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@ethang5
@EtrnlVw
@Outplayz
@Mopac
it quickly gets mind blowing for me. looked up the other night, it was clear, just thinking about how little we actually know, even though what we do know is so much more than hundreds of years ago or how much we can see, makes us look so insignificant.
I guess so long as there is change, the different possibilities (dimensions) would also continue and even grow. I believe that is one of the "dimensions"
it seems many of these are explained and seen from a single point of view or as an individual. How that relates, intergrades or has any role etc with others I haven't heard.
some religions, I seem to recall, describe different levels of heaven, a hierarchy where you can go down at will but must work or earn to go up.
these ideas seem rather antisocial than social which is strange since we are generally social beings.
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@HistoryBuff
Never going to happen. China would rather kill every single one of them than give up Hong Kong.
agreed, I don't see anyway this could ever happen without a war.
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@HistoryBuff
ironic thing is she is like Hillary in many ways but people don't see that.
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@Greyparrot
Hillary Clinton slams Bernie Sanders in new documentary: 'Nobody likes him'
lol they screwed him over in favor of Clinton and how she's helping them screw him again in favor of Biden, or pretty much anyone else.
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saw this on my feed just now
Potential Link Between Marijuana and Heart Risks Discovered by Cardiologists
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@Greyparrot
Have the Iranians said how they would ensure this wouldn't happen in the future, you know things that civilized nations would do. They will have no problems in sacrificing some scapegoats for this "accident"
Anything, any gesture would appease the soy boy, he is a spineless coward imo, either that or the news has failed to adequately cover his harsh criticism and condemnation on this "accident"
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@oromagi
marinol has been around for a long while and it was very expensive (go figure) so for medical reasons it should totally be legal and I would say Trump's "right to try" should also apply.
why would legalization be better than decriminalization?
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@bmdrocks21
He should wait for America to fight their war, just like every other country does.
this is exactly what the soy boy will do, that and pay a ton of money to get the bodies back and reimburse them for their missiles, but seriously what country has ever been intimidated or afraid of Canada? No one take this "guy" seriously or is intimidated by "him"
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@ethang5
@Outplayz
@Mopac
I really appreciate your thoughts and perspectives, they are most interesting and this is a lot of fun (for lack of a better word)
Having thought more about this as well as what you all have posted, to me the theories of multiple dimensions seems to fit (11 dimensions is the most I have heard of so far)
The perception of anything at all proves that there is reality as it is perceived, and a reality as it truly is.
it's interesting all the things past, perceived as impossible or not to exist only to find out otherwise.
"Fifteen hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat. And fifteen minutes ago, you knew that people were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow."
Men in Black.
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@bmdrocks21
Medical Marijuana Poisoning in Kids
Both decriminalization and legalized recreational use have been associated with increased unintentional pediatric ingestions
you just have to be willing to accept the unintended consequences
decriminalized- no prison, I also agree with that.
After woman's death, overdoses, Minn. officials raise alarm over marijuana wax
Can Marijuana Kill You?
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@Christen
the same way they stopped the flow of alcohol, remember learning about prohibition?
the same way they stopped the flow of drugs, er wait some of that comes across the border, hmm do you suppose guns could also come across the border too? If so would that mean criminals would still be able to get guns just like drugs and sex traffickers? Huh it's almost as if those people willfully ignore the drugs and illegal sex trade, yet for some reason they will obey the gun laws? I'm really trying to understand these people's thought processes and logic.
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@Greyparrot
It doesn't matter if you are pro constitution or anti constitution neither side wants criminals to have guns. And yet no one ever talks about increasing the penalties.
I've mentioned it before but don't feel like looking for the story, but the girlfriend who KNOWINGLY purchased her felon boyfriend a gun, only got probation, even though he used that gun to murder a couple of people. She should have been charged as an accessory to murder imo. How about we try increasing the penalties? We haven't tried that yet, not with any real intent.
Don't you love how they try and make it about reducing murders? lol what a joke they are.
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@EtrnlVw
@Outplayz
you bring up some thoughts I had as well, if a person had experienced everything, had no challenges, there would be no purpose and would cease to exist. It's how to conceptualize an intelligence existing which has no or has exhausted all purpose. From my very limited perspective and knowledge, God must still be doing stuff or has ceased to exist for the reasons of either having a purpose or no longer having one. Hope that makes sense.
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@Greyparrot
I don't think Warren made herself look too good either, but imo that was also be design, given Biden's failing mental faculties he'd be the easiest to manipulate imo, the rest of them are the has beens that never were.
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@Stephen
I find that all very interesting, though I know very little about it.
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@bmdrocks21
I'm still waiting to see those civilian guns designed to kill people.
I believe a gun is designed to send a projectile in a straight line, that is what it's designed to do. Only a person can give it intent.
if you shoot at targets, it's a target gun
if you hunt with it, it's a hunting gun
if you murder with it, it's a murder weapon (as are all objects used to murder)
most people just aren't informed adequately about them imo and they would rather fight about it than to come together and deal with the criminals.
Classic liberal NY, no more life sentences or bail/bond but tyrannical when it comes to guns, what could go wrong?
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@Greyparrot
I think they are killing 2 birds with one leak.
Did any other major outlet cover this like Tucker?
I hope the soap opera continues, the potential for great entertainment (at their expense) is high.
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welp looks like CNN is going to burn Bernie lol
loaded debate question pitting Warren against Bernie
then the "leaked" mic confrontation after the debate
classic.
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@Stephen
I don't consider it a hijack, I appreciate you knowledge and insight, a lot of what you said I never heard before so it's been educational for me which I appreciate.
Intelligent design makes the most sense to me but that's a different topic I guess.
I don't remember which religion, Buddhist or something, the one that believes in reincarnation and their goal is to rid themselves of all desires so they won't be reincarnated and just fade into nothingness, something like that anyway.
I'm a Pieces btw hahaha, love coidences like that.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
oh, I'm not sure I said you were wrong about anything, I certainly didn't mean to, just offering different ideas, just carrying on the discussion.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
if you hear tone of voices you may wish to speak with someone lol if you don't read things I write as they are written they will come across wrong, it's just how I am, can't help it.
fairly decent is relative and location dependant so......
the point that I seem to have hidden is, jobs that actually pay minimum wage aren't as common as people think. In some states, cities, it has already increased, some with little to no success or benefit to those jobs.
someone did the math for inflation and the minimum would be like 9 something an hour, but again not every employer or job gets a cost of living raise, some get more or none at all.
but what I was suggesting is, rather than raise the minimum, perhaps spending and waste could be cut so people could keep more of what they earn, your take home is all that really matters, what you get to keep and spend. If the minimum goes up but the take home goes down, or costs go up and purchasing power goes down they would be worse off.
let them keep more instead of give them more makes sense to me.
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@dustryder
You asserting that a right is inalienable is not a justification for the right. Nor is saying that it's "existed for hundreds of years".
every creature that I can think of will protect its own life, regardless if it's a recognized right or not, that right has always existed, the constitution recognizes that it has always existed, I'm pretty sure I've explained this to you before, the constitution does not give rights, it's a formal recognition of them.
I think that there are multiple ways that the government protects us from harm that you have apparently missed. For example, building codes, licenses and regulations. Personally I didn't even think of the police but even if they can't respond to immediate threats and they don't have an obligation to protect you, it's clear that do keep the public safe in some form.
the deflection is duly noted.
we are talking about personal/individual which has nothing to do with building codes etc, again a formally recognized inalienable right to life.
sure the police keep the public safe from speeders, jay walkers and of course the ever dangerous kids with lemonade stands, frightening.
But a government has the responsibility to keep the public safe.
perhaps the public but not necessarily the individual, you are responsible for your own safety.
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@dustryder
you have a right to own property, slaves were considered property, you don't have a right to own slaves, it's not in the constitution and I have never seen anywhere stated or articulated that owning a slave is an inalienable right.
But a government has the responsibility to keep the public safe.
LOL yeah when seconds count the police are minutes away
what do you think now?
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@Stephen
your assuming god again.
yes, we must do so to have this conversation otherwise it would just be another argument about the existence of God.
the number of times you had to repeat yourself in that thread is frustrating, you have more patience that I do.
so we are stuck in a loop?
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@dustryder
slavery is not a right
you have no good reason to infringe on my right to use whatever means I deem necessary to protect myself and family, especially reasons based on assumptions and theories which has just as many counters to.
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@Stephen
I'm thinking on a larger scale, the universe etc, the very beginning (again we have to accept assumptions) has everything been created or is there something more? If it's all done, then what? Once you assemble a puzzle there's really not much else to do with it.
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@HistoryBuff
again for as many that say it will save money there are the ones that say it won't so that is YOUR opinion as well
sources in #82 not sure how you didn't read that already.
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Gunsmiths 3D-Print High Capacity Ammo Clips To Thwart Proposed Gun Laws
bbbuuubbbuubbubut there's a law wa-wa
what is to prevent another Oklahoma city? Boston Marathon? Centennial park? nothing I can think of, other than no one has wanted to yet.
why and why don't people commit suicide generally? they either see lives has having no value or it has value. same could be said about most murderers.
does the absence or presence of guns change that? I doubt it.
Would Las Vegas not happened without guns? It could have happened like Oklahoma city or Boston and probably ended up worse than it was.
We are talking about people's mentalities we can't understand. Where there is a will there's a way. To think you can control that is just not a real expectation.
I would say the U.S. society has less objection of killing each other than many other countries. I'll have to look at the stats but it wouldn't surprise me if the non gun murder rates were also higher than most other countries. I'm sure they would be if not already, if guns magically disappeared. Because there is a will to murder in the U.S. more than other countries.
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@Stephen
But I do, and they don't
so you wish to hi-jack my thread then? pretty much the posts have done that imo I set the questions and the tone of this thread have you supported that and kept with it's theme or have you taken it in a different direction with your posts?
this isn't just about you anyway but rather the culture of the internet and forums, which is why they are dying except for the few holdouts.
#8 fit as a response which is fine, but I would be more interested in the now and future, it would seem God was more interactive then, then suddenly not, so what does God occupy himself with now and how? Perhaps this is more philosophical than religion, sometimes those lines are hard to see.
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@HistoryBuff
my mistake, I don't believe it will save money and infact cost the average taxpayer more money.
saving 10's if not hundreds of thousands of lives
my sources say that's not true at all
receives the health care they need to live.
you can not be denied emergency care due to lack of ability to pay, you can be denied an organ transplant you need to live.
so this needed healthcare seems to be a bit of a ghost.
St. Judes afaik doesn't require insurance and their commercials say people never get a bill, that doesn't seem to fit this need you keep using.
maybe we need more organizations like St. Judes instead of government run healthcare?
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@Stephen
I don't care what they support, it was meant to be an adult conversation about what they think and what they know that is all. there is/was absolutely no reason to challenge them or divide to the nasty levels some chose to do.
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I asked some very simple questions, simple to me in my mind actually. How or why someone interpreted them as an invitation for a heated debate I don't understand.
how and why such simple questions resulted is name calling and other derogatory words I could use boggles the mind, gee I wonder why people don't stick around here, go figure.
you and EtrnlVw actually invited those responses.
you may wish to go back and self reflect, your hostile responses are not warranted.
if you thought post #10 included you, then maybe you are the problem.
They can never , ever support their claims.
did I ask them to?
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@HistoryBuff
I'm pointing out the obvious lack of priorities and a sincere desire to fix what is correctable though it would cause discomfort. It's far more comfortable to live in the gilded cage then it is to take on the real issue, the one that offers far more beneficial changes but is the more difficult route and less popular.
you claim that throwing money at the problem will help and the links and studies I have provided does not support that, at all.
I find these solutions rather fickle, the willingness to take people's money, spend billions and for what? to possibly, maybe save a few lives? If lives were that important then the things so easily done to prevent loss of life would be the priorities right? It doesn't sound logical otherwise.
this universal health care is about control not saving lives which is supported by the economist and statistics.
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@HistoryBuff
everyone having healthcare is a need because without it people will die.
they will die with healthcare, that doesn't make sense.
democracy is the power of the people.
the U.S. is a representative republic democracy.
what is your point?
the point is you are advocating to handing them over even more power over you and making the decision for everyone else as well.
which causes more deaths, lack of insurance or obesity? I'll bet you can guess. Why aren't you asking for government intervention to stop obesity, it's the #1 preventable disease?
An estimated 300,000 deaths per year are due to the obesity epidemic (57).
about 10x higher than reasons associated with lack of insurance (if you pick the most generous number they attempt to provide of about 40k per year)
it would better logic to have the government regulate what and how much food we eat than to just give us insurance.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoodman/2017/05/11/does-lack-of-health-insurance-kill/#40632aa29f86
June O’Neill, former Director of the Congressional Budget Office and her husband Dave, both highly respected economists, approached the question of how health insurance affects health from another direction. They concluded that uninsured people with lower-incomes were only 3% more likely to die over a 14-year period than those with health insurance and being uninsured had no statistically significant effect on anyone else.
“any plausible effect of insurance on health status in the general population will likely be small” and perhaps nonexistent.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
or, we could let people keep more of the money they earn? all that is really important is the money you bring home, what you get to spend.
this got me thinking, what companies still pay minimum wage? Not the big box stores. Lowes and Home Depot actually pay fairly decently. I really can't think of any place that might pay minimum except a small business.
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@HistoryBuff
The 2 things are integrally linked. We need to fight for cleaning up government and getting money out of politics at the same time we are fighting for universal health care.
they are not actually, even by your own words, one is a need the other a desire. do you think it's realistic to give a corrupt government more power and control with the hopes it will maybe, possibly, fixed sometime in the future?
you faith is zealot level, mine is not.
even if Sanders were elected he won't be president forever, nothing he could do could permanently get the money and influencers out of government, this is why the power has always meant to be with the people. Over time they have taken that power and will never give it up. As long as people are willing to be dependent on the government they will maintain that power, it can never be otherwise.
think about it, whatever you are dependent on, rely on has power over you.
in a sense the Amish are some of the freest people there are.
this is why I use the term and it applies so well "gilded cage"
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@bmdrocks21
they see this fantasy world where no one has a gun so you wouldn't need one to defend yourself with. But then they will have to ban knives and we've all seen how well that works. Instead of getting to the root of the actual issue, people with the will to murder, they think this is a practical and viable solution.
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@dustryder
I have yet to hear anyone articulate why such a right is reasonable and should be preserved.
irrelevant, it has existed for hundreds of years, you chose to ignore the reasons given on the news, articles and threads, you opinion as to what is reasonable should not negate my inalienable right.
1. The perpetrators of mass shootings typically use more than one firearm. Spacing out gun purchases is likely to reduce casualties if not spacing out purchases, or give more time for reflection if they are
hypotheticals are wonderful aren't they
mass shootings mostly involve one gun I believe, the Tech shooter had 2 hand guns.
reflection? seriously? how many have made legal purchases then immediately committed a mass murder? none?
2. Less circulation of guns. Less guns less crime is the gist of it
how many decades would that take to see any impact at all?
At any-rate if there is any chance of such a law reducing murders, then I would say that the law is a net benefit.
so you are in favor of a curfew since that would be a better chance of reducing murders, or you are ok with murders so long as guns are restricted? Or probably the case you don't want to be under a curfew so that you wouldn't support but you are anti gun so you do support that.
A certain level of murder you'll accept so long as it's not with a gun and doesn't impact or hinder your life or enjoyment of, like a curfew, I get it, I do. You want people to give up their enjoyment and freedom but you aren't willing to do the same.
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@SirAnonymous
I asked for a definition and example of a civilian gun designed to kill people so far.....crickets.
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@Singularity
well that statement ruined your credibility lol a simple search will show you that is not true, and cosmopolitan magazine etc
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@EtrnlVw
the thread ended up as I thought it would, self absorbed people butting into a conversation just to ruin it, but again that was expected, shame their lives are such that this is normal behavior for them, such is the internet.
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@dustryder
let's try a mandatory curfew, you can apply for a special permit if you happen to work an off shift so you can get to and from work. That will keep people off the street, especially during the hours when probably 90% of the murders happen? Most happen at night, far more often then between 8am-8pm
I have yet to hear anyone articulate how infringing on law abiding citizens rights has any appreciable effect on crime.
most people are, have been or could be negatively impacted by crime since most don't have armed security, walled homes etc
so regardless on which side you are on we all do not want to be negatively impacted by crime if at all possible, in that way we are one.
I'll assume you agree with this.
so what can we do, individually and collectively to protect ourselves from crime?
I'm not convinced on this trickle down scheme that is suppose to take guns out of criminal's hands.
does the "broken window" theory not work? seems neighborhood revitalization was a thing for a short time, what happened to that? the reality is if there was no crime no one would care what or how many guns anyone had.
people like governor blackface would make thousands of citizens criminals and not impact real criminals at all. is that what you really want? unless there is a military state they will just hide their guns or not comply, then what? arrest thousands who weren't criminals and probably working citizens?
this seems to apply
"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kinds of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted—and you create a nation of lawbreakers—and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."
before governor blackface was in office there was no limit to how many purchases you could make in a month, this is true in many states as well, but now he wants to limit it to 1 per month, Can you logically and factually tell me how this reduces murders?
what % of legal purchases are for more than one gun? I'd be it's very low.
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@RationalMadman
I was just talking about sex, like some women don't have orgasms, one or multiple, stuff like that.
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@HistoryBuff
we certainly agree money needs to be taken out of government and the awful influence it has. I don't think that will happen to any real degree in out life time. However until that happens you seem to be willing to hand them more power over you, become more dependent on government where I am not.
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@Greyparrot
Asking for even more government power is a sure-fire recipe to invite even more levels of cronyism from the rich and more exploitation.
that's so painfully obvious so why can't people see it, or is it that they won't because they don't want to be responsible for themselves and their choices, like slaves who didn't want to be free really. I can understand why someone might find a nanny state or someone taking care of them attractive, until they realize the cost that goes with it.
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@TheRealNihilist
that would be the value of gun ownership verses reduction in harman accurate question would be are you in favor of reducing harm
preserving the 2a and a reduction in harm are not mutually exclusive
there are over 22000 gun laws, an ar ban etc etc but a few more laws will fix the problem?
criminals do harm, I'm in favor of reducing criminals, thus reducing harm
an accurate question would be are you in favor or reducing harm or just gun harm?
please counter away LOL
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@Singularity
women are vastly different from each other, moreso, then men are different from each other imo I don't think it's possible to be an expert in this field.
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@HistoryBuff
Although people like Sanders are exceptions.
yeah I wish I wasn't rich like Sanders too.
If the rich control the government and if the rich are bad (in context) then wanting to give them more power and authority over you would not make sense or be in your own best interest.
if the rich start wars, control the government and are bad (in context) then wanting to give them more power and authority over you would not make sense or be in your own best interest.
If no party or individual is immune from same or similar corruptions then wanting to give them more power and authority over you would not make sense or be in your own best interest.
The government is supposed to be entrusted to use the military wisely, sparingly, judiciously if they don't/haven't then wanting to give them more power and authority over you would not make sense or be in your own best interest.
You seem to have some warranted distrust of the government and its actions, yet you'd gladly had them more control over you.
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If the bird of peace is the dove
do you know what the bird of love is?
THE SWALLOW
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