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@secularmerlin
Next time can you have two questions on one forum post? Thanks.Also did you have to bring this to the phylosophy thread?
Don't want to talk about the legality about it. More so morals like I am sure I implied with this:
You can decide to talk about your argument for abortion preferably outside law
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possibly talk about if it was in a perfect world or talk about my position.
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@secularmerlin
Always on the defensive. I see. This is not part of my reply.What do you mean by good? That us a very subjective term.
As in if we value human life to a point where don't want it to end and would do anything in our power to prevent that. I am sure I already answered that here:
I still take the stance abortion is wrong if wrong is we don't murder humans.
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I would like to know an argument that makes abortion a good thing. Make sure to help me follow the train of path you are going through like tell me what you mean by person-hood or conscience so that I don't need to ask it and I can go straight to problems or agreements.
Personally I am not for abortion if this was a perfect world but because it isn't. I am for abortion. Mainly I am for legal abortion because illegal abortion will occur and that would have issues on its own but in a perfect world and now I still take the stance abortion is wrong if wrong is we don't murder humans.
Since I have given my personal stance. You can decide to talk about your argument for abortion preferably outside law and possibly talk about if it was in a perfect world or talk about my position. I would prefer the first but you can do what you want that discusses abortion.
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@Stephen
"As to those who reject faith,I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, norwill they have anyone to help."
This is God not really telling followed to do so. You can't accept this as a call to action from Muslims because it mentions "I" as in God who supposedly wrote the Quran.
We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire,and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.
Depends on what it means by "We". Would we mean immaterial things or tell material followers to do so. My guess this is about angles God and stuff.
They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike.So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.
You got me here. "seize them and kill them" is pretty much a call to violence. A Muslim would say this is in context with the time era but that is BS because if the person reading the Quran requires the context the book is not timeless. It is like saying my life is timeless as long as if you only look at the time I am alive. Basically a change in what timeless means really.
unless, those who wage war against Allah And His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption/mischief is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.
Another immaterial threat. "All and His Messenger" both immaterial doesn't say something like you should do this.
You, who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [infact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you – then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.
Not really a call to arms more so a point about segregation.
"I Will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them".
You have got another one. "strike off their heads" is a direct commandment to the followers.
And fight them until there is no fitnah and[until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease - then indeed,Allah is Seeing of what they do.
This would be dependent on "fitnah" which by Google searching came up with unruly ruler. Just depends on what Quran says about what it is considered an unfit ruler.
And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know [but] whom Allah knows. And whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged.
Depends on what it means by terror. Terror is fear but can be shaped in different ways. All would be bad because it is fear apart from exceptions that I can find where fear might be okay.
It is not for a prophet to have captives [of war] until he inflicts a massacre [upon Allah's enemies] in the land.
If you can find a verse that pretty much says be like the messenger then you have another point.
"Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush".
Another one for you.
Fight those who don't believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah (jizyah = tax levied by Muslim on non- - believers or be killed on refusal to pay) willingly while they are humbled.
Don't know why you highlighted it because this is not the best quote for your side.
The Jews Say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah." That is their statement from their mouths;they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah Destroy them; how are they deluded?
Basically said an immaterial thing to destroy a material thing. Wishing death upon someone isn't really violence if it is done without a hearing what you want to happen.
You who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous.
Not really the best quote but still is violence.
Okay so I think in order for your point to get across much better simply show the best examples of this. These are: Quran 4:89, Quran 8:12 and Surah 9:5. The rest are not a direct call to arms which is why it is best to stick to these three because these are direct call to violence.
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@Stephen
Can you point to what verse he used to carry out an attack?
Do you deny the women inequality of the Bible or not condeming slavery? More so a side note.
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@Alec
Shite picture by the way.
Here is my imgflips:
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@EtrnlVw
I'm only responding to you once, because you seem to have strong biases and that is utterly annoying and impossible to argue with in any intellectual sense.
Your a hypocrite. Asked him for evidence for spirituality could not give it then implies I am lying about what I think I am. Problem here is that what I am asking is not difficult for someone to prove gravity is real but guess you can't do that for spirituality. Yes it is utterly and impossible to argue with someone with strong biases. I really understand how you feel more than you even know.
This is where your ignorance shines so bright, the argument for God is as good as any and always will be, perhaps much more applicable and plausible than any materialistic approach. The reason you can't see that is somewhat disappointing but not surprising. It's actually the norm, are you content with that?
Just like your argument for spirituality. Non-existent. Shame really thought I was going to read an actual argument for God. Guess having irrational beliefs really does lead a person susceptible to other irrational beliefs.
Where did they fail when you consider the nature of God and how long religion has been available lol?? the funny part is, is that the proof of God's existence has been shown many times over through spirituality yet you sit like a dum dum waiting for some ignorant scientists to give you answers when it's already been made known. You just think you are somehow above the evidence. The evidence however slaps you in the face cold. Ever thought about that?
Guess you are using a butchered form of evidence where just because you feel something is right therefore it must be the case. Spirituality and God have yet to be consistent with any metric apart from the metric of non-existence. Praying doesn't work. No link between some-kind of immaterial object like God or spirituality in the material world. Guess people are going to stick to their irrational beleifs and lie to themselves about "evidence" as if they know the meaning of it.
Give me a good example of that atheist. All I hear are strawmen and dishonest assumptions.
I'll give it as an individual not some sort of representatives to all atheists.
1)KCA concludes by saying there is a cause for the universe. Nothing in the argument that can provide an argument for God. So basically they would need an additional argument for God's existence.
2)Moral argument falls flat when there is no objective morality or if you don't believe that then there is no way you a theist can prove it.
3)Creatio ex nihilo has never occured.
4)Cause and effect is not an argument for God because God would also require cause. If not then the person is committing a special pleading fallacy.
Here have shown how 4 arguments are false. Not really too much detail but I don't think you care because of your biases and how little you care about rationality when you have irrational beliefs about spirituality.
It is dishonest for you to go for fringe elements of a group and not target people who make good arguments. The people who make good arguments against God would not be straw-manning. I could tell you who they are but I am capable of making those arguments so I don't see the point of giving someone that comes to mind.
So in other words you have counted out God, because the arguments are in favor of the nature of God presented as evidence. So much so it's almost impossible to ignore the evidence unless you are a biased troll. There's more testimonial evidence for the paranormal and God than for any other topic.
"testimonial" evidence. Now I understand how you got to where you are due to my encounter with you with spirituality but guess I forgot that irrational beliefs leaves people susceptible to other irrational beliefs. I could have guessed that because theists are not really original when it comes to butchering what evidence is. I think you are completely irrational. To the point where you actually think I am a "biased troll" and thinking "testimonial" evidence is somehow good evidence. It is a shame how indoctrination made you irrational or maybe you are just st*pid. Talking to you would be more fruitful if you did can make a substantial argument but as this has shown. You have shown two times where you are unable to make a rational argument.
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@sadolite
Can't really say it is an absolute either way but I think innovations would certainly lead to self-gain then as a secondary gain would be making other people's lives better.So you believe people invented these things because they wanted to make peoples lives better?
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@Mopac
You actually have no idea of what you are talking about. You don't know what God is that is the truth and I am sure you are in denial about that fact.My argument for God to you is that you don't know God.
If you accepted the identity of God as being The Supreme and Ultimate Reality, the existence of God would be self evident.
It is like saying if you just liked apples you would just like it. I failed to see how you even know what God is to even preach to me about it.
Many have a conception of God, and then they either believe in or deny the existence of that conception. The Ultimate Reality is not a conception. It is reality in the truest sense of the world.
Mumbo Jumbo coming from a person who doesn't what he is talking about. Not surprising since I have seen you say things like this before.
All in all you don't know what you are talking about and i hope you get the help you deserve. You are an example of what theism does to people. It makes them think they know something when they actually don't.
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@secularmerlin
Well there are d*mb people around the world. It just matters when they are d*mb. If they are d*mb when it comes to voting or making decisions on the detriment of others which are wrong then being d*mb matters. Being d*mb in a video game I am sure matters to the person not knowing what to do but as an impact it would be very low compared to lets say banning abortion.Given the way things are. That is rather the whole point of this thread I believe.
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@sadolite
If you mean "other people" as in every one then yes. Technology has improved, health has improved as well. This "way back in history" is false. Every advancement in lets say the phone industry has improved phones. This can be reducing the time it takes to boot up the phone, allowing for more storage. Something more related to a job can be an improvement in cameras or internet speed. All this makes people's life better.So it is your belief that we are better off now because groups of people got together way back in history and said we need to make life better for other people?
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@secularmerlin
Not because it is not possible. More so the change will not occur given the way things are.Ok then.
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@secularmerlin
Yes.I mean sure while we are wishing but surely you recognize that this is an unlikely scenario particularly in the near future.
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@secularmerlin
Doesn't seem to dampen their enthusiasm. Quite the reverse actually. In my experience the more you point out the logical flaws in their arguments the more rabidly they argue.
I think you missed this part
"make sure indoctrination doesn't occur so theism along with other irrational beliefs are removed."
I'll also add giving people critical thinking skills.
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@secularmerlin
You have already stated that if we know about the brain we would have an answer. I say we would know both answers. That is all that really matters. People can then move on to believing God is an alien but at that point they have very little standing to their arguments and can be seen as irrational as they are.There will always be those who appeal to the unknown and there will always be the unknown.
There will always be a god of the gaps argument and there will always be a freewill from the gaps argument.
Saying that there will be doesn't mean they even have ground to stand upon. When science completely knows about the brain they can't create a good argument for freewill. It will be everyone who isn't irrational job to make sure indoctrination doesn't occur so theism along with other irrational beliefs are removed.
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@secularmerlin
Yes but without appealing to the unknown they have less ground to stand on. It would make them look more irrational which they already are.Faith does not require proof, which ironically is exactly what makes it a poor pathway to truth.
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@secularmerlin
I think you are wrong. If science does eventually completely understand the brain then find no location for freewill then that idea has been officially debunked. Souls don't exist and spirituality has yet to be proven. With this in mind there can be a case where science can find an answer for the non-existence of freewill because if they know everything about the brain and still can't find freewill then that is no ground in science and as far as I am concern I couldn't give a rat's a$$ about what a book which has a lesser standard to truth says.
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@EtrnlVw
Not really. I consider myself to be intellectually honest and try to be intellectually consistent. With this in mind there has yet to be a good enough argument for God which is why I lean against it. So much time theists had to prove God's existence yet they failed. Atheism the rejection of God has been around for much less time. In that time they have found arguments for God to be fallacious or not even arguments for God in the first place. With that said I haven't counted out God more so waiting for a good enough argument for it. I think I won't be getting one ever but I can never know what the future brings.
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@DebateArt.com
The text I am writing now. Do you have plans on allowing me to change the color of it?What do you mean?
As in instead of it being black text it can be red text.
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@sadolite
The point is if I am correct about Swagnarok position is:Whats your point nothing has changed since the dawn of time. There will always be poor people always been always will be. You some how think some one size fits all solution will change that?
We should ought to make people's lives better. Saying something is doesn't mean we shouldn't do something to improve the situation. Poor people are better off now than in the Middle Ages because people wanted to do better and if we don't have the mindset of improving people's lives your life wouldn't be better off. Maybe everyone indirectly ticked that goal without knowing. Doesn't mean it isn't a good thing and we shouldn't ought to improve people's lives.
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Depends on how you define "concrete" "confirmed/denied" "figured out".
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@janesix
Says the person who didn't understand what he wanted in the forum post
I'm not sure why you don't like skyrim, it's the best game ever
Instead of saying that you should have said. I want it to be specifically be about the forum.
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I'm not going to change my mind. I have fun with it, that's all that counts for me.
Then don't ask for a person's opinion when you are incapable of having a decent conversation. Don't say something like "I'm not sure why you don't like skyrim" when you actually don't care about my opinion and only want people to confirm your biases.
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@janesix
it's the best game ever
Not even close.
Here is a 4 part series each being longer than 25 minutes. I can't begin to tell you the faults of this game with the detail he put in. Make sure you are actually open to having your mind changed while also having a standard for how you would go about getting your mind changed. This set of videos is more than enough to change a person's perception of Skyrim by any fair standard.
Games that I think and would defend being better are:
Elder Scrolls Morrowind
Fallout New Vegas
Witcher 3
Dark Souls 1 (Not really too much like the other 3 but still worth a try because the experience gained through this game is to my memory has never been gotten in other games)
There are other games but I will stick that since I played them all. Haven't finished Morrowind but with the other 3 I have spent a ton of time on each.
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The one that breaks the game.
I don't really like Skyrim because Fallout New Vegas is so much better and even for Elder Scrolls games Morrowind is the best.
Here is an idea of what I am saying:
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@Vader
You went from 1k to 2k by spamming. That is so annoying (no offense) to people you give thoughtful posy 90% of the time, 50% of yours has been spam
It tracks forum posts not what you consider to be "right" forum posts. I don't want to do it any-more anyway.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Slavery was removed from the Constitution. Get it removed then.
The constitution didn't allow slavery to be permissible. It was the non-law that made it prevalent. Adding laws made slavery less prevalent.
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Shame it was spoiled by the Doctor Strange scene where he doubted Stark's will to sacrifice (Not directly but implied that if he told Iron Man what would happen he pretty much said the outcome would be different). Even though he has shown that side of him since the first Avengers movie.
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Yes.
Remove Betsy DeVos. She is cutting funding.
Don't think she has a good enough case to stop funding.
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@Ramshutu
There are exceptions to pretty much everything but I doubt you don't think generally no to allowing people to not vote on a debate because I think it would be an exception. If those exceptions are a problem then it can be added to rules which I think it is in a form of harassment so I don't see the need of adding allowing people to not allow people to vote on debates.
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@WyseGui
I wish people were consistent with their daily lives. This would be less of a problem because then they wouldn't be committing a special pleading fallacy. I can only hope they realise their inconsistency and fix it. Less theists less irrational beliefs.I absolutely believe this now. Before yesterday maybe I would have given them the benefit of the doubt. But yea, you are right.
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5. Jon Snow
4. Eddard Stark
3. Oberyn Martell
2. Tywin Lannister
1. Tyrion Lannister
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@WyseGui
It matters too much for them to be honest with themselves or are incapable to see how irrational they are.Even a christian should be able to admit that.
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No.
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Infinity War is better than Endgame.
Thanos was reasonable. (if you remove the fact that he had an limitless gauntlet).
Avengers looked better Infinity War. Beard Cap is better than non Beard Cap. Hate that st*pid suit he brought back. Dad bod Thor is bad and his beard is awful.
Can't believe they killed most of the Guardians of the Galaxy cast in the first one so it gets docked for not having that cast until the end of Endgame.
One good thing that I liked about Endgame was that Thor joined Guardians of the Galaxy.
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@dave2242
Okay. Forgot about that.you created a form named endgame you could of put this there
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@dave2242
No disagreement I guess.
Was going to post whatever I had here but then realised there are other places that I can put movie related stuff as in the movies section.
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This will be specifically addressing this line said by Joker in the Dark Knight.
The Joker: [while hanging upside down] Oh, you. You just couldn't let me go, could you? This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object. You truly are incorruptible, aren't you? You won't kill me out of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness. And I won't kill you because you're just too much fun. I think you and I are destined to do this forever.
With this in mind the flaw of Batman is that he won't do whatever it takes to do what is right. He won't murder a person who will only bring harm to this world instead breaks a few bones then waits for them to be a problem later on. Sure in the movie he died I think or maybe because of Heath Ledger's death they removed him the the last movie but Batman didn't end his life. If the problem was ending someone's life Batman sure doesn't mind ending the life of animal when eating it for dinner. Doesn't directly happen in the movie but in other media it has. So basically Batman is okay with taking the life of an animal if it is not directly responsible for it but is not okay with directly taking a life. The problem here is that the animal still is dead and Batman benefited from it. If Batman murdered the Joker every single person who could potentially die because of the Joker at the very least would be the prison guards would not die and the people who died in the past will be avenged. Guess Batman is not a utilitarian.
What does anyone else think?
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Infinity War is better than Endgame.
Thanos was reasonable. (if you remove the fact that he had an limitless gauntlet).
Avengers looked better Infinity War. Beard Cap is better than non Beard Cap. Hate that st*pid suit he brought back. Dad bod Thor is bad and his beard is awful.
Can't believe they killed most of the Guardians of the Galaxy cast in the first one so it gets docked for not having that cast until the end of Endgame.
One good thing that I liked about Endgame was that Thor joined Guardians of the Galaxy.
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@bsh1
Just realised you guys had this similar to DDO. I am just going to do non-spammy stuff there.
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@bsh1
How about
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Each of them are for a different post.
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