you should, that mafia also has an informational defecit
. Still, I trust SupaDudz's read on That1, so that sets him above the rest in terms of priority.I don't know what to make of this situation with Danielle and Greyparrot.
The fact that you put me above Danielle who lied about her role (and GP, who also potentially lied) in priority is something...
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@Elminster
Can you clarify what you mean by that. There are conditions to your results
What? Miller appears to be vanilla town in PM but results guilty in vanilla cop reports, so either I am miller and Supa is vanilla cop or I am vanilla town and Supa is paranoid/insane cop
The tp appearing as a vanilla is very slight possibility, I never heard of this happening but it's technically possible, I will have to go in depth in the roles spreadsheet to confirm if this is a thing or not.
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@whiteflame
You're not contradicting the view that Supa is the cop, but instead targeting his behavioral analysis. I don't think that's the most important consideration here, and I think it's odd that you've chosen to focus in on that.
I already said Supa must be paranoid/insane cop in post #38 , suprirsed you overlooked that, I believe he's cop so I have no need to dispute Supa's claim any further, which leaves only his behavior analysis
So, yes, it's not definite, but you seem awfully defensive against my use of a single word.
I have every right to be defensive over "definitely", nothing is definite in this game, your certainty indicated you know more than town
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@Elminster
Are you third party. Please out if you are. We can convert you instead of lynch you and you will likely by the dp lynch with a guilty. It's no reason not to out at this point if you are
I'm vanilla, I win with town, the only way I appear guilty in lynching is if I'm miller. The only way I am tp is if there's a tp who appears as vanilla town in PM.
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@whiteflame
It looks like our suspicions of That1User are bearing out. The pure vanilla claim sounded sus from the start, though clearly, vanilla is an option for this game. I definitely do not buy that there are 4 of them, though, and we still have 3, all of whom claim to be pure vanilla. Still, I trust SupaDudz's read on That1, so that sets him above the rest in terms of priority.
Why are you so certain in a game of unknowns? Certain of Supa's reads, certain about the number of vanillas, failing to entertain that you are potentially wrong.
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@whiteflame
It looks like our suspicions of That1User are bearing out. The pure vanilla claim sounded sus from the start, though clearly, vanilla is an option for this game. I definitely do not buy that there are 4 of them, though, and we still have 3, all of whom claim to be pure vanilla. Still, I trust SupaDudz's read on That1, so that sets him above the rest in terms of priority.
You are way too observant to buy Supa's poor analysis of me, either you are lost or you have an active interest in disparaging me, why do you trust his read? The "definately" is concerning here. I entertained the idea that it's unlikely that there is multiple vanillas (even wanting to test your theory), but it's not definite, potentially there is 4 vanilla, especially in Paranoia mafia, why would anything be definite? You don't think there's a potential for 4 vanillas as a distraction from the mafia?
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@Vader
Even from behavioral analysis, That1 was very eager to jump on lynches for "pressure," which was the same logic he pushed in Civil War as scum. He was doing the same thing, but to a lesser degree and more subtly when the DP was starting to jump. Notice he went from me, to you, to whiteflame. He was trying to get a lynch off. Even if I am paranoid, I'm still willing to That1 off of behavior alone
This is a poor behavior analysis, I went after Speed to test Whiteflame's vanilla theory and unvoted after pleading to be vanilla, his confession was geniune to me and I believed him, unvoting at L-1 to prevent Speed's lynch. If I was scum I had motivation to keep the L-1 vote and urge someone else to hammer, but I unvoted to prevent a potential mislynch. I don't think I went after you Supa, you had a lot of pressure on you and I felt it unnecessary to vote you, I joined the ILikePie vote confirming he is popular, and confirming with draftermod the 6/6 counted. I voted Whiteflame when Croc was being voted, both didn't claim at that point, with Croc claiming later and Whiteflame refusing to claim until DP2. I found this refusal reasonable so I unvoted and VTNL, DP1 ending in VTNL.
The only place I was trying to get a lynch was with Speed, to see if there really were multiple vanillas, so many others went for Speed that he was L-1, and I unvoted after his plea, preventing his lynching. I got a lynch off of Speed by unvoting.
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@Vader
VTL That1
Got a guilty onm That1
I'm vanilla town, you must be paranoid/insane cop, I'm willing to be VTLd to prove this
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@Lunatic
vtl that1user
Why are you voting a vanilla town?
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@Speedrace
And if the message wasn't clear before, I AM A VANILLA. Nothing else, literally just vanilla. You can let mafia WIFOM that all they want but I am a vanilla point blank, and yes I fake claim as town but I don't think I've ever fake claimed vanilla as town
I am also vanilla, which is why I had a vested interest in testing Whiteflame's vanilla theory, now it looks like there are 3-4 vanillas: Me, you, Mikal, and Luna (mod), assuming all of us are telling the truth, which I'm now inclined to believe
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@whiteflame
I believe Speed already asked draft if a 6/6 vote with a gallis would still end the DP. Mod said that it would, which means it would have ended in a NL if he was the gallis, if I’m not mistaken.
Lemme find that quote
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@drafterman
f he was hammered he would be dead and the DP would be over. As I stated, I count all votes as they appear in the post. He literally, actually, really, truly, officially, authoritatively, had 6 out of 6 votes and the DP did not end. He was not hammered. He was not lynched. This is not a dream and the DP is still going on.
Thank you for the resounding clarification, no further questions.
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@whiteflame
I will let Luna speak for himself, wish he kept the vote for drafter to tally though to avoid this confusion
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@drafterman
What do you mean "officially counted?"
I mean being recognized as a hammer vote by you despite not making it into the tally
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@Lunatic
ILikePie received his 6th vote (by Lunatic) here:Which was immediately removed (and therefore wouldn't have shown up in a vote count)
Why did you remove your vote twice right before the vote tally? Did you fear dying if appearing in the potential hammer vote?
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@whiteflame
So iLikePie’s role was confirmed twice since the two 6/6 votes did not count as lynch votes.
Looks like it
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@drafterman
He was put back to 6/6 here:
Meaning the 6/6 vote officially counted?
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@drafterman
If 6/6 is reached, and you don't officially count the lynch vote tally as mod, does it count as a lynch vote?
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