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@Ramshutu
The part where it would have to go through the brain to register. This should have made it simple:So, which part of the fact that electromagnetic radiation from the sky is predominantly between 380nm and 500nm is “based on feelings”
Under the framework we are in. You can't distinguish between our feelings given the nature of our existence. We use our brains which is subjective to interact with the world.
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@Ramshutu
What do you think objective means?
not based on feelings.
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@Ramshutu
Last time I checked, blind people had other senses, and are capable of using equipment such as spectrographs, etc: but even then - your examplewas mostly a bit of a straw man, because it’s not like they see blue as green, and can’t agree on the color, they just can’t make the observation.
So not seeing observable means they can still receive evidence? Explain to me how it is the case.
It would be greatly appreciated if you told me what part of my comment you were addressing.
Observing something external, having multiple other people observe that something, and all agree both on what they are seeing, and it’s inherent nature does very much make it an objective observation.
An appeal to popularity?
What if multiple people saw God would that be an objective observation?
Truth is what is congruent with reality; for probably the third time, objective means not based on feelings.
Under the framework we are in. You can't distinguish between our feelings given the nature of our existence. We use our brains which is subjective to interact with the world.
Like I said, your making this way too complex as I think you’re not using an appropriate definition for what objective means.
Objective is something not based on feelings. You can say something is not based on feelings while also using your brain to type that.
Objective and subjective is the difference between “this weighs 8 tons” and “nickelback are a great band”
Analogies are best used to cater to the area that the person is knowledgeable off. I can't picture 8 tons nor have I ever listened to a complete nicklebank song apart from nickleback being a feature of another song. I like video games and keep it broad since I don't really play the most popular games when trying to make an analogy to help me understand what you are saying.
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@Alec
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/136MFNyPCnOs50_QltxPvkBpS2OydnNfG7WZYb21qTrM/edit#gid=0 states that a 24.3% sales tax would generate $6.718 Trillion. This would be enough to fund UHC, reduced college, and most currently existing government programs, plus our foreign debt can be paid off in 4 years. Currently, the US government spends about $3.3 trillion per year.
Tell me again are you a mathematician or economist?
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@Snoopy
What is the point of adding the sales tax when what you are asking would not even reach 1 billion?
Taxes aim to give money to the government. This can be used to reduce unequality of the classes. What do you propose to help that divide if you are asking for what I think would generate less than a billion. Maybe I am wrong about how much but what I am going with is that it will be less than the actual tax you want to remove.
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@Alec
What does IRL mean?
Can't believe I am telling someone else and acronym.
IRL = In real life
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@Alec
I prefer both sides.
I meant for left wingers but now that you mention it I prefer someone to be well informed on topics instead of listening to propaganda so no PragerU and sometimes no Sam Seder, Kulinski etc.
Not all taxes. For example, how can they find loopholes from a sales tax that's implemented nationally?
A rich person can avoid taxes and with your logic we shouldn't have taxes given that rich people can tax avoid. What is your statement against that?
Taxes are implemented nationally already yet the rich tax avoid.
If you close one loophole, then the rich find another loophole and some non rich people can't use that loophole that was closed.
Which is why a rich person can still tax avoid your sales tax. Implemented is not a distinction because most taxes are national like the income tax.
How? Most rich people will pay the $125 tax for their IPAD and move on. They won't hire a $200 lawyer to get around $125 of taxes.
So you are telling you are taking away $125 from a rich person? What world has less taxes improved wealth inequality again?
I am very good at math. Top 3 in my PreCalc Honors class. I don't think the math I did on my sheet is hard. It's a bunch of multiplication and some addition. You can check it out if you want.
So no. Being good at something doesn't make you qualified. Qualified people can be good but that is not always the case. John Lott is an example of a bad qualified economist if my thoughts about him are correct.
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Hey!
You are above me and I would like to challenge you.
Have topics in mind and I'll pick which one I would like to take part in. You get to pick various topics you are comfortable talking about then I'll pick from the ones you are comfortable with to make a debate about it.
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@Ramshutu
How can they observe it then if not with their eyes?Blue is what we call electromagnetic radiation at a particular frequency. Both the color blind and the blind have the ability to determine electromagnetic radiation from the sky is at the frequency even if they can’t observe it directly with their eyes.
If the world didn’t really exist, and we’re all brains in jars; it’s still what everyone observes
Observing something doesn't equal it to be objective.
I think you’re mistaking what is ultimately true or not with what is objective.
What is the difference between ultimately true and objective?
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@Ramshutu
Color blind people wouldn't see.We all observe that the sky is blue.
Blind people wouldn't see.
we still all observe that the sky Is blue.
Want to change that statement?
They would still be objective even if the world didn’t really exist.
You are assuming this. You have no way to prove this.
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@Ramshutu
How can we know external facts?Objective things are based on exteternal facts and evidence, and generally don’t very much need opinion to be given.
I had a contention with that. I did read everything else but for me to talk about things other than your foundation would not be worth exploring until we cover this.
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@Alec
It's very hard to focus on hard stuff. Also, when I'm on break mode, it's very hard for me to get stuff done.
Me too. I think mine was more of a nuture then it ever was a nature but still of a problem of mine. Mine goes around not really caring which goes into difficulty into focusing. It is hard for me to get stuff done at all given I couldn't give a shite.
As long as I watch both left and right wing stuff, it's better then a Pro-Con video because the biased videos will say things that you won't hear in an introduction video.
Both sides can make shite arguments. Just watch good left wingers. My advice is Destiny.
It's 3 hours. Seems like a long time.
Watch it in chunks. 15 minutes one day the another 15 minutes tomorrow until you have finished it.
The left ought to support it because the rich have ways to avoid paying income tax.
This isn't a case against tax instead case for bad implementation. Are you against all tax because the rich can find loopholes in all of them? This very same argument can be used for anarchy. Just want to make sure you understand it.
The really rich hire lawyers to find loopholes that allow them to pay nothing in income taxes.
So we should abolish taxes altogether?
If the rich don't pay income tax, why should the poor? A sales tax
Which is why it should be improved instead of outright abolished right?
A sales tax I don't think would create any loopholes.
Same tax loopholes will exist. Your plan doesn't address the problem it simply masquerades it in a new form.
This is why according to my calculations, a 1% rise in the sales tax raises about the same amount of revenue as about a 2% income tax rise on everyone.
Are you an economist or mathematician?
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@keithprosser
What the hell. I thought you were going to confirm my biases. Oh well.
I still think Maths like with other things have feelings involved but we try our best to not have feelings involved. If we didn't have feelings we would have advances at a much faster rate like robots but we feel. That feeling comes into the way of lets say objectivity like maths. I don't think we can ever remove ourselves from our feelings but maths has been helpful just not objective. My take on it at least.
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@Alec
Yes. Asperger syndrome.
Difficulty with change : Me too
Extreme focus on a topic of interest : Me too
Challenges with empathy : Yes
Engaging in stereotype, repetitive behaviors : I am very out of the norm so no me too
Hypersensitivity to sensory "assaults" : Don't have problems with over-tasting food or something.
What difficulties are you willing to share that you have in daily life?
Unsure. I imagine everyone has it to some extent but I have been watching some Secular talk in addition to Prager U.
To me both are propaganda channels. I know it is shocking for me to call a left leaning platform propagandist but I think it is true. Watch Destiny instead. He does debates and recently he did a debate with Hasan Piker of the Young Turks. Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLfAuWe3xho
I consider him my favorite political commentator even though he doesn't like to do it. I think he doesn't. I wouldn't be the person I am today without him. I would still be an uniformed conservative masqueraded as a centrist. He might not be as big as help as he was for me for you since I know of others who have know of him but haven't changed but it is still worth a try.
About confirmation bias: I think everyone has it but it is best to be aware of it so that you are not willfully accepting ideas that wouldn't go through the framework you use.
I am fine with some left policies, like reduced college and UHC/Medicare for all, but what prevents me from being a lefty is how I want them funded. I want them funded with a sales tax. Moreover, I want the income tax abolished on the federal level and replaced with a national sales tax.
Wouldn't abolishing the sales tax and income increase wealth inequality?
Maybe chess. I like strategy games and don't like games based off of luck.
Lynching will commence. Joke by the way. Chess to me is boring. It is not visually stimulating or something I am invested in outside the video game. It helps to be invested into lets the UFC so that I am more familiar with the characters. There are other games I like which I have become more familiar due to games similar to those which can be good or bad.
Mundane 80 year life. I value being alive.
That's a yikes from me.
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@Mharman
I am just going to use the same questions but change one of course.
Do you consider yourself more open minded than the people around you?
(You conceded on the polling part where Greyparrot didn't concede. I think you can be a soc dem in no time but I don't really have too much to gain if I do convert you. You can still talk to me about it if you actually open minded and/or willing to hear why I think it is a better position. Detail for the yes or no would be useful.)
Do you think you have confirmation bias?
(Just search up the last two words you'll understand eventually.)
Why aren't you a social democrat/neoliberal?
(You better have a good reason or I'll have nothing to work with)
What is your favorite game of all time?
(There is a wrong answer and lynching will be involved)
What is worse living a mundane 80 year life or living happily for 20 years of your life?
(These are set in stone you can't change that)
That is all for now. I'll ask more if I can think of more.
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@DebateArt.com
Can you change the wording below People?
"Anything about an individual or individuals that doesn't fit in the other forums"
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@bsh1
Famous can be anyone relevant. On this site if you have questions asked from you you are relevant.
If that is too much of a pill to swallow I'll ask DA to change the wording. I'll just ask him anyway.
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Come on bsh1. You are slacking. Even Ramshutu is not following the rules. I think he deserves to be punished for not following his Gods.
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@Alec
Are you actually autistic?
(I am sure you said that once just one to make sure of it)
Do you think you have confirmation bias?
(Just search up the last two words you'll understand eventually.)
Why aren't you a social democrat/neoliberal?
(You better have a good reason or I'll have nothing to work with)
What is your favorite game of all time?
(There is a wrong answer and lynching will be involved)
What is worse living a mundane 80 year life or living happily for 20 years of your life?
(These are set in stone you can't change that)
That is all for now. I'll ask more if I can think of more.
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@keithprosser
So I am right?Russell and Whitehead proved it in Principia Marhematica.
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@Mopac
Never said that.Belief in God does not imply belief in books.
Belief that God exists is belief that there is Ultimate Reality.
Belief in God is a rejection of ultimate reality. When you look at the Bible as your word from God you reject a better measurement of ultimate reality as in science instead opt for a lesser much worse measurement also known as the Bible.
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@David
If you are not feeling your best do less for the site and give some of the burden to Ramshutu or bsh1. Your effort plus bad mental will not be worth it. If you want cheers from DA users sure it might be worth it but to think you will have some more of a gain then don't expect that. Your mental health is not worth helping this site. Think selfishly once you are having a bad time you are not going to enjoy life. If you do not want to think that way then if you are bad mentally you will be less effective for this site.
Basically what I am saying is:
If you had to choose your mental health over the site. Fuck the site. Screw bsh1 and Mike. Tell them you can leach from someone else or just say what I said in a nice way. Your choice. I am giving suggestions.
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Yet people assume he exists. That isn't the problem it is using that assumption to use books to dictate things to people.
An atheist can't dictate a supposed not-natural begins commandments when they don't believe in it.
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I recently went on SupaDudz profile and realized he gave me a friend request. Me not knowing this meant I couldn't accept. I even checked my friends section on the notification bar and SupaDudz wasn't even there.
Am I missing on how to check who has given me friend requests or something?
The way I checked was: Blue Bell Icon ----> Friends
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@David
Okay. Off to complaining to Ramshutu then.
I think it would be best to have very little interent access. Firstly, to show you are not addicted and secondly appreciate other things in life.
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Trump classy? I have never heard of such thing.The one Trump rally where he has to show some class.
I find his brand of demagoguery repulsive, not sure why people get so excited hearing a guy brag and rant about ugly politics for an hour.
Me neither but almost half the country voted for him.
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Who would have thought. Trump would disavow his very supporters.
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@DebateArt.com
I think it would be easier to simply drop it down right at the bottom of the forum section when someone has clicked on each of them.
Have the "Read Important Topics" section hidden at the bottom until they have read an important announcement at the top of the forum section.
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@bsh1
I think it will also look better if all text went like this "Important Topics" instead of "Important topics". That is not as important as what I said above.
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If I have seen it as in when that was added. Can it be minimized or brought down to the very end of the forum section? Preferably the second option.
I think it is a good idea because I wouldn't have to move my mouse for a longer distance to go what I want and the red exclamation is kinda annoying. Mainly because it catches my eyes and when I see it I am programmed to do something about it. I have various phone apps that use the red color but instead of the exclamation mark I have a number signifying how much I am missing.
Just gripes. I think it would be coolio to do.
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@Ramshutu
That’s not an assumption that doesn’t do it justice
I am not here for justice. Just stating what is. An axiom is an unjustified presupposition also known as an assumption.
Because we need to sssume we are generally rational beings and this isn’t all a hallucination
Need to doesn't make my observation wrong.
doesn’t mean that objective quantities such as Pi, or numbers are subjective; the assumption is inherently baked into the notion of objectiveity itself.
What is the notion of objectivity?
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@Ramshutu
Mathematics is an abstract concept.but no matter how you feel about it, or how you feel at a time, you can’t make 1+1=2 just because you feel like it.
1+1=2 equals is true based on assumptions. We are rational thinking agents being one of them. Do you disagree?
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@Ramshutu
Mathematics is an abstract concept. Gained through subjective place of the mind.
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@Ramshutu
I'll repost this. Don't know if you missed it or not.
How can something not be based on feelings?
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@Ramshutu
How can something not be based on feelings?
So computer logic is the most important thing to you?
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@Ramshutu
What is the most important thing you know?
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@Dr.Franklin
"The U.S. and Iran have never officially fought a war but the two sides have engaged in bouts of violence since the CIA-backed coup that reinstalled Iran's monarchy in 1953"
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@Dr.Franklin
Who started the conflict?
Can't you defend the very thing this discussion is about?
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@Dr.Franklin
The link states that the CIA engaged in the violent conflict. A US agency engaged first.
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@Dr.Franklin
The old regime was aggresive
So now that I debunk your claim instead of stating the US started the conflict you instead justify it. Care to tell me why you moved the goal posts? Is it because you can't defend your original position?
Who were the old regime aggressive too and I want proof?
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In the article, they were being aggressive with their war
The oldest event mean thing was this "The U.S. and Iran have never officially fought a war but the two sides have engaged in bouts of violence since the CIA-backed coup that reinstalled Iran's monarchy in 1953" which the US started.
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