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@Speedrace
Croc already revealed everything, nothing to pressure him for
Except for not defending himself, yeah I see your point
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But focus is clearly on Croc and getting him to out more. While I understand he's been lynched, the random focus shift is weird to me.
The focus being on Croc is precisely why I'm questioning Bear now, or was, because I don't really get this shift to Croc again to begin with, him not defending himself confuses me to no end though
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@Crocodile
WHy aren't you defending yourself why are you giving up with 1 vote away from lynching?
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@MisterChris
Well, that's all under the assumption he is town. If I can assume he is town and he still looks like a good lynch there is a problem.Frankly, I'd say there is a solid chance that he is mafia.
There's a chance anyone is mafia
If anyone believes Croc is/might be mafia they should vote for him
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But you thought that giving behavioral pressure is beneficial for the town. You may not have to vote him, but how come you aren't asking him as much questions and instead VTL'ing BearMan?
Because I felt BearMan needed to be questioned, I did question Croc, I'm asking him why he's not defending himself, I'm still asking that question
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@MisterChris
He won't even defend himself... Much less contribute and help find scum if he is town. We do not want a ELO (Eliminate or Lose) situation with Croc.
Your logic is sense he won't help town, and won't defend himself he should be vtld
I see where you are coming from, but i'm not entirely convinced of his guilt
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@Vader
How come you are not really pressuring Croc like you were pressuring Bear
Croc is one vote away from being lynched I don't think he needs more pressure
Bear only has one vote and that's my own
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@MisterChris
This sort of solidifies my position to me.
Wdym
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@BearMan
Existential Crisis
Fuck man alright, existence is pain, hope you recover
My vote remains we can talk more DP2
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@Speedrace
I agree
Hope town makes the right decision
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@Crocodile
Why are you accepting defeat like this this is sad
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Neutral on Croc so I'm not voting on him Idk how we got to this point again
His role is so obscure/niche it could be either
Sad he's not defending himself tho wish he did
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@TNBinc
On bearman, i'm not sure if he is town or scum.
I find it weird that no one is questioning him, he just says he's been thinking weird thoughts and everyone just let's him go then remains vague af
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@BearMan
Ok guys. I got caught up on the DP. I had some really weird thoughts today, and I was thinking about them (actually not lying)
What really weird thoughts were you thinking about?
VTL Bearman
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Unvote
Let Croc do his weird vouyer thing
I will wait for Mharman's post
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@Vader
I wouldn't classify that as pressure thought. That's more like, curiosity for town
That's what I mean by pressure though, pressuring someone to post, see why you use it differently though
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@Vader
But then again, if this person is put in the pressure, then outs himself as a power role, that means the town is now in a much bigger hole than they were now. I am not opposed to pressure at all, but in DP1, I think it should try to be avoided. In Naruto Mafia, there was a lot of pressure everywhere and that led to most of the roles being outed besides Doc and Demi God and Vanilla. That gave mafia a lot of confidence in general
Pressuring someone to post/give analysis is good for DP1 town, creates responses, forces someone to engage in a potential back and forth, allows/encourages further discussion based off of that. THe goal of DP1 should be to create posts and see how people behave, pressuring achieves that goal.
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@skittlez09
ive been blacking out, having ftigue
Hope you recover and the blacking out/fatigue ceases soon
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@SirAnonymous
I am hated townie because I was responsible for ordering Pickett's charge.
-Grey
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@BearMan
I don't think mafia will get much. If y'all could search up which front your General partakes in and say it, that'd be helpful.East Front.
We concluded we shouldn't be determining theme this DP, it's pointless, we should be determining behavior
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@Vader
I'm glad my analysis is warranting people to notice it
I'm glad your analysis is being written
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@Crocodile
hm ok
Why this inactivity?
Why this lack of defense?
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@SirAnonymous
Wall of text! Ahhh, aggression!I do agree with you, though. I don't want to lynch him quite yet. We've got more time, and I don't think we should waste it. However, if he doesn't start being more active and we don't get any good candidates for scum, I'd be willing to lynch him.
Best move here, we should keep Croc under the gun especially if this inactivity continues and no alternatives spring up
We do have time though so waiting the day out some more will be best, especially with Supa's oncoming analysis in 90 mins.
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@Vader
Thanks lol I'll be here in an hour and half. I'll make small comments but the big read isn't coming yet
Your movie gonna be 90 mins or is that the footage you'll need to edit down?
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@Vader
I'm rereading right now and gonna make a post, I'm doing shooting for a film right now lol.
A film? Sweeeet, hope shooting goes well!
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@Lunatic
How old are you? Do you understand how alcohol works lol
Lmao, he needs a word with General Grant
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Behavior is the best indicator of scum overall in DP1
Definiately, think the main behavior modes are active, evasive, and inactive
Top town read you and SirAnon for activity and analysis
Everyone else is neutral more or less with the exception of TNB1nc who is noob town
Still sus Croc the most because of inactivity/evasiveness
Want Grey to justify his claim like SIrAnon
What behaviors do you see
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@Greyparrot
What's your justification for Longstreet being a hated towny?
I wonder the same as SirAnon
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@Vader
I don't think it is good v bad. I also don't want to dive into theme split
We def need to go deep into player analysis
I read you as town
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@Lunatic
I think good vs bad is kind of a grey area in this theme tainted by modern biased outlooks on slavery.
I mean performance wise with victories and defeats, not in terms of morality
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@MisterChris
I'm going to guess Lunatic's inactivity is due to hangover LOL
Let's hope for his speedy recovery
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@Greyparrot
He was a very quiet serious person.
I see why he was
My dad talked to him at length as a fan and I mostly just listened. We were visiting one of the battlefields because my Dad was a Civil War nut and took us everywhere to all the battlesites from Vicksburg to Gettysburg.
This is amazing
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@oromagi
Foote is considered part of that generation of great Southern writers including Faulkner, WIlliams, Warren. He wrote as a broken-hearted Southerner whose analysis of race, slavery, Southern rights eventually challenges and tears down each of his deeply rooted patriarchal, romantic beliefs. Ultimately, his condemnation of Succession and modern racism is more authentic and personal than any other.
Faulkner is one of the greats, for Foote to be in his league in terms of writing must make him powerful, especially the way you describe his condemenation of someone who lived and fought for a justly defeated cause
When Foote says narrative he means it. The battles unfold with thrilling drama and detail, minor characters are constantly rising and falling. The writing is exquisitely clear and evocative. He did all of his writing with an ink pen.
This is the kind of writing I live for, rapid and high stakes w/ momentous character development via decisive action
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@Greyparrot
I met Shelby Foote in person in Mississippi as a teenager.
Holy Hell what was he like that's awesome
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@oromagi
Shelby Foote's "The CIvil War: A Narrative" is the finest history on the subject I've ever read.
How is this narrative focus written
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@Crocodile
There are 5 votes against you now when are you gonna come out of hiding
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@SirAnonymous
Let's avoid DP1 character claims unless absolutely necessary. Let's also avoid openly guessing what people's characters or roles are as well. That helps the mafia more than it helps town. (which isn't to say that I blame That1 for outing TNBinc's character. He gave it away.)
Got you, will avoid that now
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No it was Battle of Chickamauga. My character prevented it from becoming a worse defeat.
Hi Rosecrans
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@Vader
I also think as well coming closer to hints that can help us when going into L-1 to narrow scum so we don't blindly follow a theme that doesn't exist
Think I see what you're saying here, best initial move
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@Vader
I see the point with that but I disagree. In DP1, if scum obtains too much knowledge in game, they can have an easy path to win. I thought mafia would win in the Naruto game due to the outing of roles and such content overall. Scum team picked up on roles and claims and such and went with that info. The DP1 claims did nothing to help town and I don't think they will unless behavior is becoming a warrant for a lynch
By pressure I don't mean character/role reveals, I mean analysis in-game, responses too
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@ILikePie5
@Crocodile
VTL Croc
I want to see more of you
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@Vader
I have no inherent scum reads right now for the most part. Unless I see behavior that needs pressuring, there is no need
I see pressuring as an act of creation, it's a great way to create content and generate reads
Haven't seen much of Croc
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@Vader
I also think as well coming closer to hints that can help us when going into L-1 to narrow scum so we don't blindly follow a theme that doesn't exist
CLosing in on someone seems the best way to achieve this
Let's narrow our focus down to someone
Who needs to be pressured?
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@Vader
I think the goal is to set precedents of what isn't and what is
What isn't and what is? Like setting that this isn't Union vs. Confederacy?
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@SirAnonymous
There are too many generals who served in both theaters for that to work. Regardless, there's no way to figure out the theme in DP1. We'll have to see some flips, especially mafia flips, before that becomes possible.
You are my biggest town read so far, think behavior analysis is the way to go here
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@SirAnonymous
Definitely. The theme split is probably something more objective than good vs bad generals.
Something like what theater of the war a general primarily served in, East Vs. West?
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