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@disgusted
you opinion is duly noted and I have give it the appropriate level of importance.And you are too ignorant to understand that the abortion question is exclusively concerned with a woman's autonomous control of her own body.
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@disgusted
Morality has nothing to do with consensual sexual intercourse.
your opinion is duly noted and I've given it the appropriate level of importance.
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@disgusted
this is about abortion and your question is so stupid it just astounds me, you can't force someone to receive cancer treatment even though cancer is life ending, threatening etc and pregnancy normally is not, the comparison you are trying to make doesn't even raise to middle school level. What a failed attempt to change the subject and not commit to an answer, umber lame to say the least.
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@disgusted
very good, you see it helps if you read what is written rather than trying to interject your own interpretation and assumptions.
should there be any limit on gestational age to which killing should be banned? and if you want to go a head and explain why and why not that would move things a long faster.
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@mustardness
Webster invalidates your opinion that nationalism is racist, here's your cracker.
definition reposted
loyalty and devotion to a nation especially : a sense of national consciousness (see consciousness sense 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups
(notice race is never mentioned)
Nation- the U.S. is a nation
ist-suffix, Added to words to form nouns denoting a person
Nationalist- a person who shows or espouses loyalty and devotion to a nation especially : a sense of national consciousness (see consciousness sense 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups
(notice race is never mentioned)
So what race is nationalism racist against in your opinion?
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@3RU7AL
correct, so there is no denying that killing has occurred, that should no longer be in dispute and should be settled. When it comes to this issue the ONLY real issue is defining what is being killed and whether that is right or wrong.
there are acceptable killing, like hunting, and there's unacceptable killing like murder.
it sure was a journey to get to this point of understanding, don't know how many others will make it, some I have little hope for.
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@mustardness
I don't know much about them, though aren't some actually more than one organism/creature?
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@mustardness
Obviously you were never a 13 - 25 year old female or 14 - 25 year old male. Sorry you missed out some of the strongest hormonal activities{ desires } ---other than pregnancy--- a human can experience with much joy!
since you are unaware, some people have self control and even wait until marriage or are otherwise not moral-less rabbits.
Not enough and again, education and they need to be free and of superior quality. Then on top of that comes easy to acces next day abortion pills. Duhh!
so you'd like us to believe the abortion pill is cheaper and more readily available than birth control, people need more education on birth control but are smart enough to know about the abortion pill.....ummm that makes sense to you?
And on top of that, humans should not be shamed away from having sex. Sex is going to happen irrespective of what the adults say or do.
that's true hence the HIV problem in Africa, oh guess the abortion pill doesn't fix that does it.
I stated none of what you state above. Please play fair.
you have made the claim many times people need to be educated to prevent unwanted pregnancy and in the same sentence claim they can't afford birth control.
we dont know that the fertilized egg will become a "productive member" of society.
this is true, however we do know some who are born that will never be a productive member of society, so if your desire is to further humanity they we should eliminate those with the recessive genes, disabilities etc, eliminate abortions in the hopes that they will be born superior to then make the gene pool superior, case in point below, also 4,5,6
for those humans that will have a child for future generations, we have technologys to see potential detriemental issues a child, that, they may choose to abort,
my take on your priorities (for lack of a better word) is the future of humans and the earth (pollution etc)
To that end you would like voluntary population control and essentially selective breeding (aborting defective embryos) and of course pollution control, to what extent and how extreme I'm uncertain.
Is that fairly correct?
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@3RU7AL
eh he's the one that wants to make the human race better and survive, I dgaf, so please don't read that out of context and post a rebuttal without the proper context.
have to looked into the availability of birth control and the cost to obtain it? Unless you are in some 3rd world country, it's a non issue statically.
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@Greyparrot
what does it matter, both words have been neutered, whatever effect and impact they once had is gone, this was predicted back on d.d.o i think, it was inevitable, chicken little squawks about it on the news and everyone yawns. For whatever reason the progressives and sjw never learned the simple meaning from the story, The Boy Who Cried Wolf. A valuable lesson lost :(
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@disgusted
you really are thick, to prove sperm has a soul, you must prove souls exists, I never said souls did or did not exist as I have never made the claim, but challenged the one making it. sub-intellectual? LOL anything else you need spoon fed?
Nothing is killed in an abortion, too complicated for you?
there were once a group of living cells/zygote/embryo/baby then trough the actions of abortion (insert label here) is no longer alive aka killed.
caught up to speed yet? Where did I claim to be smart? Do you often throw around lies so easily? You can't be taken seriously given what you falsely and ignorantly spew.
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@disgusted
howz about you read what I wrote since I'm not going to repeat myself, but answer the questions, what did I say about souls? What did I say about what is killed?
you seem to be incredibly dense since I've spelled it out in previous posts, or are you just trolling.
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@mustardness
lol hot air, if that isn't the kettle calling the pot black that's rich.
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@mustardness
you could have just said you had no argument and be done with it, your opinions are just that, for all the verbal bluster you say nothing of value, no substance, the constant parrot like repetition and much like a parrot they can say the words but don't understand what they are really saying or mean.
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@mustardness
do you prioritize others over your family and those you love? wanting to save the world and future of humanity makes you sound like a religious zealot. given the finite amount of resources, you wouldn't prioritize them for yourself and loved ones over strangers, even those on the other side of the world?
you preacher like a preacher, and repeat like a parrot, you have not proven nationalism is racist.
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@mustardness
why would you care if humanity will have a longer term than 500 years LOL do you plan on being around or even knowing?
soul is a religious idea so how you think it means biology is beyond comprehension, you espouse some logic superiority but these painfully simple ideas elude you. And you have veered off so far from the top you've lost site of what it actually is. it's obvious you just like to hear yourself talk, what I find ironic is the narcissistic behavior you show yet condemn others for doing.
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@Plisken
it's supposed to be, but it's gone off the rails, with the questionable involvement in other countries. The other countries don't want U.S. involvement just their money and protection. The U.S. citizens have had enough of that, as they should.
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@Plisken
for me it's not about compatibility but rather priority, America First.
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@mustardness
nationalism, nation, the U.S. multicultural, multiracial is racist how? your assertion that it's somehow racist has no basis.
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@mustardness
population control is the only real option, I agree with that, however you don't have to have sex, there are many places to get free birth control as well, so this excuse that poor people can't help themselves and are too stupid to not get pregnant doesn't really jive with me.
though I would pose you this, if population and to some extent poor are the problem to the world as the population grows, wouldn't it make more sense to euthanize the deformed, terminally ill, retarded etc that can only minimally contribute to society, rather than abort a potential productive member of society, perhaps a ground breaking genius
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@mustardness
I didn't make the definition, I just quoted it :) Sure he's a narcissist, probably every president is/was to some extent, so what? Wasn't there a recent disaster in another county that Trump sent aid to? Hmmm seems a bit odd don't ya think? Why would he even bother with N.K. and attempting to get some kind of peace there? What happened to all the aid for Haiti, do you remember that? Did you rage about that? Inconsistent outrage doesn't make one look very credible.
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@mustardness
Biological life appears to exist eternally.
proof? exist eternally how?
The sperm is a live cell ergo a soul/biologic
proof sperm have souls?
The egg is a live cell ergo a soul/biologic
same as above
The fertilized egg is a live cell ergo a soul/biologic
ditto
did see any mention of souls
Please keep your sick-n-the-head nose *v* out of womens bodies unless they give yor consent to stick it there
I don't believe I have said anything with regards as to what should or should not be permitted, that aside I have read your request, but I'll still do what I want, because I can.
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it's only applicable to a select % of the population and certain demographics, I present to you a rich white woman stereo typing an accent etc, we can extrapolate this to protected classes, switch the woman to a man etc and we'd have things being burned down and people attacked if not killed aka antifa protects.
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@3RU7AL
Killing, knowingly, wilfully isn't the same as letting nature take it's cource, this is where society has drawn a line in most instances. Dnr can be used to make decisions for those who can not.
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@3RU7AL
(IFF) all life is precious (THEN) act like all life is precious.(IFF) some life is more precious than other life (THEN) just say that.
and if all life is precious then food, healthcare, all that is needed to sustain a life is a right, in so far as it must be provided when it can't be otherwise be gotten.
though I think the difference in all of this is the purposeful, knowingly and intentionally killing of (x) this seems to be the line drawn. Letting things follow a natural course doesn't mean something isn't "precious" nor does it mean I must give up anything in order to provide life sustaining (x). Accountability.
So just because you don't want babies killed doesn't mean all extreme measures should be taken to preserve all lives, even if we consider all of them precious.
I don't see it as an all or nothing issue for those very reasons.
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@EtrnlVw
they don't know they are being provoked....but I do Muahahaha
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@mustardness
technology will change all the ancient cultures, there's no way to stop it, it's just the way of things, eventually with enough time, only books will be left about them.
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@3RU7AL
(IFF) a fully individual human with the full protection of the law sparks into existence at the very moment of conception (THEN) every woman who fails to take every possible measure to prevent a miscarriage is guilty of manslaughter.
except there are D.N.R. laws, she is making a D.N.R. decision for her baby, where are you getting confused?
(IFF) someone fails to have the foresight to get a pre-natal checkup to make sure they are healthy enough to bear a child and or indulges excessively in alcoholism and or other high risk behavior then has multiple miscarriages, how is this not considered criminal negligence or manslaughter or child endangerment or child abuse (IFF) every zygote/morula/blastocyst/embryo is considered to be an individual human with the full protection of the law?
Again D.N.R. means you don't have to receive or can refuse treatment. I believe there are laws pertaining to certain high risk behavior, but they are rarely if ever enforced.
If someone is on life support and the doctor/hospital staff fails to provide a proper (contaminated or inadequate) intravenous drip and or trips over the cord causing the machinery to fail, this is criminal negligence and or malpractice and or manslaughter.
and? How is that relevant to an individual or lawful designee making a decision? and you talk about red herring?
Specifically the same people who claim "all life is precious" don't seem to care if deportees are in physical danger.
danger =/= certain death, abortion is certain death, you've stretched your self into knots.
yes everyone is a hypocrite to some degree, what of it?
I'm trying to understand the position you are taking, even though it appears a devil's advocate one, which is fine. If I understand you correctly....
Life starts at conception and the spark of life is a soul (something like that)
All human life is precious
Because all life is precious, in every instance, everything possible should be done to protect or ensure that life (miscarriage, immigration)
is that about right? Anything I missed?
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I win a lot too, though they don't know I win, because they don't know we are racing. You know that jackass driver who keeps cutting in front of people only to stop at the light. I skillfully judge which lane is moving faster, look in the distance for trucks or potential slow moving vehicles and choose wisely. If they are in the slower lane, or they are racing a head in the left lane knowing they need to turn right, I don't let them in front of me. The best is when you make the light and they don't, bonus points for that.
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@Greyparrot
strategic calculation to unify people.
MAGA
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@3RU7AL
you brought up souls, I didn't
every woman who fails to take every possible measure to prevent a miscarriage is guilty of manslaughter.
You and me and 99.99999% of the human population believe that some life is more precious than others.
some=/=all
Once they are rejected and or deported (regardless of age), nobody cares if they live or die.
you presume to speak for everyone? awww come on stretch geez.
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@3RU7AL
ok stretch, so you've dropped the idea of some crazy comparison of deportation to killing whatever it is in the womb? If so let's move on. Given a choice between deportation or certain death which do you think most people would choose? See why I think it's so absurd?
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@3RU7AL
(IFF) an immortal human soul sparks into existence at the very moment of conception (THEN) every woman who fails to take every possible measure to prevent a miscarriage is guilty of manslaughter.
We are going to talk about souls now? Not interested.
I really don't care if abortion is murder or not.But if you are going to call it murder, be consistent and call negligent miscarriage manslaughter.
DNR is not manslaughter.
Identify your axioms, and follow them 100% to their logical conclusions.(IFF) all life is precious (THEN) stop killing people and prioritize life saving healthcare.
that's your opinion that all life is precious, I've never stated mine, stretch.
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@3RU7AL
99.9999% of sperm die attempting to locate the ovum.
lol going to call you stretch from now on.
It is immaterial to immigration law, whether the person lives or dies after deportation.Get out of my country (womb) and fend for yourself, blood sucking freeloaders!!!!!!!!
I say 95% of who are deported don't die because of the deportation, prove me wrong.
they were living just fine before entering the country illegally so your comparison is off the wall, come on stretch please try to do better.
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@keithprosser
I don't care if its called a baby or a foetus.... I prefer to echo Jeremy Bentham"The question is not, can they reason? Nor, can they talk? But, can they suffer?"
so if they can suffer, then what? still ok?
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@3RU7AL
I don't think I've said I'm for or against anything, but rather clarifying, understanding and making some commit to their positions. While it's making some uncomfortable to be cornered like that, it seems to be the only way. Again don't be wishy washy about it, be honest and informed. The sugar coating doesn't stick so well, when it is removed all that is left is the truth, some don't like that now do they.
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@keithprosser
I agree death does take the emotion out of it, for the baby anyway.
How late is too late in your opinion?
You don't deny that it is a baby, correct? (seems some do)
women bring unwanted babies to term all the time, more than abort them so I don't understand the logic there.
in essence desire>life
for the other readers
at 5 months
- Mother begins to feel fetal movement.
- Internal organs are maturing.
- Eyebrows, eyelids and eyelashes appear.
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@keithprosser
I'm not familiar with their guidelines, why do you agree with them?
Heard recently a state is trying to stop abortions after fetal heart tones are heard. Obviously if there's something in the brain/nervous system that activates the heart beat, then it is alive, regardless of any other arguments trying to define it. At the very least it's an animal, lesser life form, whatever, but it is alive.
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@3RU7AL
actually there are probably enough people willing and wanting to adopt, you'd only have the expense until they are 9 months give or take, then it would be the adopting people's expense.
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@Alec
since those are the only 2 options I would have to say, right.
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@secularmerlin
their heritage is all but gone :(
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@3RU7AL
rofl, dude that was stretch armstrong reach you got going on there. Immigrant chose to risk life and limb
We don't seem to care if that human will almost certainly die after they are ejected from our country
unless you have some stats to prove otherwise, that's not true, given how many times people/criminals have been deported, i would call that flat out false. Where as 100% of abortions end in death. apples and grapefruit.
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@3RU7AL
those things are true. the argument that the woman has some kind of special right, or right at all due to dependency when it's inside her vs when it's not, isn't correct or logical.
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@ethang5
good point, they are typically anti military and police, hence the reference to ICE and the KKK
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@ethang5
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@ethang5
for a very long time in history and still in certain parts of the world, babies have been dependent on their mothers for breast milk and would die w/o it, so this whole dependence and relying on the mother's body is a terrible argument. if this is as good as they have.... lol just lol
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the constitution and b.o.r. , anything that enables and promotes individual self sufficiency, freedoms and reduces the government control over individuals.
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@Stronn
and?
A baby outside the body is making financial and attention demands etc, so what.
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