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@RationalMadman
I had never thought of it that way but I don't particularly disagree. However I would say this is how love and morality began and it changed, evolved. What I find interesting is similar beliefs, "morality" can be seen in nature in different parts or times in our society. Canadian geese mate for life which in many ways could be compared to some of our morality. Not having indiscriminate sex prevents spread of s.t.d.s the break down of the nuclear family and society which I think we are witnessing now. Morality also helps prevent hostility, violence, increases they chance of surviability of the species.
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@Greyparrot
@Discipulus_Didicit
I there there's still opportunities just not as obvious or plentiful. Kroger earnings come out the 18th so I'm kind of keeping an eye on that to hopefully strengthen my position. This fall could be a good time to buy. When flu season comes I would expect covid to as well, either in reality or just the scare of it. Though if Trump doesn't win or it's looking really bad for him it might just all go to hell.
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@Imabench
A vast majority of the time instead what happens is that the governor or some official has arbitrarily decided the protest needs to end, and riot police are given the order to start shooting off tear gas to clear it out. Thats what is actually going on.
I don't know about a vast majority, but I do agree some of the governors are using their police in a tyrannical manner, they are flexing and showing their power. The old guy who got pushed over and hit his head, I really don't believe that was intentional, he stumbled backwards because he was starting to move backwards when he was pushed. This imo is the fault of how they are trained and taught. They are 100% control all the time, everytime, I'm certain there is a better way so these instances don't happen. But that starts at the top doesn't it. Who makes these policies and standards? I've said it before, watch the 2a and 1a "audits" on youtube. People think in those instance the police violating people's constitutional rights is no big deal but that sets a tone and precedence . They aren't afraid or concerned with these interactions even when they are recorded and know it will be on some social media platform. The arrogance and disdain for the public comes in part from their immunity and protections from consequences. Just my 2 cents.
You will get whatever you allow/tolerate.
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@Greyparrot
dayum!!!! I bought some bbby in april 20 shares for $4.40 it was up 116.xx% lol wish I had 20k worth of that at that price, my total is >5k and I'm up atm 21.xx% but since I have had them over a year not really worth taking the extra tax hit to sell yet, if it goes nuts I might if it looks like it may go down. also got some dividend stocks, wish I had known then what I known now especially as a much younger man.
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@RationalMadman
man you ask some difficult questions.
Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them.
Dalai Lama
Dalai Lama
my definition of love is a bit crass but so am I, this should not be considered absolute either,
We don't love other people, we love how they make us feel about ourselves, we are self centered, self absorbed etc It's impossible to define fully but this is true in many ways imo.
The same is true with morality I think. safety in numbers, needing those who can do what you need but can't, there's a practicality to it.
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@ILikePie5
don't you love their hypocrisy? it's ok to infringe on the 2a and even speech (hate speech) but don't infringe on a right I want to use/abuse right now.
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@Greyparrot
Larry Elder is brilliant imo and Rubin has finally seen the light.
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@Marko
I thought so as well, some very interesting facts, what I got from it is personal responsibility, imagine that.
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@Stephen
I just can't imagine how it got to that point, where it's going and how it will be fixed if it will be at all. either you live with it or fight against it, I don't see any other choices, but will they fight against it, not looking like it.
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I guess the facts just haven't been adequately given to everyone so maybe this will help someone.
don't just blow this video off, there is some very interesting information presented comparing Jamaican blacks and first generation compared to other American blacks.
I would recommend watching is videos with Larry Elder if your mind isn't so closed it won't allow you to.
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@Stephen
so there was some asteroid passing by the earth here recently, I hoped with all my being it would hit the earth and end this shit show.
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@Stephen
bubububu diversity, refuges......so their culture is a bit rapey, they should make more secure chastity belts and dance videos, obviously if they don't, it's their own fault, it's just part of their culture, such intolerance and lack of understanding, how shameful, who needs a 2a when you can just swing your purse.....seriously wtf.
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@PressF4Respect
William Barr the AG spoke about it, listen to what he said and see if that clears some things up.
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@Danielle
not sure if you've kept up on the recent happings but yeah ignorance is plentiful, black lives matter right? so to bring justice to one black man murdered, we'll kill 4 or 5 more, not sure of the current number and we'll burn down some of the businesses and jobs, that'll fix um, right? Oh and lets defund the police because that couldn't cause any problems or be a bad thing. they allowed a funeral for this guy, a big one, many with no masks, shaking hands, hugging.....um COVID? no one else could have funerals because of covid. they've made a political spectacle over this man's murder. black lives matter has turned into some kind of warped joke.
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Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone
The Police are Not Required to Protect You
so what exactaly are they charging the other 3 with?
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@RoderickSpode
It really begs the question, what would really be considered evidence outside of a direct encounter with a creator/designer for those who are neutral?
that is a question I have thought about for many, many years, if I come up with an answer I'll let you know but don't hold your breath :)
give me a good monolith like 2001 space oddesy and we'll talk haha
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@Greyparrot
those dumbass companies giving millions to b.l.m. when they should be looking for the cure.
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@HistoryBuff
So when you see a black person you know they are unlikely to be "like you" in that respect.
so that's a statistical thing, not a race thing then right? if you see a black person odds are they are a democrat. so?
If you are making judgments about someone based on someone's race, that is racism.
if I'm mistaken because they are not a democrat, that's racist?
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
dictionary.com
I think modern leftist democrats are inferior, that's true, but they aren't a race.
i'm talking about hunting what black people experience all the time. it's not like it's this rare thing no one ever sees.
hmm all the time? I'm certainly open to proof, just haven't seen any yet. It does happen to every race to varying degrees, but all the time? not rare? that should be very easy to prove, so have at it.
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@Greyparrot
the looting and riots have really overtake the original reason that a "racist" cop killed a black man, since the other officers aren't white it's a pretty difficult story to sell now, you can't sell racist cop kills black man while black/asian/hispanic officers help.
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@HistoryBuff
Like classes and tribalism.
those are have little to do with racism in modern times afaik, you have examples?
for example you see a black person and think of them as an "other" even if the guy might have the exact same belief system as you do. But you see a black guy and don't ever know what his values and interests are.
incorrect judgements or mistakes are not racism, often we react based on your past experiences, right or wrong that's part of being human.
So most racists hide it behind a veneer of something else.
I would never claim it went away, but what you are describing is hunting ghosts.
If you are trained to pull your gun on a black guy alot easier than a white guy
that would be a problem if it's true, any evidence that it is? wouldn't the black police officers and other races also receive the same training or are the segregated for their training?
just so I understand systemic is rampant but so subtle you can't actually point it out or given concrete examples, but it exists because.......um, someone says so? I get it, people like the show "Ghost Hunters), they want to believe even after all the attempts at proof and still not coming up with any, just understand it for what it actually is.
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@Greyparrot
a black man was killed which is tragic, but what I can't understand is how murdering more black men fixes the issue, how does destroying the businesses and jobs of black people help? it's like drinking more poison to cure the poison you just drank. or am I missing it?
it's like, you killed one black guy? hold my beer, you amatures that's how it's done.
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@Greyparrot
the mobs don't know how to think is the problem, they ignore the obvious and facts to justify their violence and victim mentality.
I prefer blondes, does that mean you hate all other hair colors?
ok here you pick, here's a blonde but she weights 450 pounds and has a beard, the other, a brunette is a victoria secret model, which is your preference now?
these lines they attempt to draw, absurd at best.
blm! then you see all the dead blacks in the news because they are rioting over 1 dead black guy.
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@Stephen
that and the other 3 police officers weren't white, talk about a false narrative, unless something more comes out that is.
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@Stephen
that information will not/can not be used to justify the cops actions, but rather refute any claims that he killed him intentionally or the other conditions needed for 2nd degree, just my 2 cents.
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@RationalMadman
good and bad, you can't have one without the other, if heaven is how it's described then, as some say, we are already in hell, no matter the most extreme joy you could feel, can't compare to what heaven holds, that's my understanding anyway. The way I see it in context with a possible heaven, other realities etc that we talked about before, this mortal life is rather insignificant. Which then begs the question why bother with it at all? it's difficult to put it all in to some kind of perspective, at least not one I understand enough yet. I find I do a lot of "if/then" statements and patterns of thinking, especially on this subject.
the age old question, what is the meaning of life?
My hope is that I will get to pursue knowledge and attempt to know everything there is to know.
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@HistoryBuff
except I think that is an individual thing not systemic as so many claim. preference isn't racist either is it? If I prefer to not associate with a person who looks like the belong in ms-13 is that racist? isn't it natural that we tend to gravitate to those we have or probably have common values and interests? do you think people mistake these things for racism? have you ever or know anyone who has ever encountered a true/real racist? if it's systemic that should be a pretty fair number shouldn't it? or are we just chasing ghosts?
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@Castin
oh I don't know anything about that
so I found this video https://nypost.com/2020/05/27/video-does-not-appear-to-show-george-floyd-resisting-arrest/ there's no sound but I'm pretty sure you can read his lips and he's saying he can't breathe, you can see at the end it looks like he put himself on the ground, even them walking him over, he wasn't cooperative, notice the Hispanic cop walks quickly from the passenger side of the car to the driver's side and it looks like he is struggling with him to some extent.
a bit longer video
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@Greyparrot
someone do something, pretty much sums it up.
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@RationalMadman
(hadn't heard of the 12th, that's a new one for me, haven't read up on it in a while)
IF (big if) there is a creator, multiple realities, I think our counterparts would be us and not really counterparts. When I think of the present and attempt to put it into context since the beginning of man to the end (if there is an end) our experience is infinitesimally small. Since we are just a collection of our experiences it seems rather unfair so to speak to miss out on all of that and whatever else there is. While I don't think we would directly experience them, rather experience them as an observer which as a "higher being" that experience would probably be just like what we experience now, just as "real". when I try to comprehend the vastness of this reality and the possibility of being able to explore it all it makes sense to me as it would be a purpose. I think if you had everything you ever wanted, you'd cease to exist as you'd no longer have any desires or purpose. I don't recall which religion believes you are reincarnated until you desire nothing and simply disappear, something like that anyway.
as a multiverse, reality being one could live any life that existed or will exist, maybe that's what we are doing for the experience. hard to believe I'd do this again though ahaha
one of many realities, sure I would say that's a possibility
the thing about good and evil....... again if there is this progression and assuming we only have 1 mortal life, what we do here is so trivial compared to the infinite. If there is a biblical heaven then same thing, whatever horrors have been experienced here are trivial to the joy or whatever is promised in heaven.
Consider a baby getting their first immunizations, many times they scream and cry, often if the parents are new they get upset as well, until I explain the context that, that experience is the worst thing that has happen to them (the baby) in their entire life (of usually 7 weeks) So if there is something more I think that analogy would be the same for us.
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@HistoryBuff
they worked at the same place that's true, but they don't know if they knew each other, funny part is the owner of the club said he thought this cop was tougher on the blacks than the Hispanics (place sounded pretty rough), yet the cop worked there for 17 years. It may come out this cop has some serious mental problems, maybe some ptsd from something, lots we don't know and can only speculate about.
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@HistoryBuff
Everyone is much better off if we can all just take the basic steps
that would apply to so many things.......again people don't like to be controlled, told or forced to do things, that just doesn't work well. then you toss in the gross hypocrisy from those would be tyrants and here we are.
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@HistoryBuff
the system has these qualities built into.
what are these racist qualities you are talking about?
An "us vs. them" mentality.
that is a problem, however I would call that tribalism, not racism.
have you see the video of the large black woman slapping a white cop, then punches him, his BLACK fellow officers knocks her the f out. he was part of his tribe, she was not.
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@RationalMadman
What are you sure of, with regards to reality and a creator?
oofff that's a tough one, I'm not sure I can say I'm sure of much really, I guess I look at things as odds if you will, for instance I've explored a bit on intelligent design, which is more likely i.d. or just some random happening, obviously that's a rabbit hole so won't get into the specifics. I like the idea of string theory with different dimensions and different levels. If that theory is true, really to any extent then I think there are multiple realities, how that relates to us I don't know.
Do you find it offensive when people suggest that agnosticism is merely being too cowardly to convict yourself to a faith?
being offended is a choice, people can't offend you unless you allow it and choose to feel it, people can say what they want, but something or someone judgemental like that, that obviously doesn't know me, I would just dismiss them out of hand.
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@HistoryBuff
staying 6 feet away is better than most masks generally available now.
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@HistoryBuff
do you remember that guy in NYC a bunch of cops piled on for selling cigarettes, he died, but I seem to recall he said the same thing and in the investigation or court proceedings, I forget the exact details but the gist of it is, if you can talk, you are breathing, I believe that is just a biological fact, if it's true this guy was saying that as soon as they pulled him out of the car then that could be a pretty powerful defense for him, hopefully we'll find out the truth one way or another.
after he stopped moving.....ignorance of medical stuff will be a defense I think, also he will probably claim he thought the guy had finally calmed down which is plausible from other videos I've seen, eventually they stop fighting in most cases. I personally wouldn't believe the excuses they come up with but that is part of how our legal system works, but we'll see.
as a side note, the cop remained unemotional, calm if you will, that does not mean he didn't care, that alone can't prove that.
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@HistoryBuff
The police had developed a militarized culture. They see themselves as seperate from other people and as largely above the law
100% agree
systemic racism
systemic: fundamental to a predominant social, economic, or political practice
which practice is systemic racism or other predominant social etc give one example of a systems or institution that is racist.
But as an institution, they have an internal culture. they see themselves as a separate group that looks after their own. They see themselves as above the law. This doesn't apply to every individual, but as a collective that is the prevailing culture in alot of police forces.
I can agree with that also.
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@HistoryBuff
Intent to Cause Only Serious Bodily Harm
intent is very difficult to prove, he would say I intended to hold him down, that's all, if I used too much force that was accidental. you get the gist of it
Extreme Indifference to Human Life?
extreme being to opperitive word, Imabench is correct I think, I'm not a lawyer either, it's just very interesting to me to talk about legal issues.
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@HistoryBuff
there are alot of people who are peacefully protesting abuses by police.
they are protesting the killing of the poor soul.
Alot of those peaceful protests (and just random people) are then being attacked by the police while doing nothing wrong.
I have not seen that on the news, can you provide some sources?
This only further highlights that the police do not give a shit about people of color.
so I shouldn't see the cops doing anything to non blacks then right? what about the black cops do they not give a shit about p.o.c.?
They don't care that the protesters' complaints are valid, or that the police are actually proving their complaints are valid as the police commit more crimes attacking peaceful protesters.
who is they? just white cops? all cops? the complaints I hear is cops killing black people which does happen, rarely.
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@HistoryBuff
the riots and looters are doing it under the guise of police killings, this is the false narritive b.l.m. rose from.
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@HistoryBuff
read the studies they link
again look at the actual facts.
but for arguments sake lets assume the values should be double what is reported, that's still pretty low numbers contextually speaking.
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@HistoryBuff
what felony did he commit?
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@Imabench
I agree with your thoughtful analysis which begs the question....why? why would they do this? incompetence or alterior/ulterior motive?
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@ILikePie5
I see it like this, blacks killing blacks or whites is because of faceless oppression and racism, when the murder has a face that you can riot on. Chicago had another record murder weekend but where those take place there's probably not much to steal and it's blacks killing blacks. The gist of it is, it's someone else's fault, the blame game if you will. They rarely march out the one who messed up as a younger person, served time but then turned their life around and is the envy of many from every walk of life. I hear neurosurgeon isn't exactly an easy career. The success stores have to be dismissed in lieu of the victim mentality.
there are evil people, no job is immune from them.
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@RationalMadman
Name you want to be addressed with (including Mr/Mrs/Ms etc): DPR is fine
Religious label I affiliate with: I'm not sure what the label would be but some adjectives, unconvinced, unsure, hopeful
Motive to engage in the interview: learning for sure
In your opinion, if God/s is/are real, is/are he/she/it/they good, evil, neutral or a complex combination? complex for sure.
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@RationalMadman
Name you want to be addressed with (including Mr/Mrs/Ms etc): DPR will make things easy
Political label I affiliate with: pragmatic libertarian (I think)
Motive to engage in the interview: being understood, learning as I'm asked to explain etc
In your opinion, is freedom, harmony, prosperity, intelligence or some other such priority the top thing for society to aim for? no one thing, freedom and peace would be best imo
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@Buddamoose
wow, I mean wow, can I copy that and post it on my facebook? that is one of the most epic posts in a long, long while, perhaps the #1 I can recall reading, thank you.
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so apparently this cop was a violent guy before he killed this man....
when the club hosted events that drew a mainly black clientele, responding to fights by taking out his mace and spraying the crowd, a tactic she told him was unjustified "overkill."
"He would mace everyone instead of apprehending the people who were fighting," said Maya Santamaria, former owner of El Nuevo Rodeo club in Minneapolis. "He would call backup. The next thing you would know, there would five or six squad cars."
"He would mace everyone instead of apprehending the people who were fighting," said Maya Santamaria, former owner of El Nuevo Rodeo club in Minneapolis. "He would call backup. The next thing you would know, there would five or six squad cars."
Chauvin's off-duty job at the El Nuevo Rodeo club stretched over 17 years
Now when you put that into context with 18 complaints against him as a cop, he's a bad guy but does that mean this murder was because of his race? I thought yes, but now I'm not so sure.
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@HistoryBuff
dear god... you are arguing it is the WHO's fault that america has a shitty culture?
I am? these voices in your head that make you read things that aren't there, stop listening to them.
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Heard something interesting today, apparently they worked together as bouncers or something, George got the cop fired.........this was revenge this wasn't racial.
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