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@Stephen
So what are you saying with this?
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@Snoopy
Nothing that you said rebutted my claim and why books are a better source of information than statues and if people want to destroy statues there is still the better alternative that is book.
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@Alec
If a Hispanic is working, paying taxes and voting while also not being involved in crime but doesn't speak English. Has he assimilated?Basically, speaking English within the public sphere (exceptions apply but in general the only language they would be speaking is English, even if they know others)
If not why is assimilation so important?
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@Alec
Address my concern that if Hispanics don't assiliminate, they will break away from the US as history has confirmed or concede.
What do you mean by "assimilate"?
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@Snoopy
No I am saying children have imagination therefore they do not a statue to have some sort of idea of what history was like. If they do simply see that picture in a book.Oh, are you delving into parenthood now?
Of course, everyone has an imagination but I don't understand how you intend for me to tie that in.
His argument was a slippery slope fallacy and saying children can be interested in history because of a statue. The problem is that he didn't say why so I assumed the aesthetics. The problem here is that a child can see pictures in a book to get the aesthetics of what they were going to imagine.
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Well, that's not what I'm saying
I didn't say you said that. Instead I am saying children are capable of using their imagination as a way to escape reality and into a one they like.
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@Snoopy
The thing is children imagine many things so to say this is out of their bounds would not be true.There really is something about making it a real part of life that is inspiring, and people only learn things the easy way if they are willing to take the initiative.
I don't see any indication of understanding such a privilege here.
What do you mean?
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@DBlaze
I said they work as a catalyst gaining interest in history. You don't just bring a picture to a kid and hope he reads the book.
Your argument is still because children likes statues therefore they would have a greater interest in history. The thing is books can replicate that and also give him/her a better source of information.
You don't understand how one leads to the other, and sometimes unexpectedly.
If you are defending your slippery slope fallacy then you are defending not leading to burning books not destroying statues. If you don't know what a slippery slope fallacy is. Do read this: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope
It's just like reading a required book in school, you just don't have as much interest if it is required, even though it is probably a good book.
This is false. It is the emergence of something more entertaining to children that makes children bored of reading books. Not because books are boring. If books were the only source of entertainment then they would be used by everyone. A book offers aesthetics with pictures and information with words.
Movies are not a good historical depiction because they are have become saturated with political correctness, and always have some sort of agenda instead of facts.
So are you saying there can't be a politically correct statue?
This entire argument is a non-sequitur. A movie can still be historically accurate while being politically correct. Yes movies do like money but in order for the movie to do well lets say in blue-rays or in multiple showcasing's it would have to be a good movie and if it does depict what they are trying to depict correctly it doesn't matter if it was politically correct.
Documentaries are better, but still tend to focus on some of the wrong things.
Documentaries are movies or TV shows. So you made a distinction without a difference. "some of the wrong things" is so vague that I don't see the point in addressing it.
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@Snoopy
As in people who live in the city or country.In this instance, I was unsure what society means but could still infer that it referred to a majority populous.
I am positive that there will always be some degree of interest in the estate so there is an inherent choice in the hypothetical.
If you are right then it never needs to be taken down.
"Should public officials not representing the interest, destroy the property that the minority of people value, or account for that value?" I believe it is actually privately owned already, but could be wrong.
Okay.
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@Stephen
bsh1 said:But here you are making threats to members for all the forum to witness..
Since you do not respond to PMs
The very first line so he is justified in using his most recent response to issue site rules. If he answered his PM's bsh1 would not have resorted to this.
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@DBlaze
The statues work as a catalyst to read the history books.
Depends on the value society has for it. The young generation I am sure were the people who were destroying the statues so the young of that area if were less into vandalism I think would just simply asked the relevant authority to take it down. Since the young are the future generation that would take the place of the old it would have been removed anyway if they cared enough to destroy it later on in their life.
Who is that person on the horse? My parents would answer and I would have more knowledge, then I would want to read about what happened.
Not the best way of doing things. Movies and books are better. It has more information and if the child doesn't like reading show him a picture. That picture is like a statue but covers less space and can invoke the same reaction. Children are not really too rational so I don't see the point in pleasing them to the detriment of younger people who are going to be replacing the old much sooner.
That will no longer happen. If you get rid of the statues, you might as well burn the books too
Don't see the point. Books offer more than a statue so I want to see it to believe it. This is also a slippery slope fallacy. If A happens then it can lead to B happening therefore we shouldn't do A. Not saying how destroying statues is bad instead saying it can lead to something else.
trying to erase history and believing that all of the South were evil people getting what they deserved, and forgetting that the north was just as bad in the way they treated blacks, even worse in some cases..
History is not being erased. They are only statues. Many books I am sure have been written on the topic that have gone into much more depth than a statue could ever. If they really wanted to erase history it would be the burning of books as a primary source and advocating for the government to remove any existence of these people from the internet.
You might as well remove every statue that was built in homage to slave owners, which is most of them.
Fine then. Statues are not the best source of information and not even close. So it is mainly aesthetics. The best argument you came up with for not destroying statues was that a child might be interested in history because of the statue and a slippery slope fallacy of it can lead burning books so we shouldn't destroy statues. It really goes to show how little value the statues have.
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@Snoopy
If people within the country or city say we don't want and have a good reason for demolishing it then so be it.What do you mean by society in this context?
Why demolish it rather than transferring into private care?
Why make the distinction between public and private care?
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@Snoopy
I'm referring to the home at Mt. Vernon. You can still tour it today
If people wanted it sure. Does look nice but if society deems his accomplishment not worth showcasing in his home then relegated to only books. I am fine with that.
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@Snoopy
Shall we remove the Washington Monument
It looks nice and I did see Spider-Man Homecoming where he had an action scene with the monument but I don't really care too much about a statue. I would be kind of annoyed if was taken down because it does look nice but it doesn't impact me apart from when I saw it in a movie.
tear down the estate as well?
Can you be specific about this one? What estate?
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@Snoopy
I would advise the person to take a picture from it. I doubt there is a large audience going through their national park waiting and spending time as an occasional occurence. I think when someone sees the statue once they don't really need to stand and see it twice but with a book it does require multiple readings or a very in-depth reading in order to understand everything about what is said. A statue can do very little but a book can have many words.Do we really want to forget, or what do we really want to forget?
If its not handed down, the people are losing something that they won't get back from a book
The value of the statue is less than the value of that same person in a book. So I would be more opposed over book burning than statue demolition. I would be annoyed if the statue looked really nice but it is a statue not a book.
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@Stephen
If you have an irrational fear of spiders. You are an arachnophobe.
If you have an irrational fear of Islam. You are an Islamaphobe.
If you have an irrational fear of Christianity. You are a Christianophobe
I don't really know why this needed a forum post.
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@DBlaze
The city was tearing down historic statues.
Statues like words only have the meaning you give it to them. If the meaning is more than what the society deems acceptable then I think there are right to take it down. Sure the people of the statues did great things but you can't just remove that they had slaves. That much of a problem still impacts to this day which is a justification for removing statues. I would hope it is done by professionals instead of students but I am not really bothered too much by that if no-one is harmed by the process.
It is a part of history and you cannot erase it.
You can't erase history by removing a statue. Even if we forget about history. History is still the same but people don't remember.
This is why the statues should not be brought down so people will understand what happened in the past....which you clearly do not... they also stand as an acknowledgement of what the country has overcome.
Is it worth remembering and why do the United States needs statues since all this is recorded in books?
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@DebateArt.com
Can you add next to the instigator and the contender if they are for or against what the debate is about? Only just realised the colour red is con and green is pro. If it doesn't fit you can make the font smaller.
If you don't want to do this why?
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Have a feature where there is a 5 second delay before someone can accept the debate. Maybe have when clicking on accepting the debate a link they go to highlighting key information. Like DDO.Yes, the country is not a democracy, but rather a democratic republic
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@Ramshutu
What would be the minimum number of forfeits required for an auto-loss debate?
Would it adjust depending on how many Rounds there are?
- this will only be available on 3 day rounds (so you can’t trick an opponent with 12 hour debates).
How would this be tricking?
When you accept a debate you understand how much time you have for each argument. If they are not able to meet the rules laid out by the instigator they can simply not accept or ask the instigator to change it if possible.
why have this not be included with non-3 day Round publish argument phases?
Any thoughts?
Good idea. Hope the execution is also good.
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@Stronn
This should be based on around fairness.
To answer your question yes it would be racist but it depends on the situation if it is fair or unfair to judge them.
Example of fair blame: A does not want to date a person who doesn't have the same skin as A because they are different.
Example of unfair blame: A does not want to date a person who doesn't have the same skin as A because they don't share same interests.
Unfair blame would be if the person based their decision outside race.
Fair blame would be if the person based their decision based on race.
This is based on if they are capable adult so above 25.
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@Outplayz
Okay.I was just telling you the sign i've noticed i don't get along with.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
Opinion = How I think or feel about something.True = That which is conforms with reality.
I didn't understand your questions as well. Can you rephrase it?
Is it not always true apart from our opinion?
This is not what I am saying
It doesn't matter what my opinion of my senses is.
I am saying we perceive this from those senses using our brain.
You do know that in some cases the subjective and objective can be the same thing right?
So like this was my opinion on this day? So basically a objective subjective opinion you made?
Your senses gave you objective information and you took it beyond the information and made it subjective.
Yes but we use our brain to perceive it right?
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@Snoopy
Yes. Do you want reasons?Do you think the EU is justified in "making an example" out of the UK?
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
I said this:and I gave you two answers.
I would still like definitions
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We perceive with our senses and those are not subjective because my senses happen regardless of my opinion. Therefore, your claim is invalid.
No but what you interpret from that is your opinion. I can say x people in this study didn't like chocolate. My opinion is most people don't like chocolate.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
Is it true regardless of what I think?.Please don't ask for the definition of true. There's only one.
I asked two question and do use speech marks so that it less time for to know what you are talking about. I would still like definitions.
to third point.Fine, you claim we can't know, what's your justification for that claim?
That information is out of our reach. We are perceiving our reality using our mind which is subjective. We require it to understand the world so we can't just remove and replace it with something that is not subjective.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
Yeah I am asking too much when I want to know where he aligns politically (joke). I not asking too much.You're being too black and white about it.
Political parties are not hive minds. This is why I'm non partisan
I said that as a general statement to say who he attracts more and if he was on the left it would be a problem because people are on the right are seeing his message and re-affirming their political positions instead of looking at the left due to how incapable he is at making value statements.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
Is the meaning of motion not objective?
In our framework yes since it gives consistent results.
Is it not always true apart from our opinion?
What do you mean by opinion?
What do you mean by true?
To say we can't know it would be skepticism on top of nihilism. If so, what is the reason for your skepticism in this case?
I never asked the question can we truly know. I stated we can't truly know. There is a difference and why I wasn't showing skepticism. I hate the skeptic community too so I would never call myself that due to people who were and I don't know if they still are surrounded by it.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
Can we not acknowledge a truth he speaks while denying the falsehoods?
He spouts evidence already given to us by people more credible but he thinks they are required to be said by him. He makes no mention of his position so his work is credited by the right and disliked by the left. Peterson cultists are st*pid for following him.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
I am sure nihilism refers to there is no objective meaning in a sense we can't know of it.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
A style which eludes what he actually means behind his statements? If everyone followed his style we would have to assume everything about their political positions and it would change how people speak to one another.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
No way. His political views are worse or lack thereof. The problem his that he only makes prescriptive statements not descriptives which leaves a lot of people on the right to pretty much say would are more happier in the house. Even though JP denies that he doesn't say what ought be done with the data just states the data.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
At least this came back to nihilism.
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@Stephen
So you understand how st*pid something is but still did that st*pid thing. Wow.
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@Alec
Don't listen to Stephen. He doesn't know what he is talking about.
Talk about private healthcare vs public healthcare
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@Outplayz
Depends on the situation and how much time I am given to do an action. If it is in a debate I have plenty of time to "think" it over.Do you "think" things through more than use your "feelings." Do you go with your heart more than you do with your head type thing. Just reason that out with yourself. If it's truly split, than also look up INFP... if not, you're more INTP.
Like my room is a mess, but i know exactly where everything is. Actually, when i clean it up i get confused.
I think my room is tidy.
i've never met an ISTJ that didn't hate me and i hate them, almost instantly (met 4 in rl and couple online). It's like my total opposite... it's pretty wild.
I think you are saying if I met you in person I would hate you. I doubt it since from this and past comments you weren't hate-worthy.
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@Stephen
He has been meeting great expectations of the Republican party status quo.Since the great Donald Trump won the American Presidency
the United Kingdom decided they didn't want to be dictated to any longer by a bunch of jumped up, self serving unelected strangers in Europe.
Keep telling that to yourself when the UK will have to make a deal with Europe and realise they will get a worse one than before because the EU will make an example of them and all the UK can do is accept it or go to lesser developed countries to trade.
You don't know what you are talking about. It is always been like that. It is easier to conform with higher-ups than it is to tell the truth because your job is on the line if you do something against the status quo of the business. Don't see how 20 years it wasn't like this or even earlier on with the war propaganda.
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@Alec
I think multiculturalism is dangerous for the future of the country because of the various former countries that have accepted multiculturalism and that have broken up on this basis
What countries are "broken up"?
Can you define "broken up as" well?
If you can do tell me how it was the fault of multi-culturalism.
All immigrants should assimilate into their country before they enter the country.
I thought you require to be in the country for I think 3-5 years in order to be a legal citizen. Why are you making this distinction?
If they fail, they should assimilate in classes that they or their parents pay for.
What if their parents can't pay for it?
If they can't afford it, they take out a loan to pay for it just like college.
What if by taking out a loan they have started a trend of not being able to pay off their bills or the loan is the start of their debts?
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@Titanium
I can't really gauge very well if it isn't blatant and I am pretty annoyed as is.I'm kidding and I don't advocate the extinction of the human race as a solution to poverty. Didn't mean to be a downer.
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@Alec
In what does this answer what I said?Even if he isn't all knowing, he's still pretty smart.
This is consistently what you do. When I press you on your ideas you decide to make non-sequitur comments.
Should I expect you to not be able to answer simple questions?
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@Alec
If God is not all-knowing how does it exact its punishment by looking at everyone's life and cataloging what they have done?I don't think that God is all knowing.
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@Alec
God doesn't have to be perfect for him to be so powerful that he might as well be all powerful.No one is perfect, not even God.
So are you saying God is not all-knowing?
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@Alec
Then how is it God then?God's plan isn't always 100 percent effective.
Are you saying there is a being more effective than God or are you saying God is ineffective when it came to drowning people to wipe out its mistakes?
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@Goldtop
That would be true.While I don't think that all theists are mentally ill, religions certainly do draw the mentally ill to them.
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@Titanium
K*lling poor people does not solve the problem. What part of that don't you understand?All right you've got me. Lets just do the noble thing and walk arm and arm to extinction.
I gave you a response to your motivational speaking.
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@Titanium
No. Poor is dependent on what you mean by it. If it is a percentage of the population doing worse than the working class then eventually when you k*ll them off the working class will be apart of that then you k*ll them of the middle class would have to be k*lled off. That is a bad idea.Yeah, I guess killing all the poor people was more realistic. I'll agree.
My main objection to the Trump tax plan is that they did not trim the budget in an effort to pay for it and it is creating massive deficits.
So it wasn't that not everyone got a tax cut instead the rich?
The high taxes on business are borne by mid and low level companies while larger companies are more mobile and just moved their taxable assets overseas.
Which should be addressed.
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@Snoopy
If you actually stood by that you wouldn't have even made this commentI'm not interested in jacking this thread, and since OP is still unanswered, its not appropriate for me to continue the chain with you.
If there is a fundamental flaw it is the "ism", the idea implicating capital as an operative principle, rather than a medium of utility. Free Market Principle would likely be a better representation of the positive connotation sometimes attributed to capitalism.
but you did
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No I didn't. I received a reply so that you can make a vacuous statement. I specifically stated ism which has a set of beliefs to it not capital but you decide to still think a vacuous statement was needed.You received a reply out of courtesy
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