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the only unknown is whiteflame's alignment, we only know by eliminating wf.
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joat is an inherently risky af claim, idefk if whiteflame does this as mafia, all we know we know is wf's role is 50% wolf. i feel okay killing whiteflame now.
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@ILikePie5
VTL That2Are you a stealth jet or not
i am the mig-21
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@ILikePie5
If there’s a scum vigilante, I’m going to riot
i was in a f3 with a scum vig, it is hell
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this is a weird af position since i townread luna, banana, me, liberty
liberty's protective role is weird af with ceu's protective claim i struggle to fully believe in it but his analysis looks like a town mind
banana just feels town
i am town
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ik i am town, if i die today everyone needs to go in with full faith luna is the dreamer, me being town ≠ luna is mafia
idefk where luna falls but i saw people wanting to kill luna if i am town, we either kill luna today or we never do it.
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i feel luna is the dreamer, luna needs to be the mafia watcher to see if anyone visited him in n1. luna feels town in play, especially in #203, why he scum reads me for being hyperfocused on him without reasoning. mechanically luna is the best elimination, we only know he is the dreamer if he flips.
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if luna is the dreamer then it indirectly implicates me, i want luna alive if i am mafia, i push banana/liberty
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i am town, luna is either mafia or gives us mafia, why tf is this play evil
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@ILikePie5
we in rolemadness, it is reasonable to believe mafia can stop town prs. in my last mafia game in mafiascum mafia had an ascetic + alien.Why through a roleblocker specifically though?
How else does mafia stop prs outside of roleblocking?
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@ILikePie5
No, it’s better to find the townies in the 3 people identified and lynch the scum.Why? This assumes Luna is town/dreamer.No it doesn’t. We can independently determine our reads and move forward from there.
Finding the town within the 3 assumes the last one is scum, you need to believe in luna being the dreamer to conclude we're not all town
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@Vader
Btw I was completely off in what I thought banana was going to claim but it turned out to be more scummier than I thought
Please explain
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@ILikePie5
We don’t know your alignment till we eliminate you either.
Yes but Luna's flip does not only give his alignment if he is the dreamer
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idk why people have blind faith in luna being the dreamer, why is it so unlikely this is a mafia fakeclaim?
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@ILikePie5
Why should be assume RB?
we in rolemadness, it is reasonable to believe mafia can stop town prs. in my last mafia game in mafiascum mafia had an ascetic + alien.
No, it’s better to find the townies in the 3 people identified and lynch the scum.
Why? This assumes Luna is town/dreamer.
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@whiteflame
if Luna is town, scum will not eliminate one of the 3 people he dreamt about.
if Luna is town, if Luna is scum then it is world changing, we do not know Luna's alignment until we eliminate him
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i get why luna staying alive has value but we're always better in position, even slightly, with luna's flip
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idk whiteflame it feels you have a personal investment in having luna stay alive why are you being resistant to my idea when it is logically sound, luna's elimination lets us know who mafia is
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@whiteflame
in what world does 100% knowing 1 player is wolf does not help town? the alternative is having faith in luna is the dreamer, hoping we're lucky in the 3 names.
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@Mharman
Do you have any reason to doubt Lunatic’s authenticity here? I’m all ears. Until I get a good reason though, I’m not down to pull the trigger on the MU strat
Dreamer is the perfect scum fakeclaim, mafia is incentized to never kill them, Luna can say he did not dream so he was roleblocked, mafia only needs to choose 3 names. Casey was the dreamer in the last game, making it even more likely dreamer is a potential fakeclaim. Independent of Luna's dream Liberty's + Banana's claims look pretty believable, I know I am town.
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going into elo without knowing if luna's dreamer claim is real is not a place i want to be in
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@whiteflame
…except if he draws the kill, we get the same info without the cost of a mislynch. If he draws the RB (assuming there even is one), that frees up another night action. And, perhaps most importantly, if we lynch him and he flips town, we have a second mislynch in a row with the only resulting info being that one of 3 remaining people are scum with, at best, a 5-2 split between scum and town going into DP3.
mafia only kills luna if they do not have have an rb, (it is safe to assume they do), materially nothing changes if we mislim outside of luna + mafia kills luna
the only way to be 100% certain in luna being the dreamer is by flipping him, if luna is mafia then he can perpetually claim he is roleblocked and we will never know unless we flip scum within me/liberty/banana (it's possible as scum luna throws in his partner to make his dreamer claim look real to win in elo.) eliminating luna is the optimal play.
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if luna is mafia, we kill scum
if luna is town, we know scum
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@whiteflame
So… explain this to me. Why do you think it’s better to eliminate Luna ourselves rather than forcing scum to address him? I get that this will give us information regardless, but if he’s town, this is a gift to scum who no longer have to target him during the NP to stop his role.
Luna's flip always gives us mafia, the info is greater in value than drawing a kill/rb.
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casey was the dreamer in the sopranos mafia so i see luna fakeclaiming it/casey using it as a real role
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mafia is never killing luna, luna is never dreaming again, we need to kill luna to see if mafia is in me/adol/banana.
vtl luna
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i see trotsky being mafia for leading the red army then being stalin's enemy
problem with whiteflame is he plays the same as either alignment in my expierence
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pretty likely at least one wolf voted earth would be sueprising af if no mafia voted earth
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when questioning me you and lunatic had mirroring thoughts, maybe these are natural seperate reactions to what i am saying but it made me think
i felt pressed in like every direction and i did not want to say the wrong thing and get mislimmed, i spent tuesday in call with friends, but i am in tonight
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Maybe it's how you play, maybe it's my fundamental failure to read you whiteflame, but you're playing too cautiously to my liking, you're not all in into your convinctions. I get why you scumread me, I do not get why you were not more aggressive in wanting to flip me.
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@whiteflame
Is this vote just because of Vader's suggestion that players with Soviet characters should claim or is this coming from somewhere else?
Intially I extremely town read you for your deep theme analysis of Anastasia, you questioning me helped my read a lot. I noticed you changing your mind on me, switching between me being mafia and town, concluding with me being your top scumread but not wanting to risk skipping d2. If I am scum like you believe I am it is worth pursuing me, feels like you're too scared of moving against me. Instead you went after Earth, saying he needs to scumcase you, to provide reasoning when you're in their poe. Earth is lhf, it's safe to vote, voting me and me being town gets you burned, I slightly feel you know I am town.
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my death and the myth i survived plays into my role, i am so popular i am the beloved princess, if i die the next day is skipped
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@Lunatic
How did Casey describe it
execution, i intended to be vague
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@whiteflame
It's frustrating that your accounting of her death doesn't mention the false reports of her survival, which are one of the main reasons she's such a well-known person in Russian history. There was a popular myth that she survived, that's the basis for the movie.
The myth is so well known I did not feel the need to mention it, it's implicit knowledge. I was thinking of the movie the whole time too.
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like my death is described differently depending on the source
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@Lunatic
And it was assassination not execution?
assassination, execution, murder, shot to death, all these things describe my death, i am anastasia
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@Lunatic
Wait wait wait. Can you double check this? Did your character actually die in 1918 via assassination or was he just wounded from an attempt?
I straight up died.
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@Lunatic
Soviet Union formed in 1922 so you are pre Soviet Union
Yes Pre-USSR but in the RSFSR, so I did die in Soviet Russia.
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@iamanabanana
Sorry I was being vague, I was killed by the Bolsheviks in 1918 after the October Revolution during the Russian Civil War in the RSFSR. I died because of the October Revolution, not in it.
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@iamanabanana
I think the question is whether your character existed before the soviet union formed or not. what does being assassinated has to do with that.
I was killed in the October Revolution
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