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@drafterman
Let's find a table in the corner, and place order some food.
(do the patrons appear to be local or travelers, any significance in their attire or mannerisms?) (compared to other places we may have been in, does it appear to be busier than we might expect or less so, average?)
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@Greyparrot
this is more fun than a barrel full of monkeys, is that game now racists too?
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@Buddamoose
that was epic
enjoy the election season.....racist.
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@Buddamoose
Its not hard at all to know (that's what she said), all it requires is understanding the difference between a noun and a verb.
"That person is a monkey"Is using it as a noun"Look at how things have been monkey'd up"Is using it as a verb. The history of monkey as a racist term is in using it as a noun, as a verb the word has always had wholly different connotations.On another note, i wonder how that one WaPost journalist is gonna feel after writing a whole article about the racist usage of "monkey" upon realizing they spent 22 years and god knows how much money on education, just to still not be able to differentiate between nouns and verbs.wew 😂 wew
the brilliance of this is the simplicity, bravo!
that really throws a monkey wrench in the works doesn't it. anyway gotta take my car to the grease monkey. Perhaps I'll listen to the Monkeys on the way over, I do like old music.
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@Outplayz
I'm in the medical field, technical aspect, semi patient care, it sucks, most of the medical care jobs suck. that has been my observation in almost 25 years of doing it.
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@Outplayz
I loved the classes, made the Dean's list every semester except my last, made the President's list then :) A bunch of us all got laid off at the same time, there was no work so thought it was time to change fields. However as soon as I graduated with my degree I was offered a full time job doing what I know how to do and had been doing for 10 years. I couldn't pass it up, since then I've been fortunate or unfortunate to continue on in my field, depends on how you look at it lol. I'd have to take a large pay cut to start out as a paralegal unfortunately.
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@Buddamoose
from what I have heard from members is they have some fascist ideals, they advocate shutting down why they don't agree with by almost any means including violence, perhaps this is just pure totalitarian but I believe they are pro hate speech laws under penalty of the state. perhaps there is too much overlap, but I do think they are much of what they claim to hate.
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@Buddamoose
very true, it's the old slight of hand. We'll make a group and call it antifa, they scream fascist, call the president hitler to detract from what they actually do and advocate for. Ignore that man behind the curtain.....But most lefty's these days have more in common with Facists given there is a general tendency in both leftism today and Facism, to elevate the State to the position of God and hold the state as the ultimate arbiter of pretty much everything 🤔
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@ravensjt
I would imagine (I'm not sure) that having a gun in a "Gun Free Zone" would increase the penalty if a gun is used in the location...or better yet, it would be a crime to just have a gun in such a zone.
except that additional penalty after the fact is pretty meaningless to the dead. sure if would be a crime to have a gun in such zone, provided you find it. security that prevents the gun from entering the zone is far more effective than a sign and conditions you mentioned which are more reactive that proactive imo.
But it is a crime in many places to knowingly let someone drive your car while intoxicated (DUI by consent). So with that in mind, having a gun around a person who may have violent or an abusive history should be charged too (imo)
history of, known or unknown, not currently intoxicated. It was in reference to "punish the Seller or original Owner"
Lets say that things go as you described, then the Purchaser has his gun stolen and that gun is used to commit a crime, In my compromise, the Purchaser would be punished which nullifies the senario.
so the officer who had his gun stolen out of his car that killed Kate Steinle should have been charged? Police do get their guns stolen as do people in the military, they should be put in jail for crimes committed with their guns? Or the guy who sells a car and that car is used for a terrorist attack, dui death, whatever?
if you are talking about straw purchasers then I would agree and that already be a law, though probably not enforced much or a very light punishment
I'm ignorant when it comes to BC's (background checks), are they not often done because of the fee? Unless I'm missing something, it seems that's the only thing your senario addresses.
There is no convenient or useful way for a private citizen to do a background check that I know of. Aside from selling it on consignment which is expensive. Or trying to set up a time to meet with an ffl to do the transfer, some of whom charge $50. Since this is voluntary it is my opinion that if the system was convenient and removed potential financial barriers people would do background checks voluntarily if there was a system that allowed for it.
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@Buddamoose
just in case people don't get the irony here a large part of those numbers are things that are preventable
"The impact of residual factors such as healthcare alone would have resulted in a 15.3 percent decline in global deaths. This influence has been even greater for communicable, maternal, neonatal and nutritional diseases — alone it would have resulted in a 30 percent decline in deaths."
but we focus on the 0.05% seems rather twisted priorities.
But in the U.S. the
Nearly 75 percent of all deaths in the United States are attributed to just ten causes, with the top three of these accounting for over 50 percent of all deaths.
(many of which are preventable and risk can be lowered easily)
#10 is suicide
murder is not in the top 10
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@ravensjt
of course you are correct criminals don't follow laws hence the term. Gun free zones in their current definition and state tend to be horribly inadequate. The issue I have with them is hanging up a sign is useless and meaning less. If you aren't going to put in actual security then you shouldn't attempt to claim it as a "gun free zone" Have a do not enter sign isn't much use if the door isn't locked. I know you hate analogies but.....
as far as holding the seller or owner liable, I'm glad you brought that up. In the future for any vehicle or gun I may sell I'll be adding a waiver and indemnifier clause to all bills of sale. Afaik there's no liability or restriction or prohibition to sell a car to someone with many dui's, and the seller is not responsible should they commit more or injuries with the car.
would you support a tax payer funded store that acts as a used gun shop which would require background checks? Let's say I want to sell a gun, I give it to them and they sell it for what I'm asking, they do the background check on the purchaser and I get my money. While pawn shops and gun stores do this, they take a pretty good chunk of the money. But since this would be tax payer funded it would be a very nominal fee. This could be done rather inexpensively if it's an online store, mostly, and the physical location is at a local police station (just a random thought)
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@Smithereens
how long do the effects last? How popular is it?
I don't think there's enough profit in it to do a study. There is some data on THC. Maranol(sp) has been around for a while and available by prescription so there must be some efficacy for that. And I know studies have been done for it, I've actually read the package insert.
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@Outplayz
it's amazing you see some of these people getting sentenced and they act like it's no big deal, even after the 2nd time, you are right about the punishment, it's not enough of a deterrent.
I have my paralegal degree, but never used it or worked in the field. But wish I would have, could have, starting over from scratch....just couldn't do it, but that's another story :)
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@Greyparrot
he was probably thinking fuk it up but went with monkey, the previous would have been better than than latter.
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@Outplayz
totally agree the judicial system, crime and punishment needs a major upgrade in a great many of ways. It's sad if you look at some of the worst straw purchasers and what their punishment was.
6 straw purchases, up to 10 years but you know they never serve the full time
dude read this one two years probation
and this one, she actually gave the gun to a guy who killed other people, sentenced a year
were each sentenced to 46 months
that was a quick search, do these seem appropriate to anyone?
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@Outplayz
we generally agree, though I would offer, you don't track a gun until a crime is committed and even then it has to be found. I have never been able to envision a useful benefit to registration vs the risk.
Something I have talked about in the past is linking criminal records to something like a driver's licence. Criminal records are public info so it wouldn't be a big deal. But allow me to run a private NICS check on my phone or put a code on a d.l. that says that person is prohibited from purchasing a firearm. People will generally do the right thing so long as you enable and empower them to do so. Technology being what it is, it's not that difficult imo.
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@Outplayz
Isn't the NICS system the database where people that are found to be mentally unsafe to themselves or others are suppose to be uploaded to? I was under the impression that it isn't "required" by every state to upload onto the NICS system where about a couple million of these people aren't on the database when they should be.
that's a different issue and not what you said, which is why I asked.
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@Outplayz
making it law every state uses the NICS system.
which states don't use the NICS system? You must have an FFL to get a gun from another state or purchase from a dealer......
so if you wish to give one of your guns to a spouse, parent, or child for example. they should be made to go through the NICS system? What if they just wanted to borrow it?
gun registration is needed for bans and forced confiscation aka buy backs.
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@Stronn
yeah that was a dumb mistake. I'll have to watch it again when I can, some of the defenders said he was talking about socialism and socialist ideas and then made that comment. If that's true then it should be obvious the topic or subject of his comment would be whatever he was talking about right before the comment.
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many dems have used "don't monkey around" and "monkey wrench" different context or double standard?
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Gun Control argument has been going on forever because it's talked about then forgotten until the next mass shooting
exactly, so why not refocus on what I mentioned that have never been as big a priority? It seems it's pretty much an exercise in futility yet we still want to bag our heads against the wall, seems illogical.
check the studies done
virtually all researchers had concluded that it was impossible to discern what, if any, positive effect the ban's prohibition of rifles with "military-style features" had on crime or mass shooting incidents.
but again I would point out how much time and attention we use to discuss guns vs poverty and education that you mentioned.
even vox admits murders are going down
https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/here-are-8-stubborn-facts-gun-violence-america
Here Are 8 Stubborn Facts on Gun Violence in Americathe evidence shows murders and crime have been trending down without any new gun laws, is that true for poverty and better education?
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@ravensjt
Gun Control in conjunction with fighting poverty, education, banning assault weapons etc..... seems to be a much more logical solution
it would be logical perhaps if the focus and urgency was placed on fighting poverty and education rather than gun control and assault weapons. You know Clinton's assault ban was studied and determined it made no statistical difference yet so many still want to focus on it, which obviously takes away focus on things that can actually be of benefit. How long has the more gun control argument been going on? This has been taking center stage for a very long time far above and beyond any talk of fighting poverty and improving education. Yet you still want to travel down that road? That doesn't seem logical.
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@vagabond
lol but if it can save just one life........how fickle a society when we focus on the what instead of the why
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@keithprosser
sure, in this topic it generally happens after or during a fight. bottom line is we all agree violent criminals shouldn't have guns, but how do you stop them from getting them? Again it would be interesting to know the backgrounds, how many gang members, drug dealers etc were in this sampling.
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@linate
"the only point i'm trying to make is that owning a gun causes some people to be more likely to kill someone than if they don't have a gun."
ok here's the problem, I think I've narrowed it down, owning a gun doesn't cause anything in the context of what you are saying. The causes are the primary risks I've already mentioned. Just because abuser doesn't have a gun doesn't mean he won't beat her to death or murder her by some other means. If you are going to murder someone, if you are that evil and crazy, then yes the gun would probably be the best tool for the job.
I'm not sure on all the state laws, but I'd be very surprised if convicted domestic abusers can still buy a gun legally, I would hope that they can't. One of the many issues i take with these studies is there's no background of these men. For instance how many had previous gun charges? That would be a good thing to know when evaluating this "study'. I'm inclined to believe many had previous gun charges prior to the murder, but this wouldn't be good for their conclusion. Apparently the laws are too weak a punishment for domestic abusers as I'm sure most of them had a long history of criminal behavior long before the murder.
this is a criminal problem, not a gun problem.
Do you really think if we removed the guns, these guys would think dam I'd kill her if I only had a gun? But since I ain't got none I caint kill her.
now something else the "study" doesn't show or I didn't read, I may have missed it. How many of these guys alread had a gun vs went out and got one for the purpose of the murder. That's pretty important to know imo.
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@linate
i will have to study the figures to see where the 'five times as likely' figure comes from, but just looking at the end i see...'When women are identified as abused in medical settings, it is important to assess perpetrators’ access to guns and to warn women of the risk guns present. '' Judges issuing orders of protection in cases of intimate partner violence should consider the heightened risk of lethal violence associated with abusers’ access to firearms.'why do you think they focus on guns if guns have no special role in causing murder? just because it's the fastest 'go to' weapon? what do you think of the study's use of the phrase "heightened risk of lethal violence associated with .... firearms"? aren't you arguing there is no heightened risk of violence associated with firearms, just that they are more likely to be the weapon of choice? that's an important distinction. if they wanted to make your point, they would have said "heightened risk of death associated with violent spouses" or something like that.
it would make sense to not allow an abuser access to a gun, since being an abuser is the primary risk factor for intimate partner femicide
this "study" if you believe is focusing on guns I would say there's a fair amount of bias is one reason.
again you are totally ignoring what I pointed out to you, in their own words the primary risk factors, notice which ones were talked about first.
I'll quote it yet again for you "gun-owning abusers’ much greater likelihood of using a gun" notice they chose not to say primary risk factor for intimate partner femicide?
so let's break this down a little more, most of these abusers are probably prohibited by several laws from possessing a gun, would you agree with that? If you do would you agree they probably obtained them illegally?
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@linate
actually that's not what the study said, I put in bold what the primary risk factors were.
people who are abusive are more likely to kill.
and people who are unemployed are more likely to kill.
they were more likely to use a gun if they had one which is a no brainier, but there is no way to conclude they would not have been murdered except for the availability of a gun.
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I remember that study
"of the femicide victims aged 18 to 50 years and 70% of the 307 total femicide cases were physically abused before their deaths by the same intimate partner who killed them"
"Thus, our first premise, that physical violence against the victim is the primary risk factor for intimate partner femicide, was upheld. "
"In comparing our femicide perpetrators with other abusive men, we found that unemployment was the most important demographic risk factor for acts of intimate partner femicide. In fact, abuser’s lack of employment was the only demographic risk factor that significantly predicted femicide risks"
As expected, these effects were due to gun-owning abusers’ much greater likelihood of using a gun in the worst incident of abuse, in some cases, the actual femicide.
(so in other words these guys were already criminals who shouldn't be in possession of a gun)
A victim’s access to a gun could plausibly reduce her risk of being killed, at least if she does not live with the abuser.
is a gun used illegally a very efficient tool, yes it is. Do they know predictive factors that can lead to femicide? Looks that way to me. How does an unemployed criminal purchase a gun legally? Guns are expensive, maybe not so much on the black market I don't know.
So how do you stop the "wife beaters" as you put it from getting a gun they can't have legally in the first place?
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@linate
it's not over 4 it's 4 or more be consistent with your stats, while there is no official number that is what the news consistently says is the number
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@linate
since you can't or won't read the link
9 September 2014 5 killed
so 1996 + 20 = 2016
doh!
what's interesting is since 2000 there have been 3 arson mass murders and one regular one.
but if you look at the other all stats the trend is Australians don't generally like to kill strangers, just their families.
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@Buddamoose
and that would be a minimum number as many are probably never reported, hard to report a crime that never happened.
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@linate
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@linate
what countries or states don't have gun control, I skimmed your article, I can easily pick it apart if you like.
California
1,861
2
Texas
1,316
3
Florida
1,041
4.
Illinois
744
5
Pennsylvania
658
6
Georgia
615
7
New York
609
8
Michigan
571
9
North Carolina
517
10
Maryland
516
11
Missouri
502
12
Ohio
500
13
Louisiana
481
14
Tennessee
406
15
South Carolina
399
16
Virginia
383
17
Indiana
373
18
New Jersey
363
19
Alabama
348
20
Arizona
309
21
Mississippi
259
22
Wisconsin
240
23
Oklahoma
234
24
Washington
211
25
Kentucky
209
26
Arkansas
181
27
Nevada
178
28
Colorado
176
29
District of Columbia
162
30
Minnesota
133
31
Kansas
128
32
Massachusetts
128
33
Connecticut
117
34
New Mexico
117
35
Oregon
99
36
Iowa
72
37
West Virginia
70
38
Delaware
63
39
Nebraska
62
40
Alaska
59
41
Utah
54
42
Montana
36
43
Idaho
32
44
South Dakota
32
45
Rhode Island
29
46
Maine
23
47
North Dakota
21
48
Hawaii
19
49
Wyoming
16
50
New Hampshire
14
51
Vermont
10
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/murder-capital-of-the-us-states-with-the-most-murders.html
States With The Most Murders
1California
1,861
2
Texas
1,316
3
Florida
1,041
4.
Illinois
744
5
Pennsylvania
658
6
Georgia
615
7
New York
609
8
Michigan
571
9
North Carolina
517
10
Maryland
516
11
Missouri
502
12
Ohio
500
13
Louisiana
481
14
Tennessee
406
15
South Carolina
399
16
Virginia
383
17
Indiana
373
18
New Jersey
363
19
Alabama
348
20
Arizona
309
21
Mississippi
259
22
Wisconsin
240
23
Oklahoma
234
24
Washington
211
25
Kentucky
209
26
Arkansas
181
27
Nevada
178
28
Colorado
176
29
District of Columbia
162
30
Minnesota
133
31
Kansas
128
32
Massachusetts
128
33
Connecticut
117
34
New Mexico
117
35
Oregon
99
36
Iowa
72
37
West Virginia
70
38
Delaware
63
39
Nebraska
62
40
Alaska
59
41
Utah
54
42
Montana
36
43
Idaho
32
44
South Dakota
32
45
Rhode Island
29
46
Maine
23
47
North Dakota
21
48
Hawaii
19
49
Wyoming
16
50
New Hampshire
14
51
Vermont
10
9 States with the loosest gun laws (in bold above)
1. Arizona
2. Alaska
3. Wyoming
4. Vermont
5. Kansas
6. Kentucky
7. Mississippi
8. Utah
9. South Carolina
9 States with the strictest gun laws (underlined)
1. California
2. New Jersey
3. Massachusetts
4. New York
5. Connecticut
6. Hawaii
7. Maryland
8, Rhode Island
9. Illinois
the question is why? When you look at this it appears the level of gun control or lack of, is beneficial to some states and detrimental to others. What is it about those with the loosest laws and the lowest rates? Or why do the states with the strictest have the highest murders? I think all these are unique and can't be looked other than individually. Because correlation does not imply causation, you can't say strict laws = more murders and loose laws = less murders. There's something else, there's more to it than gun laws. I believe the stats reflect that. It's also far more complex than believing a ban or more laws would accelerate the reduction of the murder rates which have been declining anyway.
Incidentally Vermont has a gun murder rate of 1.3/100k
California 3.3/100k
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we really do agree on many levels. The lack and no fear of consequences is a serious problem, far more than is talked about or addressed. This is the rotting away of our society.
Consider for a moment how many of these instances the nut job turns the gun on himself. It's something that really difficult to fathom. If he had just killed himself then I guess I can understand his motives, or if he had shot up the place but not himself. But to kill and shoot up the place then kill yourself......he brought a gun with him, that wasn't by accident, it was a what if situation, he had it planned out in is his mind of x happened he'd do y imo.
have you see the video of the 4 year old in a car yelling at the car next to him? calling the other driver bitch etc and the people in the car laughing? That's one way it starts.
then there's all the incidents of students attacking teachers or "parents" cussing out the teacher for attempting to discipline the child. The nanny state doesn't raise well adjusted adults, yet this seems to be the preference, to let them try.
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@Greyparrot
discipline starts at home so does self discipline :) clearly something this nut job lacked. This would also account for the increasing lack of impulse control often seen by these peter pans.
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@Buddamoose
mmga or perhaps just mmg
but yes people do like a good economy and jobs.
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@Outplayz
I don't have the details about Australia other than they funded it more and increased access to mental health services.
What I find interesting in the U.S. is that "well checks" there is no out of pocket costs for. Yet mental health in certain circumstances can be considered a specialist with the higher copay.
I would say the majority of the homeless have mental health issues, the solution seems just to shovel their sh1t away and let the charities take care of them. This goes to my anti illegal argument as well. As there is a finite number of resources, citizens should get first dibs to meet their needs. This is not happening.
to your point imo the left has tipped the boat too far to their side, making everyone a winner means no one knows how to lose gracefully. When everyone is given a trophy, made to believe they are a winner and no one is a loser, when they aren't aren't, real life can be a shocker to those not exposed or equipped to deal with the harsh realities of life. These children are being made mentally weak and growing up to be weak minded adults who lash out like children (antifa members good example). Social media plays it's part in all of this the the ability to deal with and cope has been greatly eroded away from all the sjw b.s. This nut job is probably a prime example of the by product created with this new theory of how to raise children, that's just my opinion.
Ironically the number of murders is decreasing so perhaps enabling people to interact and get their entertainment w/o leaving their home is a good thing. Sure we have to deal with this like this nut job, or swatting but if the over all rates are going down I guess the ends justify the means.
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@Outplayz
it's complex to be sure, but we seem to make it a low priority and turn a blind eye towards the root cause, we are fine to blame the object for some reason which can't work.
I suppose metal detectors will be the new norm and these nuts will get worse as will society, oh well no one cares.
Though I didn't find a ton of information, Australia made a far better effort to address mental health than the U.S. has ever thought of. If this is something you are interested in you should research it.
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@Greyparrot
they have interviewed prisoners and they admit as much. If the odds aren't in your favor and the risk vs reward isn't there, you'll find a different victim. It's very simple logic. Does the biggest toughest kid get bullied? Nope he is probably the bully and it's usually the smallest and weakest that's the victim.
Rachel Carson....wow talk about risk vs reward or benefit in this case.
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again, the number of mass shootings pre 1196 was extremely low to begin with, there's just not enough to make any kind of statistical inference. Australia also pumped a bunch of money into mental health and since most of their mass shooting was family and or mental health related I believe that if there was any reduction created it was because of that.
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@Outplayz
yet we don't seek to find the answer to why people lack self control to the point that their rage leads to killing others over the most trivial of reasons. He could have killed that many with a knife as well. Point is look for the reason to find a solution.
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setting up deals that will make China relatively expendable as a trade partner.
and that is the key, playing both ends against the middle. Though I don't know how the minimum wage for auto workers can be monitored for compliance, but that would be a huge pay raise for those in Mexico I would think.
If you get the same product for the same quality at the same price who cares where it's made. Mexico has a huge opportunity to fill in the gaps while Trudeau is wringing his hands. If I was the leader of Mexico I'd totally undercut or otherwise take away as much from Canada as possible, I mean what is Trudeau going to do about it other than cry?
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yeah they never really had a problem to begin with, prior to 1996 the rates were going down, continued to go down (after it spiked up) without any real steep decline. Not even their own law makers and countless studies can say with any certainty that these bans etc had any appreciable effect on the stats. If the spike after 1996 was an anomaly then why can't the reduction be as well? If it wasn't an anomaly how do you explain a spike after 1996?
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@Greyparrot
thank God it wasn't a fps, he might have killed more than 2, not sure if it's true, we'll see if they release and background on him, but I believe he was a big anti-Trumptard and probably antifa wannabe
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@drafterman
looks good, thanks for all the hard work you've already done.
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@drafterman
str 16
dex 13
con 15
int 11
wis 14
char 09
how does that look?
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Roberts
Human Fighter
Proficiencies
- Armor: All armor, shields
- Weapons: All weapons
- Tools: Smith’s tools
- Saving Throws: Strength, Constitution
- Skills: Insight, Perception, and Survival.
- bonus language Elvish
- weapon Longsword
Equipment
chain mail
a martial weapon and a shield
two handaxes
a dungeoneer's pack
Fighting Style
Defense: While you are wearing armor, you gain a +1 bonus to AC.
At first level, on your turn, you can use a bonus action to regain hit points equal to 1d10 + your fighter level. Once you use this feature, you must finish a short or long rest before you can use it again.
Guild Artisan
- Skill Proficiencies: Insight, Persuasiona
- set of traveler’s clothes, and a belt pouch containing 15 gp
- business Armorers, locksmiths, and finesmiths
- I always want to know how things work and what makes people tick.
- Freedom. Everyone should be free to pursue his or her own livelihood.
- I will get revenge on the evil forces that destroyed my place of business and ruined my livelihood.
- I’m never satisfied with what I have— I always want more.
str 14
dex 16
con 15
int 11
wis 09
char 13
should I redo my stats, I've played so many different versions of d&d I get them mixed up, though I never played 5e much
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Roberts
Human Fighter
Proficiencies- Armor: All armor, shields
- Weapons: All weapons
- Tools: None
- Saving Throws: Strength, Constitution
- Skills: Insight, Perception, and Survival.
chain mail
a martial weapon and a shield
two handaxes
a dungeoneer's pack
Fighting Style
Defense: While you are wearing armor, you gain a +1 bonus to AC.
At first level, on your turn, you can use a bonus action to regain hit points equal to 1d10 + your fighter level. Once you use this feature, you must finish a short or long rest before you can use it again.
str 14
dex 16
con 15
int 11
wis 09
char 13
think that's everything
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They will find Hillary's emails before they find the Russian spy(s) that forced the country to elect Trump.
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