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Regardless Whiteflame would still have both RM and Earth investigating him in this plan. He can't kill both if he's lying about being cop. Unless you want to argue a roleblocker would stop one of RM/Earth and scum team kills the other. That may be possible, but then if that happens you can still just lynch Whiteflame anyways for not cooperating.
WF dies in DP2/NP2/DP3
Let's make this sequence:
WF lives in DP2 via VTNL, RM/Earth is roleblocked, mafia kills the other in NP2, WF is lynched DP3 bc not cooperating, WF is town
Suddenly we lose 2 town, making it 2v2 in NP3, mafia team kills one town and mafia wins
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@Mharman
Regardless Whiteflame would still have both RM and Earth investigating him in this plan. He can't kill both if he's lying about being cop. Unless you want to argue a roleblocker would stop one of RM/Earth and scum team kills the other. That may be possible, but then if that happens you can still just lynch Whiteflame anyways for not cooperating.
Will WF even be in control of not cooperating at this point?
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Based on your role's hint and thematic analysis, it makes only sense that boxing with insta KO could be the strongman able to penetration protection like that.
This, this makes the most sense out of anything, Insta K0 perfectly fits boxing being the strongman
VTL WF
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@RationalMadman
"I believe that Wylted roleblocked the most powerful scum."
I have soft proof of this, I can defend myself against almost all NP killing moves, implying someone is powerful enough to end me, did Wylted give any sign who he jailed?
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@Mharman
We can have that2 protect whiteflame then
No, I can only defend myself
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@Mharman
"yup. Earth and RM can use their abilities on him. (if RM even has the ability he says he does)"
Yeah this is a good plan, Idk why RM is saying it's RM vs. WF
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@Mharman
"Read whiteflame's idea. It will prove his affiliation"
VTL WF in DP3 if not killed in NP2?
Unvote
VTNL
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@Mharman
"plus, whiteflame has an idea that I'm confident will prove him innocent"
What idea?
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@RationalMadman
You're saying boxing inherently contradicts all other town fighting styles based on theme split
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@RationalMadman
"None of the others (put together with each other) of the three dead, Judo and Kung fu enable boxing to work."
What do you mean by this?
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@RationalMadman
"The theme split easily renders Sambo as scum. The problem is Karate and Sambo are similar in that they are offensively defensive, like Muay Thai."
Karate-Sambo
This implies a theme split of 2 similar martial arts, counterparts, do you see this between the other martial arts?
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@RationalMadman
"Who were you protecting on NP1"
I was protecting me, my role is self defense
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Earth: 100% town
I feel WF and RM both being town, a Cop and Justice being in the same game makes sense, the conflict between them seems like both going against perceived scum
Mha being vanilla town also makes sense, despite the DM vanilla town is needed, and the only claim is Mha, I'm inclined to believe Mha
I know I'm town, I don't think Mha/me needs to be VTLd to see who is mafia and who is town
This only leaves Supa, I don't want to vote Supa
No evidence against anyone to VTL
VTNL
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@RationalMadman
"Why tf would Earth die?"
Speaking about NP2, Earth is the only 100% town, it makes the most sense that Earth is killed NP2, being the 100% town it makes the most sense to protect Earth too
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I have no character/fighter mentioned in my DM, what is weird is that Mha's DM to being Vanilla includes a Sambo fighter's famous MMA loss, which makes 0 sense, but I'm inclined to believe Mha being vanilla because I'm not vanilla so it's highly likely Mha is vanilla, the DM justification is so out of left field I highly doubt mafia would make it up as a fake claim, and MMA fights explained Muay Thai's and wrestling's roles
The only slate that saves me in description is:
ComputerNerd: Aikido- 2x Role Reverser- Town
That2User:Karate-(Protective Role)-Town
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@RationalMadman
"One thing I notice is that Sambo is irrefutably a defensive martial art on balance, whereas I am perplexed as to why the word defense is used in the PM for Karate, yet it is not a protective role?"
Karate is a protective role, (I only soft claimed being vanilla)
Karate is an MA mainly trained for self defense, I'm protective
I have to word what was said in my DM pretty carefully because it has so few words
I'm going to protect Earth this night, if Earth dies in NP2 kill me DP3
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@whiteflame
This makes a lot of sense, I concede with the 2nd option, what's way more likely is a lawyer protected Mhar
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@Earth
"I didn't even know that was the hammer. It's not going to kill Town. Relax bruv."
It killed Town
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@Mharman
"If you are mad at me for voting CNerd, keep in mind I didn’t really want to"
If you didn't want to why did you? We had plenty of options, including VTNL, extending the day phase would be pro-town too
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We have 2 realities, one with WF being the cop and Mhar being innocent, the 2nd with WF saving his mafia partner
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@ILikePie5
"Vote ComputerNerd. His behavior has been different. Literally read the last game and then this game. The difference is like Day and Night"
Link me last game and I will read, in detail give me how CN 180d behaviorally between games
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@RationalMadman
"I actually know the split because of my role description"
What is your role description?
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@ComputerNerd
"disarming your opponent"
You have disarming your opponent,
I have self defense
Let me see what else we have with descriptions
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@ILikePie5
"That1User should full claim immediately."
I am Karate, the most vanilla of self defense disciplines, self defense is in my DM but everyone else is confused by my post, I hoped town would have this too
Karate was mentioned by RM as potentially scum via theme, me being town dislodges this part of the analysis but I think the theme is a good basis, what did everyone else get to describe their martial art?
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I'm willing to take Athias' place if allowed, creating a new debate in this round
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