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@Greyparrot
look back no further than the cold war. the world should have ended so many times now if what they were claiming was correct.
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@3RU7AL
oh I agree with you that is how things are suppose to be done. For me, it's difficult to believe someone who preaches about income disparity who's a multimillionaire and owns multi million dollar homes. Obama purchase ocean front property, guess he really doesn't believe the oceans will rise anytime soon.
Which candidates past or present is campaigning on cleaning up the air, water and land within the U.S.?
Which candidates past or present are jumping on the 'climate change' bandwagon? don't bother the list is too long but you see my point.
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@Greyparrot
I guess I'm to believe that although the government hasn't cleaned up it's (our) own backyard, has killed citizens directly or indirectly due to ignorance, incompetence, apathy or power (Waco Tx anyone?) Now all of a sudden I'm supposed to believe chicken little? Oh lets do something about gun murders, except for places like Chicago because you know they already have tyrannical laws so not much else you can do law wise in those places. Either the murder problem in those cities is something new or no one really cares, it's one or the other. The boy who cried wolf, classic.
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@Ramshutu
I chose not to take what others say on faith, you are free to do so, scientist have been wrong even to the death of others, so believe and trust in them if you will, I'm not so easily convinced.
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@3RU7AL
well I hate to say it, but it's being destroyed and getting worse. The democrats want more government control over our lives, anti constitution etc I could go on and on, but that's a different thread I suppose.
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@Ramshutu
all governments have influencers and agendas so you'll forgive my skepticism as well as the times they've been flatly wrong or otherwise corrupt. While we can and should consider everything thing and opinion we should not be beholden to any foreign entity. To do so would be to give up sovereignty.
Anyone remember "Love Canal"? How the Hudson river, want to take a swim? Acid rain? Flint Michigan?
Of all the problems we can and should fix I don't see much of an effort at all. But this "climate change" sure gets attention. There is plenty to fix in our back yard so you'll forgive me if I call B.S. on "climate change"
Do we have the cleanest air and water we could have? I don't think so. Wouldn't that be a very good place to start?
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@Ramshutu
tbh I don't g.a.f. about what other countries have to say generally speaking, I live in MY country and it's my life, they have NO say over either.
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@3RU7AL
I'll accept what you say as true, that shouldn't change or perhaps should increase the distrust of what the government is telling us, or trying to forces us into right?
If the government can be manipulated into serving others instead of the citizens, general public then really that's made my point.
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@3RU7AL
to maintain any semblance of freedom must include the ability to make bad choices.
the best 'greater good' would be the gilded cage.
Here is my issue and should be for everyone. Do you trust the government? They have been wrong about the food pyramid after lo these many years. Now it's come to light the whole cholesterol study was b.s. and so are statins. Point is the government has been wrong in many servere ways but we only find out much much later.
Force for the 'greater good' is a slippery slope putting it mildly, I'd say it's more of a road to hell paved with good intentions.
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@TheRealNihilist
certainly you know some people denounce God, religion because of some unfair traumatic event, or attribute unexplained or fantastic events to God or a religion. intense events must effect the brain right? like a brand new romantic relationship, which after a certain time isn't as intense.
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@TheRealNihilist
tbh I don't think it has anything to do with religion, but rather things you like or are passionate about. There is a really good feeling being around other happy and loving people but when feelings are gone or fade changes seem pretty obvious, but that isn't exclusive to religion I don't think. Similarly the presence and then absence of extreme emotional pain probably have the same effects. They are measuring nothing more than emotions, what causes them is irrelevant to whatever they think they are measuring. There is no test that I know of that measure emotions with such specificity.
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@Snoopy
Matter is a massive substance that occupies space.
the big bang was all matter compressed into one spot, something like that anyway, so what space did it expand into? there must be a finite amount of matter for it to have been compressed or release by the big bang, so the multiverse should also be finite right?
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@TheRealNihilist
that would probably be more accurate, however, while intelligent design seems the most plausible that does not mean that designer is still around, alive or in existence. Though if something could create on that scale it's most likely still in existence, how active or involved I have no idea. Last I knew someone came up with an 11 dimension theory, so I believe that is also possible and it all could be related or otherwise linked together.
if the topic is true, does the brain activity change when you no longer enjoy a hobby that you use to? a food? how about before and after a divorce?
does parkinson cause a loss of faith or is there a loss of faith because of contracting parkinson disease?
people go to and away from religion because of illness and traumatic events, which is why I find this article so silly and anyone who would accept it as fact overly naive.
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@TheRealNihilist
believe; accept (something) as true; feel sure of the truth of. no
believe; hold (something) as an opinion; think or suppose. I suppose it's possible
I hope that it's true but I can't say I believe it to be so.
how about you?
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@TheRealNihilist
theist; a person who believes in the existence of a God or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
Why didn't you like to state your Religious affiliation?
because I don't have one
there is a facebook page about intelligent design, yet you are not allowed to talk about religion so.....
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@TheRealNihilist
you are free to thing whatever you will, read my posts in the religion forum so you can make an informed opinion.
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@n8nrgmi
yeah? hmm "a radiology professor at the University of Utah who studies religion in the brain." where's his stats or research in the article? "Anderson tells me, people who develop Parkinson's are much more likely to lose their faith." cite? I could go on but there's no need, or point.
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@TheRealNihilist
you know more than I about him, seemed a pretty good call out by you, I got some enjoyment out of it anyway.
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@TheRealNihilist
What is the incentive in making this when you are a liberal Christian?
hahahaha, ouch, well played
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@n8nrgmi
I'm against the article for the reasons I have already stated, I do not take such things on faith as apparently you do, I want to see the study and stats for myself so I can make up my own mind, lemmings however require no such thing.
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@Paul
yes, yes I have
“Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”
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@n8nrgmi
why should I believe her? she not a doctor or anything. it's an anti-religion article guised as some kind of fact or study. No data to analyze no links to anything. And you believe this stuff? Are you really that naive?
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@n8nrgmi
the title is naturally misleading, deceitful
What Happens to Your Brain When You Stop Believing in God:it should have been What Happens to HIS Brain When HE stops believing in God:
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@3RU7AL
I would take it a step further and apply it to the welfare programs like Medicaid. The waste is unbelievable. However if they are given a cash allotment to use for appointments and they get to keep whatever isn't used, then they would be more discriminating as to when to go to the Doctor. Obviously this would not apply to well visits or visits for chronic issues and actual emergencies. We as tax payers should not have to pay for someone to go to the E.R. for a pregnancy test because they don't want to buy one at the dollar store and they don't want to wait until Monday to get an appointment with their p.c.p.
We tend to be a punitive society rather than rewarding good imo
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@3RU7AL
I think your idea is headed in the right direction, but rather pay people to do good we could reward people when they do good.
a system could be put in place where a child/parent is rewarded for grades or staying out of trouble, perhaps doing community service, mentoring etc
this money would be kept for college/trade school, whatever. Again I remember seeing it but don't recall the name. High risk kids in a very poor area had the opportunity to earn money by meeting very low standards, like showing up for school and getting at least a C average, if you got higher the reward reflected it. they could get as much as $100, I don't recall the exact criteria or time frame.
I would like your idea to be more of a reward/earned system rather than an entitlement. There's a happy medium between the ideas imo.
They system needs to be setup so you earn your way to the total freedom of your idea. Some will not have the competency or ability to handle such a system as you described.
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@ebuc
that's true, if you say I have you confused with someone else I believe you, sorry about that.
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@Christen
TDS is for real, an irrational, uncontrollable affliction for many
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@n8nrgmi
that's what happened to him so it happens to everyone? vice website LOL
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@TheRealNihilist
sure however the argument is that the climate change "solutions" would restrict what people can do and would make their lives not as enjoyable. For me not having my own vehicle and being forced to take public transportation is a big one. Forcing me to purchase an electric car with all the huge problems they bring would hamper my enjoyment and freedom to do what I want, when I want.
My Dad has a friend, few storms back they had to evacuate Florida, his friend has a Tesla. The range on it couldn't get him out of Florida before it need a recharge which takes about an hour. Just an example of what I don't want.
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@dustryder
I've talked with him, many, many times even when he went by other names, history, in this case repeats itself, I was being proactive and cutting to the chase. That's why he didn't point that out as you did, because he knew it too.
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@TheRealNihilist
you could be right, but I haven't heard any such predictions, but again if there is a life after this one then who cares, if there isn't and life is basically meaningless then who cares, you see it just doesn't even matter. As a Nihillist I would think you'd understand that :)
and yes nuclear power ftw.
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@3RU7AL
there is so much that could and needs to be done. Society can't be fixed because there's just no honest will to do so. I'm not sure if it's still a thing, but kids would be robbed for their name brand sneakers. People have become attention whores. Then there's the hypersexual tv, video games, clothing etc etc Drugs and crime are glorified. They seem to like these life styles and only a few rise above it, those are the ones who succeed. Throwing money at a problem doesn't work, it never really has afaik.
To you believe the money that went to Baltimore was used appropriately? Talk about a tale of 2 cities.
If you don't like the word alpha we can use strong leader, positive role model whatever, I find them interchangeable in this context.
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@ebuc
you are correct I look at all the murder victims and their families (the forest), you just look at those of mass murders only (the tree) your path is narrow, do you consider those murdered but not in a mass murder, weeds that need to be pulled out?
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@dustryder
so my stats sand then I guess since they like to change and make up definitions of what a "mass killing" is, he always argue that the ar-15 is mostly used, I'll agree for arguments sake, so again my stats stand and if we are only talking about ar-15 style the difference is even more glaring.
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@ebuc
it's sad TDS has blinded you to the fact this problem has been going on for a long time before Trump, riots and mass murders etc happened under St. Obama but until people like you can see the forest for the trees we will continue to spin our wheels, so sad.
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@ebuc
I thought the point was obvious but I'll expand it I guess. The aggression, lack of morals, self control, responsibility, is, in large part, due to the lack of a dominant role model to keep them in check and teach them. This has escalated to the increased violence we see today. Society is becoming more and more desensitized to the violence for a number of reasons. As the number of "feral" children increase the crime probably will. The Walgreens raid is a pretty good example. These braisen events will increase in frequency and intensity.
Consider this, lack of consequence for many who rioted and burned down businesses which they called "protests"
Now these organized robberies and looting with little to no consequences. For many and the number is increasing there is no fear of prison or consequences. The social moral decay is at a crisis imo.
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@3RU7AL
many kill their own kind far less often, so yes maybe we should be. boys growing up with not positive role models is a huge factor. I know you know this and are just trying to be unnecessarily argumentative. You can pretend you don't follow the analogy but I know you are much smarter than that. Some moms can fill that role to a point but it's not the same and we are seeing the results. How many criminals are from traditional homes compared to broken homes? I only bring that up for other readers since you know darn well it's a major causative factor.
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@dustryder
he was talking about "assault weapons" maybe follow the conversation along better?
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@ebuc
it is not black and white that's true, but dominance is a trait of most if not all animals. proper behavior is learned and taught, if it is not you have people/animals acting badly, chaotically, selfishly, dangerously, whatever word you want to use.
were you born with your values or were you taught/learned them? obviously some are not taught or learned by everyone, or perhaps to a very small degree, insufficiently to be good members of society.
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@ebuc
you'll have to explain how mass killings as you put it, where fewer people are killed than most every other means of murder is worse. It's a simple numbers game right?
# killed feet/hands kill > all rifles > ar-15
It's in the fbi data bases all broken down nice and neat
take a look at knives while you are at it, ban those too?
2017
Rifles (ar-15 is a sub set of those) 403 murders
Knives and cutting instruments 1591 murders
hands/feet etc 696 murders
bigger the number = more murders/people killed so which is more of a problem rifles or knives? which is more likely to be used to kill?
I know, I know black rifle scary :( so are monsters under the bed.
you speak of truth, those numbers are truth, stop trying to distort the truth and accept the reality.
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@Christen
he did say it, however context matters
he was chosen by the people to represent their best interests and the best interest of the country, thus he was chosen. It's just the way he speaks, I've known people who speak like that. You have to have a sense of humor to really understand it, that's why so many people can't.
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@3RU7AL
lol I'd hardly call what she was doing child abuse given the size/age disparity, more like tough love. Point is she was not going to tolerate his behavior and was involved in what he was doing, what he does at some level, unlike a child waving what looks like a real gun around at a school yard.
This really isn't all that uncommon a thing. Even in nature. Can't tell you the name but you could probably find it. The bull/alpha male of an elephant herd was killed, the juveniles became aggressive, tearing up the local villages and even attacking and injuring other elephants. Long story short, they brought in another adult to be the alpha and all of the behavior went away. The dominant male or female keeps the younger and subordinates in line, humans aren't that much different imo.
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@janesix
passing clouds do that, also when I close my eyes :)
there is that storm brewing, haven't kept up with that, depends on where you are located, check the news later and see if there was a microburst in your area, those are weird.
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@ebuc
guns out of control
really?
"There are more guns than people in the United States"
so like what <0.001 or even less is the % of guns used in murders?
people just like to go round and round over this for some reason, more people are killed by hands and feet then the horrible black rifle, ar-15 (insert spooky sounds here) let's ban them too since they are a much higher risk to be used in a murder, which is especially true since there are more firearms than people, hahaha think about that.
We have a loss of moral integrity
that is true
nationalistic supermacist
don't other people in other countries think theirs is great? I see nothing wrong with that, especially when it's true. Probably a very good reason most people who leave their home country want to go to the U.S.
Moral integrity, empathy and civilized behavior went out to outer space when Putin and the minority USA cult followers voted in Trump.
that happened long before people became afflicted with TDS. those who have been cured or immune to the affliction know this.
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@Snoopy
it's just word play, twisting words, changing their definitions to meet their agendas, good thing I identify mine as squirt guns so I don't have to worry about, I wonder why there is so much distrust.....I wonder....
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@3RU7AL
1. of course not
"How is it that two children living just a few blocks from each other can have radically different chances in life?"
It seems painfully obvious to me that the success stories that do come out of these areas, the children credit their parent/parents/grandparents/foster parents/adoptive parents etc Though some succeed in spite for the parents.
Are there not some who have the best of kindergarten teachers etc and yet are failures. Same can be said those from well off families.
it is more difficult growing up poor and in certain areas, it's a generational thing to a large degree. Generally they are selfish and not doing what they could to ensure a better life for their children, breaking the cycle. Generation on welfare or criminals. Is it the responsibility of the schools to raise and train our children in the values of hard work, responsibility etc? It shouldn't be. Often parents will sacrifice much to give their children what they need educationally if they don't feel they are getting it at school. Helping your child with homework, studying, makes sure their assignments are done....so many blame the schools rather than correctly placing the responsibility where it really belongs.
It's a very complicated and multifaceted issue to be sure.
the crime we witness, 60 some all rushing a wallgreens and stealing, rioting in the guise of protest, remember the mom who grabbed her son and beat him because he was with antifa? More of that needs to happen. That's really where it starts. You can have the best teachers but if the students are disruptive, disrespectful etc then it really doesn't matter much.
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saw a map that shows green (plants growing) near deserts, CO2 is used by plants to grow and produce oxygen so there's that, tbh I don't care, nothing will happen in my life time or my children's, why anyone would care what happens after they are gone makes no sense imo, it will all end sometime, so long as you end first wgaf?
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@Snoopy
I haven't been able to keep up with the details, but if it's a better deal for the U.S. great. Since I haven't heard much about it, it must be a very good deal otherwise it would be in the headlines.
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@Outplayz
it really is mind blowing, I hope we learn the answers, I want to know everything :)
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@Discipulus_Didicit
The problem is the definition. I don't know of a practical way to privatize law enforcement and firefighting. Some call them socialist programs, others disagree.
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