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@Alec
If it impacts a person's well-being then they be justified in silencing you. Like saying something like you advocated for an ethno-state and wish to deport browns and blacks. That means those people who are deported will be impacted by what you have said which has been made into law.I don't want to get banned on the basis of extreme opinions.
Type1 did not recieve warning. The CoC states:Bans may also be issued, without being preceded by warnings
You can ask the bsh1 and Virtuoso if he has been warned. Note that can if they want to tell the person they are being banned. I think he was notified on his behaviour.
“Anyone who takes this seriously is a retard who should be in psychiatric ward to begin with.
No, people should not be obligated to "remove ideas they don't agree with" you stupid Orwellian wank biscuit.
Now go bother someone who gives a rats ass about your whiny, annoying finger wagging BS.”
“Listen up you fucking barrel of monkey cunts.”
“You are an ignorant neo-liberal cock holster that thinks being a leftist is about feelings and virtue signaling meanwhile you support the same capitalist establishment that is gang raping the earth and the human race. You know what you are? You're just a fucking conservative with a testosterone deficiency.”
Harassment. From Ramshutu's Round 1
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
I believe that you should enter my profile picking forum post in order to broaden your horizon and possibly change your profile picture.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
I believe we are all going to d*e.
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@Alec
I advocate for only minimal restrictions on free speech. Beyond the exceptions that I listed, I don't see any reason to ban any other speech.
Free and restricted cannot be together. If you add a restriction to speech it is restricted speech. If you don't have restrictions it is free speech. What part of that don't you understand?
I think I'm willing to concede this because there are technical restrictions.
What do you mean by technical restrictions?
There are 2 contentions that I have:1: Is Harassment bad enough that it deserves to be censored?2: Did type1 commit harassment? If so, can you cite an example?
Yes to number 1 if given enough warning and they still carry on.
https://www.debateart.com/debates/691 For number 2 Ramshutu showed clear examples of him breaking the rules which does include harassment.
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@Snoopy
Would you support tariffs?American?
Stopping immigration?
Support keeping race percentage the same in the US?
Support your country even when they do bad?
For those questions give me a real-life example as well.
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@Snoopy
According to the evidence, yes.
Can you describe your nationalism?
Now what?
I'll tell you when you get there.
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@Snoopy
That would be a lie. Rights come from the state not something given from God. If it was a person should be able to point to a certain instance where a government can't intrude on your right but they can.Traditionally, in American philosophy the state is constructed in respect of certain rights which are thought of as independent from the state
Are you a far-right AKA alt-right individual?
I am going to keep asking you this until I get an answer.
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@Alec
Death threats, maybe threats in general, yelling bomb on an airplane or fire in a crowded movie theater without just cause should be banned.Beyond that, I think all other free speech can be allowed.
Aren't you advocating for restricted speech? The speech your are talking about is not actually free because there are restrictions. Do you concede that and stop using incorrect terminology?
Did Type1 make any death threats? Since I don't think he did the latter 2 exceptions for free speech (yelling bomb on an airplane or fire in a crowded movie theater without just cause), I don't see why he should be banned if he didn't make any death threats.
Harassment is what I would also put on the list. If Type1 was given a warning which I am sure he was and was still doing it what was Virtuoso and bsh1 supposed to do in that situation? Not ban him?
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@Snoopy
So are you part of the far-right AKA alt-right then?Again, perhaps it is considered in context of an alternative spectrum. In my experience socialists, and people (beside jokesters) who accept a label of "alt-right" express rights as coming from the state, which is incompatible with traditional American politics.
express rights as coming from the state, which is incompatible with traditional American politics.
Are you saying rights don't come from the state?
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@Snoopy
"nationalism" I have taken numerous tests made by people claiming to understand a left-right spectrum, and have never "leaned right" before.
So even after many people telling you are wrong you still won't listen? Good to know.
You do know nationalism is a form of fascism right?
Adding on to what I said: Another reason why you might be incapable of changing your mind is that you have yet to answer my questions. Maybe you want your mind changed with just 1 point made and move on and not talk past the surface level. If that wasn't true why haven't you answered my questions and simply just moved on?
Fascism ( is a form of radical, right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy, which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[6] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.
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@Snoopy
What part of it do you sponsor to?Okay, so I am "alt-right". Now what
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@Snoopy
I would consider centre-right individuals traditionalists but to the extent they are can determine where they land. I think if you push most of them they will go to the far side of the right.
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@Snoopy
Also, how is this "alt-right" defined? I presume it stands for Alternative Right, perhaps on an entirely different left right spectrum.
I would consider that to be either a person who supports an ethno-state, is a nationalist or supports some form of fascism. Basically a fancy way of saying they are far-right.
I think it does stand for that but it was mainly used as a tool to re-brand the far-right to be more palatable.
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@Snoopy
To the image? It means Shapiro is not reasonable and should be treated as an alt-righter instead of a centre-right individual (don't even think many of them exist).What is the significance?
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@Snoopy
Puppies are Cute
What does have to do with the alt-right?
"Racial Equality" is probably undesirable
Who is for racial equality again?
Its inappropriate to call healthcare a positive right
A right is something given by the state. If the state does not even care about the health of their citizens then why do they even care about free speech? Oh wait one is not worth anything.
Rap is "crap" (I find it lacking in musicality)
This is mainly used to add more to why they dislike other races. Rap is crap is just a cherry on top of them hating black people. Attack their culture to make it sound reasonable. Rap is part of people's culture whoever listen to it. Just so happens that blacks digest raps more than whites.
This was not done per-capita since it was a survey but I think it would be true per capita blacks digest rap more than any other race.
Nationalism is healthy, within reason
No it isn't. Saying you love your country is not a way of improving it. When you are celebrating your country people who have actual power declare war on foreign nations and take away your rights or laws that help people had. Here is one such thing:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXZZXwqm-hU
Taxation should not precede policy
Don't know what you mean here. What do you agree with from that image that you this "lower taxes on billionaires"?
It is morally irreconcilable to ascribe evil on account of net worth
Where are you getting this from?
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I had
42% openness
46% conscientiousness
4% extraversion
0% agreeableness
90% neuroticism
OUTLOOK
Realist
CHARACTER
Indulgent
SELF CONTROL
Impulsive
COMPOSURE
Direct
TASTE
Homebody
SOCIABILITY
Master
ACTION
Laid back
ATTITUDE
Disciplined
PROCESS
Drifter
RESILIENCE
Headstrong
If the link doesn't work for some reason
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@Snoopy
Agreed ideas by both Shapiro and alt-right figures.What exactly do you find compelling about that image?
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@Snoopy
First few seconds should give you enough idea.
Do ask if you others don't work also.
I didn't really use links since I already knew his positions but put in an image like that really makes a convincing case of Ben being an alt-right. Shame the links don't work.
Edit: If you carry on he basically says people choose to be poor and in order to do well in life simply get married and two other things but from what I watched he gave evidence for that. So one substantiated point and 2 claims made by a supposedly left-wing think-tank.
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@Alec
Sending death threats is "mean stuff". What "mean stuff" would you tolerate for the already restricted speech you have?If he has merely said some mean stuff, being mean isin't a crime.
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@Snoopy
No sadly but if you click on the bottom part of the image it will zoom on in a link which supports what they are saying.
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@Vader
I don't really have a good memory so I can't add to the list.
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@Alec
There are rules on this site and if Type1 had a problem he should have told it to bsh1 or Virtuoso. If he did and they said we will not change the rules from what you have said, Type1 should have taken that and simply changed the way he talks to people.
I support free speech for everyone, even for type1.
You are irresponsible if you allow everyone to speak their mind. Even in developed countries they understand death threats and call to violence should not be tolerated which is a way free speech is reduced. This is much better than allowing people to say "I will k*ll you" and only acting when the violence has started. If a policeman has enough reason to suggest that this person will attack then they should step in before it occurs. Maybe they have seen a weapon or the person is moving in closer to the other person. We should do what we can do de-escalate conflicts not escalate.
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To RationalMadman:
I don't understand that. Any chance I will get that in words?
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@Titanium
Not everyone is capable of changing their mind. Some of them are too far gone and you have to learn to let go.
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@Titanium
This was given to RationalMadman but he didn't decide to use the profile picture would you?
If not do you want me to pick your profile picture? If so do answer the questions I gave.
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@DebateArt.com
When someone posts a post on my forum post without addressing me I still get a notification. That rule is not applied in debates. Why is that?
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@Titanium
Is there a reason why you carry on speaking to diavolo?
It is really clear that is incapable of changing his mind due to his beliefs. No matter how much reason you use his emotion will triumph because that is what he values most. Emotion rather than reason.
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@Alec
You can think whatever you like but he holds a lot of-alt right positions. The only things that separates him from being part of the movement is that he is a Jew. It is very unlikely that Shapiro is a self-loathing Jew so at least he doesn't share that but with every other position they agree. Saying I was sent X amount of hate from the alt right in this 20XX doesn't mean you don't hold similar views. Maybe it is because he is a Jew and they dislike them but if they really were smart they would realise he can be a powerful ally for their movement. Just switch historical revisionism about what happened with the Jews under Hitler to hating Muslims. That way they would have a powerful ally but guess they really care about lying about what happened with the Jews under Hitler.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
Okay.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
I don't like reading but maybe I might read some of it.
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I think if we seen reality how it actually was it would be impossible to navigate.
I think it would be im-probable but eventually humans might get their bearings. It will still be going through our brain like the current world we live in but if have improved senses then it would open more doors in science but would still be hitting the same roadblocks.
You're basically saying that you prefer induction because it keeps your reality updated, so to speak, without you having to make too many assumption, whereas deduction you have to have sound premises that lead to a sound conclusion and you don't like taking that step because you feel like you're professing knowledge out of your view.
I am sure to be consistent would require sound premises but it would also require consistent results in order to get a good conclusion.
Sound premises ---> Consistent results ---> Conclusion
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Well since all we perceive goes through our brain it does become subjective value. If there was physical value then we would never know it but we can using what we can know and in what we interpret that into an idea of physics.Would you say that physical world has a physical value and that this is not the same thing as the subjective value that is place on thoughts and feelings?
While you have your subjective value of needing to walk somewhere. You have to impose your body onto the objective values of physics to meet your subjective goal.
Yes we require to have a grasp of physics to understand how bad a walk can be. That is elevated to being objective because it has shown to be consistent. Objective should mean consistent I don't like the current definition of the word.
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Right so you think that all value is endowed by humans.
Which is represented as logic. If there logic is humans ought to create children then someone not fulfilling that is illogical to them.
Would you say that motion has a value? or weight? I realize the numbers themselves are chosen subjectively, but is there no value in motion?
We can never truly know if it does but something being reliable by being consistent is good enough to know numbers are a good source of information. That is the best it can get and it is not that bad in a way to know how good something is.
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
Nothing has value apart from what we attribute as value. This can be opinions of humans or not opinions of humans.when you say objective meaning do you mean that nothing has value apart from the opinion of humans?
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@Wrick-It-Ralph
Using this site:
There is:
metaphysical nihilism
political nihilism
existential nihilism
The one that makes the most sense is existential because politics can be ignored. Metaphysical and existential is a tricky one. I doubt there are very many metaphysic nihilists because then you can't trust anything but with existential nihilism you can trust what you see and still come to the conclusion life has no objective meaning.
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@Melcharaz
When was the last time you accused someone of not doing research when you had no idea if they did or didn't?
It is not difficult to understand that theists are irrational but guess if you are a theist it would be difficult. To be rational is to require evidence for your point of view. There is no evidence of God or Gods and no subjective evidence does not count.
Don't make false assertions regarding others.
It is not false. It is true. No theist can give an argument for God because there is no evidence for it.
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@Melcharaz
Not trolling more so stating what is true.if you are going to troll me across the forums you will be reported.
Im encouraging people to research and to study.
Hypocritical coming from a theist.
Everyone is a scientist, we all study, we all observe, the only question is, how deep are we gonna go into it?
Missed out that not everyone has the academic background to know what they are talking about.
Society recognizes them through salary or quoting them for the depth of research they have done.
Not true. Someone who has left a mark on history would be long remembered after his death. Salary does not mean anything for how limited of time that person would be alive but a legacy. That remains as long as his/her work doesn't get improved on. The longer it goes the more time is spent trying to improve on his work but if the scientist is really good it may never be topped like Rene Descartes I think therefore I am.
I esteem no human any better than another.
I would say a baby is better than a serial killer but guess you disagree.
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@dave2242
This one was really quick because all you gave me was bird.
Enjoy.
Do give feedback.
Thanks in advance.
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To RationalMadman:
going on pinterest from some off-kilter google images that happen to link there can help but google is a huge help 'see more' on a gorup of photos that interests you etc etc
Don't like pinterest. Forces me to use an account when I don't want to but with the site I use it doesn't and I eventually created an account to save pictures that I like.
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To RationalMadman:
Didn't use Google but that is my second option if the first one fails. Will use another site if even Google fails me.
I think you searched Samurai art and went on a google choo choo train.
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To RationalMadman:
I mean showing sexually explicit content or something.
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To RationalMadman:
Does that break any of the rules?
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To RationalMadman:
At least I have improved or do you think otherwise.
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@Vader
Most qualities. The only that I have found that he is disagrees with is regarding Jewish people or maybe he is a self-loathing Jew but that is a conspiracy. Ben Shapiro is more alt-right than he isn't.
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@Vader
I dislike the guy.
Here if you want to see positions he advocates for.
Specifically of him being part of the alt-right.
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@Vader
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@Rosalie
What positions do you agree with the right that makes you a conservative?
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To RationalMadman:
Sorry it is difficult to gauge what you want since I find it difficult to understand other people and songs always makes me lucid dream about what I would do so I don't think it will me understand your position if I am too busy lucid dreaming about a scenario I concocted. Great song by the way it is on my watch list whenever I would like to watch it.
Here are 3 what I came up with that I think you would like:
Enjoy.
Do give feedback.
Thanks in advance.
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