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@Alec
most wouldn't, most wouldn't take the time to opt in, but I guess there could be some religious reasons as to why someone would be against that. Anyway it's easier to do it my way lol
people don't like to be told what to do or not given choices, you have to find the path of least resistance.
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@Alec
no, however it should be an opt-out vs opt-in kind of system. currently you are assumed to not be an organ donor unless you take the steps to show/affirm that you are one. I'd like to see it the other way around for simplicity.
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afaik only Physicians and similar licenced practitioners can kill a fetus/baby/human whatever you want to call it. If this is correct the scope and ability as to what they can and can't do is regulated by their licence (see where I'm going with this?) and who regulates their licences? The claim that an abortion is a right isn't correct with respect of a right given onto someone else who's actions are under the control of the state via licence etc. This is partially the reason the leftist say healthcare is a right, which isn't possible but they try to make that argument. Otherwise any woman could go to any physician and demand an abortion even if that physician didn't want to do it.
States grant licences to people who work in jobs that require them which allows that person to work in that state under the restrictions of that licence. As with any licence it can be taken away, restrictions placed on it anyway the granter sees fit, not so with rights.
If the Alabama law is restricting the licence, actions of physicians as I understand the law, there is no reason why this shouldn't be upheld in the supreme count.
this has a lot of similarities to assisted suicide imo
When an at home diy kit comes out, I'm buying a lot of stock in that company!
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@Greyparrot
lets not forget the artificial fertilizers, weed and bug killers, Roundup anyone? we need more of that stuff in the air, water and ground.
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@Greyparrot
mustardness; To live within a standard-of-living that does not cause excessive strain on the ecological environment that sustains us all.It is a question of balance.
maybe we should, oh I dunno, domesticate animals and raise them as a food source instead of killing animals in the wild, just a thought.
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@Snoopy
self defense doesn't always end in death, nor is it the actual intent and purpose, abortion however.....
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@Greyparrot
Remember the Star Trek next gen episode when they go to the planet where every crime carries the death penalty and so there was no crime. No one cares about punishments anymore and they are becoming softer on criminals.
heard that guy who pushed the child off the 2nd floor at a mall only got 12 years, which we all know he won't actually serve half that, talk about crying wolf.
the punishments in many crimes and instances are not an adequate deterrent to prevent crimes or punish those who commit them, obviously.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Basically the Left believes the people are so stupid they vote based on facebook ads. Wonder what the Left does to get votes then, LOL
amazing isn't it, couldn't possibly have been for any other reasons since Hillary was the perfect candidate, must have been Russia, not all the scandals she is part of, oh no couldn't be that, couldn't be her patronizing of minorities, or in her words "super predators" then there was the alienation of almost half the country, nope none of that was relevant, I'm not sarcastic and water isn't wet.
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@sadolite
the altruistic human being lol, bet he has unicorn bed sheets too.
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@disgusted
And you are only allowed to perform surgeries on yourself, you don't have the right for any assistance.
you really are a special kind of stupid, why do you bother to reply to my posts, I just ignore you, haven't you picked up on that yet?
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@Alec
limiting yourself to a label is silly, address issues individually as an individual is the only thing that makes any real sense.
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I've been revisiting some oldies like System of a Down, just not their or anyone else political songs, I don't like entertainment mixed with politics, a little is ok, but mostly I prefer them separate.
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innocent people are convicted, people on death row or sentenced to life in prison have had their sentences overturned.
fake lawsuits for financial gain are common, often settled due to the cost of litigation.
women should be encouraged and enabled to use self defense, including but not limited to lethal force when appropriate.
let's not forget mattress girl and other false accusations.
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@Greyparrot
and I'm fine with that, like marijuana for example, if you want to grow it for person use fine, but all these shops etc is b.s. because those are only about money, not rights.
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@Vader
that's not how I understand the bill to work, though I could be wrong. fmpov the bill prohibits the actions of someone else in the killing, which I guess, if the woman wanted to perform her own unassisted abortion that is ok which is consistent with the body autonomy etc. Even if you believe a woman has a right to an abortion that in no way means anyone other than her has the right to do it. Rights are not transferable that way I don't think.I am against the bill, not because it's pro-life, but the government should not be making bills on people's body
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@Greyparrot
rolf that was good
I hate how they mess up my windshield too
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@Greyparrot
Does any abortion law penalize the woman directly? Or all the punishments reserved for the Doctors?
I thought a bit more about this. criminalizing people from preforming the death makes sense in that it's their actions that's the problem. While the woman doing something to herself isn't penalized it's the outside assistance that is. This fits well with the bodily autonomy claim. If there is a right to do with your body as you wish that right does not extend or can be extended to others. Giving permission or allowing doesn't grant that right. This mirrors the limits on the 2a with regards to a straw purchase. The morning after pill could also be banned for the same reasoning.
Just because you may have a right to your body does not mean that punishment can't be applicable to others.
Now before people start getting all stupid as you know they will. Guns are not the same thing so on b.s. about if you want a gun you have to make it yourself, you don't even want that, because that will open up a new huge market. Firearms are already produced for law enforcement etc and I believe a ruling said people should have access to standard, common firearms. So to mass produce firearms for law enforcement only is what fascist regimes and the like do.
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@Greyparrot
Does any abortion law penalize the woman directly? Or all the punishments reserved for the Doctors?
afaik just the doctors
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@Polytheist-Witch
You know how every pregnancy ends? Wow nice gift.
I am unaware of any case, ever, in which a woman was pregnant forever, do you know of one?
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@YeshuaRedeemed
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@Polytheist-Witch
Yes. All men should get vasectomies so they can't get women pregnant. Since they don't hold any other responsibility in this mess.
sperm do not have unique genetics like at the time of conception, sperm on their own will never grown into anything other than what they are unlike a fertilized egg, sperm will never have a heart beat, fingers, toes etc where a fertilized under normal circumstances will. You are not that dumb, you are smarter than trying to make arguments such as that, I know you are.
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@Polytheist-Witch
women died before these laws even when it's "legal" so....it's far safer to not get pregnant when you don't want to, you'd agree with that wouldn't you?
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@Greyparrot
you are a better agitator than I am :( I'm jealous.
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@Polytheist-Witch
not all of it is funny, but yes I do love irony, probably too much.
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@Polytheist-Witch
a medical abortion is a choice of which life to save, which is the same as the scenario that was given.
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@Polytheist-Witch
you didn't read the 2nd link, try again.
here's another that may help
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@Greyparrot
That's fine. Maybe the Congress can make it a law that women can claim a fetus as property.
can you imagine LOL
then if someone caused the death of a woman's property they could only be civilly sued, what would be the monetary compensation, value for that property? pretty low I would think if you can discard it at any mere whim. what a lovely can of worms it would be.
Ever hear lawsuits over pets? they are property, emotions and emotional attachment is not something the law considers, just actual costs and damages.
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@Polytheist-Witch
What right to life?
the one in the U.S. constitution
14th ammendment
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@Polytheist-Witch
So five embryos in a test tubes are not alive but in a woman they are. LOL
here I parsed it out for you, simple copy and paste
Regardless of that it does not prove or show that the person answering still doesn't consider the 5 vials life.
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@n8nrgmi
if that's what you think, then you dont equate a fertilized egg as the same as a born girl
correct the girl and fertilized eggs are not the same, afaik a fertilized egg does not feel pain.
Alec is in high school I believe and you are just trying to trip him up, I get that, so I interjected to show him and perhaps teach him how to deal with these types of traps. It's a public forum so I am able to do that.
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@Polytheist-Witch
So it's not life in a test tube but is in a female body? LOL Make your mind up when life begins.
read the very last sentence.
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@Swagnarok
I believe what you said is correct, most don't understand it that way. However certain rights can be, have been and are trumped by other rights, like the right to life. If a right is in conflict with the right to life I would say the right to life is more important than any other. So IF a baby of whatever determined gestational age is a human being then it has the basic rights of all human beings, one of which, the most important imo, is the right to life. Without life there are no other rights.
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@n8nrgmi
if you were in a burning building and you knew five viable test tube babies were at one end of the building, and a little six year old girl was at the other end, and you could only save the tubes or the girl..... which would you save and why?
they are viable at that moment in time, but that can change, there's a higher miscarriage rate than I would have thought, a 6 year old girl probably has an attachment to her parents and them to her, she will feel pain. I've seen this question before and I don't find it all that difficult. I understand what it is attempting to do but it doesn't work. It's attempting to force a choice or show some hypocrisy between saving 1 life or 5, but it really doesn't do that. Regardless of that it does not prove or show that the person answering still doesn't consider the 5 vials life.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Why don't you keep living cancer cells in your body cause I think pro lifers should keep their cancer and get back to me.
cancer cells do not have unique dna as a child/individual does, they are a cell mutation which isn't the same as a baby generally, anyway I don't care to take the time and explain biology to you, it's painfully obvious why you choose not to answer such a simple question, assuming you understood it that is, though I don't think I could make it any simpler, so sorry for that.
seriously though lol, it was a loaded question so depending on how you answer it you are either a monster or hypocrite if you take the position of being pro death. I really didn't expect you to answer it :)
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@Polytheist-Witch
you didn't answer the question in the scenario
the baby is coming out vaginally or c-section because the woman doesn't want to be pregnant and the size of the baby.
if the baby is born alive = woman not pregnant
if the baby is killed and born dead = woman not pregnant
both = woman not pregnant, she gets what she wants
now, since in both examples the woman gets what she wants, why does killing the baby have to be part of that equation to give her what she wants, to not be pregnant anymore.
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@Polytheist-Witch
At some point the baby will have to be delivered because of size either naturally or c-section, when a baby is that large can you explain why it should be killed rather than born and if it survives given up for adoption, because it's coming out one of those 2 ways, given that fact delivering it alive solves the problem of making the woman not pregnant anymore right? so in these instances the choices are, give birth to a live baby, kill it in utero and give birth to a dead baby, there's no escaping those facts, since the desire (feelings) is the woman doesn't want to be pregnant there is no need to kill the baby, just induced or whatever manner is used to make her not pregnant which fulfills her desires. then there's the whole partial birth abortions which do happen.
How about the babies who are delivered alive because the procedure they used to kill the baby didn't work? she delivered, she's not pregnant anymore, still kill the baby?
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@n8nrgmi
simply acknowledging that one race has advantages over other(s) isn't white supremacy. that's just stupid.
but that's situational and true for all races. Have you ever been the minority in a large group setting? You will not get as much attention as they will give to each other, that's just how it is regardless of the race. People mostly like comfort and what they know, or what they think will meet their expectations.
If I were to go into a bar where everyone had piercings and tattoos, and I have none, I probably wouldn't be treated badly or negatively, but they would prefer to socialize with others who have piercings and tattoos, because they would have more in common with them. You can apply this to many situations. To think race, religions, sex, sex orientation are immune from this you don't understand people or society.
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@disgusted
Unless you violate a woman's right to bodily autonomy how do you determine the existence of a fertilized egg?
why did the chicken cross the road?
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@Greyparrot
you ghanabe suprised! rofl!!!! no reparations for you! next!
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@Greyparrot
I think a large majority of people know skin color doesn't mean anything. We should really be concerned about those who don't know that, scary.
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@n8nrgmi
is it?
is it better, worse or the same to be asian, hispanic, middle eastern, pick your own when compared to black?
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@n8nrgmi
do ya'll deny that blacks are discriminated against more often than whites, and also tend to have more economic set backs?of course this is all true, it's obvious to anyone with a brain
that could show a disadvantage to being black, not white privilege
in the job b.s. did they do the same kind of thing with just black and Hispanic names? asian? middle eastern? would the "black" names still get picked last? would an asian name get picked before a white name? see where I'm going with this? their "experiment" was laughable putting it kindly.
white privilege has been debunked because it's a unicorn, just another fairy tale.
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@janesix
it seems we are all just running around in circles/
it is as it seems, circles are just easier to run in than squares.
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@Mopac
I'm not a vegan because I love animals, I'm a vegan because I hate plants.Thst is why the plants I don't eat get chucked into fires.Bwuahahahaha!
now THAT is funny! thank you, I'm totally going to steal it and use it.
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@Goldtop
ok my mistake and apology.
I do agree people shouldn't tell others what to do generally, giving advice or suggestions is fine.
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@Greyparrot
I can understand also why people want to use abortion as a means of euthanasia for a sick baby, but that should be a separate issue from abortion.
in certain respects that can fall under the already D.N.R. laws
as you said it's about person hood, we do not have the right to murder another human, even one who is in prison and has lost their rights
Fmpov that is the linchpin of the whole issue.
Human life > all your rights generally
when rights conflict life wins 99% of the time, if not more.
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@dustryder
what you fail to realize is some states have very powerful teachers unions, so it's not as simple as paying them more. Depending on which state and area you live in, teachers do quite well.
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@n8nrgmi
not this nonsense again, sigh
if you have black name on a resume you are less likely to be called.
so everyone of race x would be less likely to call back a person with a black name? perhaps is where they chose to do their 'experiment' from?
Do you think it's unrealistic to choose a person by name whom you can pronounce rather than being corrected?
chances are if the name is in line with you then you will probably have more in common with that person so I would like to see a study were the person hiring is black and see if they do or do not favor applicants with "black names"
more likely to be shot for the same crimes as white people.
false, stats show more whites are shot
there are inherent set backs that exist if you live in the black ghetto.
there are inherent set backs that exist if you live in the ghetto.
there I fixed that for you.
I deny white privilege exists because it in fact does not exist.
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@Goldtop
clearly not, you are doing more than that because I have not told anyone to do anything, perhaps you need better self control so you stop ignorantly lashing out?
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@Greyparrot
Do you think it is possible that the SCOTUS could use the 13th amendment to overturn Roe V Wade by declaring a fetus a legal person?
IF the is a ruling has to when a human poofs into existence then the 13th would apply as well as anti murder laws.
I'm glad these states are doing this. This issue needs to be settled once and for all.
So imagine for a moment if you will that at some very specific time you transformed from not a human life to a human life, though no one seems to know when that is, it's quite a metamorphosis.
what other animals or things have and grown human dna and human chromosomes other than humans?
the whole premise on this issue is when is a baby a living human because I believe the law prohibits murder, which depending on the ruling could make a lot of people murders.
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