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@Snoopy
You mean, Venezuela is not actually in a crisis under the rule of Maduro?
I take the stance no but I am open to seeing evidence that states they are in a crisis.
Do you have any?
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@Snoopy
My question was first
Do you understand an anecdote is not a representation of Venezuela as a whole?
Do check above you.
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@Snoopy
For what?
Show me a question you gave before I gave mine.
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@Snoopy
So this is not considered moving away now?
You can't even answer a yes or no question. I am still waiting.
You gave what your understanding wasn't but couldn't follow it up by 3 or 2 characters.
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@Snoopy
Humanitarian assistance on account of the United States government is not the basis of my understanding of the situation in Venezuela
You have basically said what my understanding isn't. You could have told me your actual understanding and follow it up by you are not capable of giving a decision or making a decision on the United States doing something.
What is your understanding and do you agree with the humanitarian assistance even though you have flimsy evidence?
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@Snoopy
Why are you moving away from the point I just made? Give a yes or no before branching off.You mean, Venezuela is not actually in a crisis under the rule of Maduro
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@Snoopy
Do you understand an anecdote is not a representation of Venezuela as a whole?No, just the navy hospital
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@Snoopy
Did they have a picture of every single hospital or where they an anecdotal Andy?There were pictures too, but I was reading it in a waiting room so...Venezuela is not aggressive so there is not a good pretext for invasion.
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@Snoopy
I read it in my local newspaper
Did you not check to see if what they were claiming had any evidence to support their side?
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@Snoopy
Humanitarian?I was referring to Venezuela
Where did you get this news from?
How about independents who go there and find stories which contradict what CNN are Fox are saying or wherever you get the news from?
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@Snoopy
Guess you are incapable and still parroted this information
The United States is already lending humanitarian assistance in the region.
Please next time don't defend war profiteers instead maybe look at the past and actually understand those wars were not justified. Even though Osama is d*ad there are still troops in Afghanistan. There shouldn't even be there in the first place because of how little of a threat he was. He claimed to be the mastermind behind 9/11. What is the point of trying to find a guy that poses very little threat when you have problems with lead poisoning in the US? 3,000 areas were impacted by lead poisoning but guess the US cares more about a really expensive building. A government is supposed to represent their people not businesses which is a small amount of people. More people were lead poisoned than there were people impacted by 9/11.
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@Snoopy
For the situation in Venezuela, the United States would be providing assistance to a military coup. The United States is already lending humanitarian assistance in the region. You are probably thinking of the "war on terror". I think they'll need a better catch phrase for what you have in mind.
Okay in what way are the United States the good guys again?
Name me one war after WW2 where they left it with democracy or some sort of improvement or justified in their response.
I would allow you to pick so that you have something that you can substantiate instead of me shoving all the wars the United States has been in which has destabilized the country rather than stabilizing it or was justified.
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@Snoopy
It was a joke.
They are too busy attempting to have a war with Venezuela.
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@Snoopy
Once Brexit is finalized, I wonder how the United States of America would get involved.
Announce a war and say we are here to bring democracy but take all the oil.
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@breakingamber
I just found what it is. Played it. It was funny in some parts but as a game it is not even difficult. I simply spammed the same move over and over again. There is no difficulty in the amount I played and the game is fairly straightforward. Hope it was more difficult I would respect the game so much more. It would require me to actually use different abilities and think before I do something instead of simply using the same attack.
I thought it was west of loathing but guess it is called kingdom of loathing.
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@secularmerlin
Adding onto what you said. Instruments that you have to trust that can help you guide the external world.
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@Stephen
What is so good about sovereignty and in what way does the EU take away from English sovereignty?I think surrendering our sovereignty to a foreign power was a crime in the first place? The EU has in my opinion brought the UK to it's fkn knees.
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@breakingamber
Never heard of kingdom of loathing so at least I know of a game I never heard of.
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@Stephen
I think what should happen is leave the EU then straight when they have left call another one and go back into the EU. The advantages of staying in the EU outweigh being outside it.
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@blamonkey
That is true but I am starting with another long game first which is called final fantasy 7.
It says it is 38 1/2 hours to complete.
Whereas Persona 3 takes 81 hours to complete the main story. I don't want to look up a guide to know exactely what I need to do at a specific time instead go in blind like I did in Persona 4 and be unhappy that I didn't get the best ending. I didn't really feel like I wanted to play Persona 4 again for the other endings because there is only difference in like a couple of cut-scenes so for combat and outside cut-scenes it the same so I think most of the game repeated would be a bore so I will just do what I want.
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@DebateArt.com
Hey I am talking a lot to people.
Will that help in the relevancy of DA?
I'll keep doing it anyway but would like to know if you have some sort of information on how much I am helping in posting forum posts.
I have like 350 forum posts in 9 days.
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@dustryder
Liked the show as a kid.
Don't really think I would like it if I watch it again but at least someone else finds happiness in it.
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@Greyparrot
I am speaking English. Do try and "explain" something if you can. I have failed to see you explain anything.I don't speak your language of race baiting and fascist baiting, so there is no way I could explain anything to you.
When you conflate nationalism with fascism, as in there are no types of nationalism that do not include fascism....
What are you even saying here? I stated nationalism is a type of fascism which is true.
When you conflate anarchists with racists...as in there could never exist anarchists that don't believe in the junk science of DNA cultural exclusions.
I didn't. I fixed that. I say anarchists are not racists but are still wrong.
Why even bother attempting to convince such a narrow mind with those specific wild generalizations and conflations?
Isn't the NPC supposed to answer questions instead of giving them? I am sure you must be malfunctioning. I guess DebateArt.com needs to fix you in order for DA to be higher on the search results than DDO in order to be the most popular platform. It is really important for you to be checked. I do care about DA beating DDO but that can only happen if you stop malfunctioning. Do go and bring more relevancy to DA.
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@dustryder
Did SupaDudz or RationalMadman give you that profile picture?
If none what made you want to use that as a profile picture?
Pingu I am guessing who that is.
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@Greyparrot
No surprise that a race baiter is also a fascist baiter.
Do you love that word or something?
Nation = Fascism
Doing some for the "good" of the "nation" is a type of nationalism. Something that is good for nation which you have perceived to be is wrong. Me being publicly shamed does not in anyway solves the problems of United States like their addiction to wars, poverty and people not having health care. Go right ahead and advocate for what for you own interests instead of what is actually important for people's interest like poor people. You could say more but I think I am asking too much when by just claims your arguments sound awful. I can't imagine how bad a coherent substantiated point by you would be.
Opposition = Racists.
I wouldn't consider opposition as in anarchists racist. Am I still one?
Good little indoctrinated NPC.
Who can't elaborate their point in order to reduce the risk of revealing too much of their train of thought? Not me. Have you seen how much I explain?
/end script
You ran out of dialogue? You are not even important enough for a writer to even give you good lines. I think it would be the waste of the writer's time if you were actually put in the game. It is best remove you or my option improve on the existing character to give him more depth which I find this character sorely lacking. I think branching choices and the ability to be more in-depth would definitely help you as an NPC. Just food for thought it you want to be more than just a surface level character.
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@Greyparrot
No surprise there that you see all people you don't like as white supremacists since you already admitted you are a racebater.
Oh wow your problems run really deep. Now you are seeing thing. Sheesh guess you have a mental illness. I advise you to go see a doctor.
Here are a bunch of phrases I have for people:
Dumb conservative
Logical conclusion of conservatism which is an advocacy of an ethnostate or some form of supremacy.
Passive liberal
Confused moderate
Reasonable socialists
Filthy commies
Dumb anarchists
That's exactly the behavior of a racebaiter, to see other people as racists first and as people who disagree with you as an afterthought.
I disagree with RationalMadman with his two bad profile pictures he gave me. I didn't call him a racist instead bad at giving pictures of what people want. Thankfully I liked his 3rd in giving me a profile picture that I liked. Is this enough for you or maybe I am still a race baiter even though you have no proof and simply claim a hell while not understanding it requires evidence and explanation?
Seeing race in everything is the standard operation of a properly indoctrinated racebaiter.
I highly doubt you are a credible source for anything apart from false news so not taking your pseudo-intellectual talk seriously. I am not diagnosing simply saying I think you need help.
People like you need to be publicly shamed into obscurity for the good of the nation.
Nationalism? Do you know that is a type of fascism?
Ultra-nationalism is what I am talking about.
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@Greyparrot
You have already demonstrated yourself to be a race baiter, which is the worst kind of racist.A righteous racist.
I shown you your train of thought. It was rational of me to think that because you are talking exactly like how a white supremacist would talk when they want to degrade black people. Simply state which race does promote these things and go into deeper on the reasoning on why this occurs.
Cultures that promote education, marriage before children, and 2 parent households are going to have more wealth in America than other cultures.
You are really close from being a white supremacist.
Your comment that I am worse than a racist? You really are irrational. It is like saying I am worse than a murder even though I failed to bait a murder? Weird kind of logic you have. Do some introspection. It will help you understand what direction you are heading towards.
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@Greyparrot
You are not funny and are on the track of being a racist.
Don't waste my time to tell me how you are actually being reasonable,
That would be greatly appreciated because your sheer incompetent of actually telling your side really does bore me to d*ath.
Has anyone told you how boring you are?
Have it as your profile picture wear it with pride because that is the only thing you can be proud of on this site or maybe spreading half-a$$ed ideas but lets keep that as something you improve on rather than be with you on this site.
Thank you for hearing this and improve on formulating your argument. It gets your perspective across a lot better.
If you want a tip here:
With every claim make sure to explain that point and if you can add evidence. At least you would be informative rather than being boring.
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@n8nrgmi
Has anyone told you. You have great facts?
If no one has I have.
It is easy for me to tell if the facts say what they want it to say but it is more difficult to find the facts yourself.
How do you do it?
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RationalMadman
Thanks
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I like it.
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@Snoopy
Might as well do both. Why should we refrain from oughts?You mean the topic of the thread, or my response to you personally should be reserved to "ought" disregarding "is"
What do you think about this and if you want to what should happen?
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@n8nrgmi
I think he is unwilling to admit that he is wrong.
My last comment showed that he is using the UK as an example of what would happen if there was no guns. The thing is guns were outlawed in 1996 and this spike occured last year I think.
It just seems like to me he is making excuses.
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@Snoopy
The Australian government is likely going to prioritize its obligations to the refugees it can account for and Australian citizens.
Do tell me this train of logic.
My guess is that he has a long wait going from Syria to a detention center, if he has a chance at all, and then looks forward to a sentence of up to ten years in prison.
Don't see how this is part of the topic.
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@Stephen
Okay.I have given my only thought on that particular matter above. 1st paragraph, last sentence, post 9 above.
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there are few places more safe than solitary confinement in prison, think I'd rather take my chances and enjoy freedom, how about you?
I rather be safe than be so free that I someone can murder me on a whim. How about you?
9% increase in burglaries? I rather be robbed than murdered. How about you?
The number of violent crimes and sex offences recorded by police in England and Wales has risen sharply over the past year, figures suggest.
Tell me how this would not be worse if they had guns. 1 shot to the head in most cases is an instant death and can be shot in a much larger range. A gun can also kill a lot more people which is why people in war use guns instead of knifes to kill people.
I am sorry was guns banned this year or last year in the UK? Oh wait they weren't so I don't see how bringing in UK actually helps your case. Instead it really shows how little effort you put into actually doing research. Here is a wikipedia thread about firearm policy in the UK. Key detail is 1996.
back on topic, what study have you shown that guns are the problem exactly?
Look how high the United States are.
I would say the problem is wealth inequality but the access of guns just leaves way too much for poor people to actually commit crimes to get by. I never said guns were the problem but it seems like you think that if guns were in the UK for some reason the stats for violence would be lower. Do you actually think that?
as the number of guns in the U.S. goes up, crime goes down, seems rather conflicting doesn't it?
"According to Pew, about two-thirds of gun owners have multiple guns. That's how you end up in a country where there's about a gun per person, even though only a third or less of people actually own guns themselves."
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@Vader
You are relatively new to video-games I think. The game selection for platforms like N64 and PS2 were so much better.
Play Terraria. Basically 2D Minecraft with more movement options and more bosses.
I don't really have a lot on my mind since it is not really the games I play.
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@Vader
I own an Xbox, and I think everyone at my school would have chosen PS4 by now. I think it's better, but I only got Xbox One because majority of people at my school own an Xbox
Yeah that is true. If you have a decent computer no point in buying games on the Xbox when you can get all of them on the PC.
Good game i heard
Yeah me too.
Not heard of
I think you are quite young so I doubt this would be something for you.
I played very little of it. It wasn't my style tbh
It tends to grow on you the more you play it. I didn't like it at the start either was too slow.
I don't like DS sadly?
Yeah it is a game if you like being beaten over and over again.
Not heard of
It is fun. Basically only boss game but is difficult.
Nice choice
Thanks.
Love TF2. I haven't played it much, but I enjoy it when I do play
Hardly play it as well but do have a lot of weapons. Not really any hats that I didn't cheat the achievement system to get.
I think I heard of it
I think it would appeal to you. Fun and family-friendly I think. Psychonauts 1 not the VR one or I think the second one that is coming out.
Classic
Yeah.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
can you guess which one is me?
I am guessing you are Zombieguy1987
Those arguments were not really that good but do tell me who you are so I can pluck holes in your arguments.
What do you value the most before I am correct or wrong on those being bad arguments?
More specifically safety or freedom?
multiple studies have been done about fatherless homes, unwed mothers, high school drop out rates etc,
Oof. Do you still stand by that? I want to talk about it. If you do can you elaborate before I state things?
About your comments after this. Do you agree that they are anecdotes and you would require a more comprehensive study showing it to be a trend rather than exception to the rule?
2 views no evidence to back that up? I am sure you can do better than this. I know I did say I will not specifically talk about your anecdotes but I wanted to make an exception.
how's that? satisfied?
Yeah sure.
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@Vader
I enjoy videogames too.Which video games besides Fall out?PC or Xbox?
I have a list on steam and games on my PS4. I'll tell my PS4 games first (there are others I have played but these are the ones I remember the most):
UFC 3 - It is so fun. It is like the only reason I use the PS4 even though I haven't finished games that I want to finish.
Nier Automata - Wanting to complete but can't get around it.
Witcher 3 - Completed and like it.
Dark Souls 1 - Completed but I want to finish it again with a different playstyle
Furi - Liked it before but never finished it. Stuck on the last boss.
Resident Evil 4 - Finished it before and it is more of a test for me. Am I getting worse at videogames because this was not as hard as I remember.
Steam games:
Team Fortress - Liked playing online and the Man vs Machine (basically zombies in Call of Duty but change them to robots and some other stuff as well)
Psychonauts - Should have finished it a while ago but still lingers without me completing it.
Grand Theft Auto 3 - Truly appreciate how little they tell me which makes me even more happier when I find locations for body armour and health.
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@Vader
Mine is more political.
Destiny - Twitch streamer that does debates
David Pakman Show - Covers political stuff
Martial Mind - Makes videos about the UFC 3 videogame
Matthewmatosis - Videogame reviewer
Sam Seder - Similar to the David Pakman Show
Three Arrows - Does great historical videos
Have more but these are the most important that I watch.
I would like to finish old games due to how awful my computer is running newer games.
Final Fantasy 7 - Using a PS1 emulator
Persona 3 - When I am done with Final Fantasy 7 which is using a PS2 emulator
Fallout New Vegas - On steam when I can be bothered to get the rest of the achievements
That is what I look forward to play. First 2 games are going to take a while to complete while me not even playing them adding to the time.
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@Vader
Videogames and watching YouTube.What do you enjoy doing in your spare time
I personally like writing poems, tv shows, and novels.
I hate reading so yeah I dislike poems and novels. It is so boring to me.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
So basically you want me to find evidence. Don't you see how your side is lacking? Without evidence you are only making claims you can't support.Form your own opinion with your own knowledge rather than be spoon fed. From the research I have done, it has shown me that the punishments are far to lax, often these attempt at illegal purchase aren't prosecuted.
Here I'll help you out a tad, remember the muslim husband and wife who committed the mass murder in California? they got their guns via straw purchase. Research what happened to the person who illegally purchased the guns for them.
That is one example but then you would have to say if the straw purchase is too lenient for what it is now.
There's another but I don't recall the name, should be easy enough for you to find. Girlfriend buys her boyfriend a gun, knowing he's a felon and can't possess one, he uses the gun and kills some people. Again see what kind of punishment she received.
A second of example of laxed gun laws right?
once you do that tell me what you think of those and if you don't believe those are typical explain why.
Why can't you give me the information? I might look at the wrong source with the wrong information and go with the wrong position but if I see your data I will be able to know this is from you and take it that you have studied this.
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Ask me anything.
You can ask but don't expect a reply for private information that I have not put onto this website.
Thanks in advance.
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@coal
Shows I have watched:
Cowboy Bebop: Heard it was good and it was good.
FullMetal Alchemist Brotherhood: Heard it was good and it was good.
One Punch Man: Watched YouTube videos of clips from the show and it was funny and I watched the show which was actually funny.
Samurai Champloo: People said it was better than Cowboy Bebop but I disagree. Doesn't mean I didn't like it.
Neon Genesis Evangelion: Heard it was depressing and now it was is my favourite.
Rick and Morty: Heard it was a good and it was good. Just stick to season 1. No point watching the rest.
Show I want to watch:
Beserk: Heard it was good.
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@Stephen
I sometimes forget.
I am active on this site enough to know when you have replied but others who are not so active would not see an orange circle on the blue bell and leave the site to do something else.
I haven't said that
I asked a question. I used a question to see what you thought about something.
I will say that the NZ government should give the muslim community the chance to remove him, but, you see, he may not have broken any muslim sharia law, so I don't see that happening, do you?
Okay. Allow the Muslim community to cut all ties from him is a good idea because the Australian government steps in. Sharia Law doubt they would base it on that. They would base it on bad publicity. If he has bad enough publicity then it would be difficult to advertise Islam with him which Muslims do not want.
And muslims are taught from birth to hate Jews and christians and told not to take them for allies /friends. I am not saying that ALL muslims take notice of this vile intolerant command but it appears that our man Ahmed Bhamji takes his quran serious and at its word.
A better phrasing would be: Children brought up with Islam tend to read their holy book. This can be filled with a lot of hatred to other Religions. I wouldn't consider all Muslims intolerable but the ones who take their holy book literally or advocate for such actions. An example of a person who takes it literally is Ahmed Bhamji. Muslim's should remove any connection from him in order to be removed from bad publicity and not to be framed as a fundamentalist. Even then I wouldn't blame you since if this is all you have been hearing in your life I doubt you would acknowledge the flaws of your thinking. This still does not mean you won't be punished by law but by understanding how you got there we can find a solution to the problem.
I think I summed up your point better.
He no doubt go onto being invited onto every radio talk show in NZ and maybe he will even be offered a regular spot as regular or guest host as happened in the UK with ex jailbird muslim and self confessed terrorist recruiter Maajid Nawaz.
Spam the places he will appear on in order to make sure they are known of what he has done if you care. Maajid Nawaz terrorist recruiter? I need evidence. I know he has really bad views but never heard of that one.
But that said, I am sure NZ simply has to have laws against hate speech and racial incitement and inflammatory language likely to cause breaches of the peace.
So if enough people bring this up he will be tried and guilty if enough evidence is shown.
So laws are, I immagine, are already in place dealing with hate speech and racial incitement and inflammatory language and so no need to introduce new ones, but the New Zealand must have lost them. I suppose they will get them out and dust them off if ever a white Christian decides spout inflammatory language of incitement towards muslims or anyone else not Christian. We will see.
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@Stephen
I don't know what it is you mean.
Right above where you are typing there is a "recievers" section. Put my name in then there in order for me to be notified on your response to me.
Keeping in mind that this thread is to do with the racial hatred hate speech given by Ahmed Bhamji the chairman of New Zealand’s “busiest and biggest mosque"
So Australia ought to remove Ahmed from his position. Do you want to take it a step further?
Yes Ahmed Bhamji. And although there were a few in the crowd who seemed to agree with what this preacher had to say, it was only Ahmed Bhamji speaking inflammatory words of incitement and pointing his finger in the direction of his jewish neighbours .
I think a better way to put this is to say the followers are only followers because of their leaders. Similar to soldiers. You can't blame a soldier for doing their job when they were told to do something because of a general or cut the head of the snake rather then poke the body. I have a lot of analogies for this for some reason.
No, Bhamji makes it quite clear "it was Jews that financed" this deranged killer. Not muslims.
Okay.
No. I don't think the NZ government caused Ahmed Bhamji to use such inflammatory and inciting language towards his Jewish neighbours.
Okay.
Guess away. But what do you mean when you say "the other charges"
Religious hatred, harassment, advocating for violence. Stuff like that.
It was your guess, you tell me.
Make sure to have video evidence of every single hate-filled rant he had so the evidence is so damning he has to be put into jail.
I am relieved to hear it.
Why would I be on DA when I could be furthering the goals of him if I believed what he said?
So the Jewish community have very rational fears when they say :Ahmed Bhamji's words extreme "are dangerous lies,” and that “They put the Jewish community at risk, at a time of heightened security concerns" ?
What are you trying to say with this?
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@Stephen
Any chance of you having me as a receiver? Am I asking too much?
I don't. So again stop suggesting "WE" should do something.
I said it twice that is it. Refrained from it from my last response. What should Australia do about it?
What has that got to do with Ahmed Bhamji's hate speech "being used for something he didn't like". ?
So who do you blame this on? The individual, his Religion or the government?
And you haven't actually explained to me what it is you mean by "being used for something he/I didn't like"? Can you give me an example?
You stated facts. A supremacist can say yes this affirms my notions and think of it as someone else who agrees with it. A rational person would see this as just stating facts but I think there are more irrational people or people with bad logic than people who follow good logic.
Ahmed Bhamji is a very influential and high profile so don't try to play this down as some lone voice in the wilderness giving his own racialist and hateful opinion. He share a platform with the Prime Minister of the country, for christs' sake! He has also spoken at the largest mosques in New Zealand. So he is not the nobody preacher that you are attempting to paint him.
So I am guessing Australia should have Ahmed in jail for spreading false information and other charges?
How do you propose in making that happen and giving a good enough case for him to stay in jail?
Can't go upsetting the "muslim communities" now can we.
So what is this comment? Should Australia attempt to stop Islam or should Australia stop an individual?
I condemn what he is saying. Is that okay?
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