You are a conservative according to your bio. Your comment was very blunt (which I'm fine with as I'm pro free speech just like the stereotypical American). You proved my point.
I have autism. I've noticed pretty much every autistic person is very conservative or libertarian. They like bluntness (like Trump), they lean in on stereotypes that apply to them (so for US autistics; it's American stereotypes), they like black and white thinking. Not empathetic (the left is more empathetic). Maybe a socialist who is blunt and black and white as well. But mostly conservative/libetarian. It's a surprise the left cares for us so much.
I can read what you said, but then I would make a very big comment that I'm sure you wouldn't want to respond to IN ADDITION to Wylted's response (and the other debates you have going on).
I'll see what happens though; I can't make it too long because I'm in comment mode.
Compare me to others who disagree with you on this. FishChaser called those who support child marriages, "degenerate". Even mods use barfing symbols which is code for them thinking you are degenerate. I have not done any of these things, and I easily could in order to score points among the majority. I have not; because I wrestle with the question and try to come up with something that makes sense instead of falling to peer pressure.
But you just dismissing me sassily is making my patience wear thin.
Are you sure you want to pay for other people's kids in foster care? It seems kind of socialist don't you think?
But the best way to reduce the abortion rate is to encourage sexually active men to get a vasectomy. I'm anti abortion (not pro life; but anti-abortion) and I will get a vasectomy before I have sex.
If 8 year olds are mentally capable enough to consent to sex and marraige, then are they mentally capable enough to consume alcohol? I'm pretty sure sex and marraige is the more serious thing (I support lowering the drinking age to 16).
I don't want prisoners getting free stuff in prison paid for by the taxpayers while our teachers are underpaid.
Teachers before terrorists.
But in all honestly, I would want to get rid of prisons.
Type C crimes (weed, being undocumented, any victimless crime) should be legal.
Type B crimes (DUI) should be punishable with whippings.
Type A crimes (murder, rape) should be punished with death with the blood and organs being used to save the lives of American Patriots, many of whom are non-white.
High slope criminal punishment system (defined below) is based.
You should change the title of this debate to, "You choose the topic if I approve of it".
I can make the topic, "Raping adult virgin women and then slicing their throat with a knife that is so hot it's glowing should be legal as a way to prove your masculinity" and then you would be stuck with defending the Pro side. If you switch the side, I can make a slight tweak to the original statement,
"Raping adult virgin women and then slicing their throat with a knife that is so hot it's glowing should NOT be legal as a way to prove your masculinity" and then you are stuck.
I don't think you want to do that. You need vetting before you do debates like this.
->Some trans people start transition at 3 years old. They wear clothes, hair and make up that suit their identity. They do activities which in the past would have been considered inappropriate, such as born boys acting in a feminine way.
But surely there is a difference between a 3 year old with XY chromosomes wearing long hair and make up and that same 3 year old chopping off their dick.
If an XY chromosome person wants to wear long hair, dresses, and makeup, I don't like it, but no politician I know of wants to ban that. The issue is if that 3 year old should be allowed to get their dick chopped off. It's a hard no from me.
The following quote you cited was: "Very few people who have gender-affirming surgery regret their decision. Research tracking the outcomes following gender affirmation surgeries shows that among people who opt for gender-affirming surgery, only 1% regret having the procedure.""
2 questions about this quote:
1. Is this a lifetime statistic or a statistic of what % regret the surugry after X years?
2. Is this a statistic that doesn't consider age or a statistic that only considers those that got gender surguies when they were at least 18, 21, or similar?
I think you are going to be hard pressed to find someone that wants to ban adults from getting gender surgeries. It's like finding someone that wants to ban wearing shorts in the wintertime. Most people would be scared of it, but they respect the liberty of those to wear shorts in the wintertime if they want too.
I can make the topic, "Raping adult women should be legal" and you would have the pro position, which I would assume you would not want to defend as if it's a 50/50 position.
You and the debator should agree on a common topic before you debate. I don't think you would want to defend legalizing rape, murder, or cannibalism (unless you want a really hard Devils Advocate challange).
Out of Israel/Palestine, only one of these places:
1. Has abortion laws like California
2. Has hate speech laws like the EU; the other place has hate speech laws like conservative Africa
3. Has UHC
4. Gay pride parades
5. Drag queen story hour for kids.
And that country is the one most backed by conservatives.
Israel is a left wing country; so in a world that made sense, the pro life advocates would back anti abortion Palestine and the pro choice advocates would back pro choice Israel.
If you believe Russia is to blame, either have the debate title be, "Russia is to blame for the Ukraine war" (and you pick the con side), XOR have the debate title be, "Ukraine/NATO is to blame for the Ukraine war" (and you pick the pro side).
If you believe Ukraine/NATO is to blame, either have the debate title be, "Russia is to blame for the Ukraine war" (and you pick the pro side), XOR have the debate title be, "Ukraine/NATO is to blame for the Ukraine war" (and you pick the con side).
Nobody who you would debate against currently knows your position on Russia vs Ukraine.
->But 30% of children under 16 have sex even with current strict laws. Its a pointless standard which you are trying to have.
I CTRL+F d the cites you sent to see where you found the 30% figure. I found the following:
"Less than 30% of sexual crimes are reported to authorities."
"About 30% of all sexual abuse victims are assaulted by family members."
Neither one of these claims is the same as saying, "30% of children under 16 had sex". I tried Chat GPT ing "What percentage of kids under 16 have had sex?" and Chat GPT wasn't useful. I also looked it up the old fashioned way; I didn't find anything useful.
->A simple google search would have given you the answer. I dont see why you hate doing research. Are you trying to get educated or just trying to argue?
I just don't know what terms to look up. I've been dealing with headaches like every day (it's not your fault, but I don't know why) so maybe that's why. But I'll check out the links.
->You can google and find information. I already gave you the numbers. You gave me assumptions as a response.
Or YOU can. You are the one making claims. It's going to be harder for me to look something up than you because you can go to the history on your device and pull up the links that back your position (I don't have those links in my history).
->Originally, you claimed that children shouldnt have sex because they cant consent and it doesn't benefit them. Then you claimed its okay for 16 year old and 13 year old to have sex. So until you make up your mind on which standard you want to use and make it consistent, there is nothing for us to discuss here.
The standard I want to use is only those who are mature enough (regardless of age) should be allowed to consent to sex. The test for this should be developed in a way that the majority of 16-year-olds and older pass and the majority of 15-year-olds and younger fail, although if there is an exception for either age group, so be it. Therapists should be the ones making the test because they understand human psychology the best.
->Girls tend to be with older partners.
A 13 year old girl may be with a 14,15, or even 16 year old guy. But almost never a 30 year old dude.
If pedophilia was common, legalizing pedophilia would be way more accepted than it is today. If you ask 100 adults if they think it should be legal for adults to have sex with children, probably 96 or more of them will say no. Out of the remaining 4, most aren't pedophiles, but they believe kids can consent.
->Tobacco is a different issue. Children can mostly be stopped from smoking tobacco.
Kids can get drugs illegally. It was very common at my HS.
->However, when it comes to sex, no country has lowered sex rate by making it illegal.
I do not believe that is true; everything banned is going to be less common than if that same thing was legal, all else being equal. Otherwise, there would be no point in the law.
->They have increased prison population
I don't believe in imprisonment for crimes. Murder and rape should carry the death penalty, weed use shouldn't be prosecuted, crimes like DUI and theft should be punished with community service and lashings.
->and caused many problems such as adultery
You think adultery is a problem but pedophilia isn't? That's fine; but I'm courious as how you came to that conclusion. I think adultery should be banned along with sex with the mentally underdeveloped.
->The birth rates are declining world wide. When child marriages were legal, in the past, birth rates used to be 6 per woman.
I think there are omitted variables present, like the following:
1. Society is becoming less religious and less religious people tend to have less kids because religion tells people to procreate.
2. Society is becoming wealthier and wealthier people (although they can afford more kids) tend to have less of them (https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/) due to focusing on career.
3. The UN was telling the whole world that the world was overpopulated, so that led to places that pay the most attention to tend to have less kids.
4. (To a small extent) homosexual marriages and transgenders marrying other people are more common. These unions often don't reproduce.
I don't think age of consent laws changing by a few years have much to do with it.
->Today, women are taught to wait until older. What they dont know is that the longer they wait, the less are the odds of giving birth.
Or their bodies are more mature, so they can handle more babies. Lets say 2 people start weight lifting; a 12th grader (Person A) and a 6th grader (Person B). If they both stop at 21, Person B will probably become stronger, but person A is way more likely to lift until they are 21 than person B is. If Person A stops at 21 and Person B at 16; Person B was lifting longer, but Person A will probably be the strongest.
->The issue is that 90% of offenders are never caught and 90% of those relationships remain unknown
I think eventually, pretty much all relationships with an adult and a minor get discovered.
->If it was legal, there would be more education about it.
You can educate kids about sex the same way you educate kids about alcohol; let them know it's dangerous and that they shouldn't do it until they are mentally competent enough to do it.
->All causations are correlations.
True, but not all correlations are causations. It's easy to find a correlation; it's harder to prove it's a causation.
->Child marriages do tend to increase birth rates, which is beneficial for society.
How? In the long run, more workers. In the short run, more education expense. It's easier just to increase the immigration population (because adult immigrants don't need 13 years of public school).
->Banning sex with children does not benefit children, because children cannot be stopped from having sex and judgment from ban just harms them.
Does banning tobacco for children benefit them? After all, children cannot be stopped from smoking tobacco and judgment from ban just harms them.
->Usually, it is better to regulate something than to ban it.
How would you regulate sex with kids in a way that does not result in a ban?
-> (A bunch of countries with lower age of consent laws) all are safer countries to live in than USA.
Correlation vs causation. If there are 2 countries (Country A with an age of consent at 16 and Country B with an age of consent at 18) and Country A is safe, it's possible that there are omitted variables. However, if Country A had an age of consent at 16, they raised it to 18, and then their crime rate skyrocketed, and if the same exact thing happened in several other countries, then it's safe to say that raising the age of consent did increase the crime rate.
Just like if I make the claim, "Men with vasectomies tend to have higher testosterone levels", it doesn't mean that vasectomies increase testosterone levels. It could mean guys who already have high testosterone are more likely to want to raw dog, and people who want to raw dog are more willing to get a vasectomy and endure one day of pain so they can do that.
If Japan raised the age of consent to 16; their goal wasn't to reduce the crime rate; their goal was to ban what they see as rape (which if a 21-year-old has sex with a 14 year old when the age of consent is 13, it's not a crime, but if the age of consent is 16, then it is a crime).
If something is legal, it doesn't matter if that something is murder, if you murder when it's legal, it's not a crime. Murder should be a crime, but if it's not a crime to murder, committing murder won't increase the crime rate.
Currently, having sex with someone below the age of 16 is a crime. Now, should it be? That is the question.
->The smartest person in the world knows better than them, so it would be wrong to let them decide instead of the smartest person.
Let's say that 100= The average level of intelligence in a field a 16 year old has.
Lets say a Lawyer has a 450 in Law and a 100 in Engineering. Lets say an Engineer has a 300 in Engineering and a 100 in Law.
From these 2 metrics, the Lawyer is smarter. But would I trust a Lawyer with building a bridge? No. I would rather trust the engineer with that task.
There are different types of intelligence. Lawyer intelligence should matter for legal work, engineer intelligence should matter for engineering, etc.
Lets say you have a legal case coming and you have 2 options for lawyers: 1 Lawyer with a 450 in terms of legal intelligence, or 10 lawyers with a 440 each in terms of legal intelligence. Who would you rather have? I would rather have the 10 lawyers with 440.
So the smartest psychologist should absolutely be helping make the test, but they shouldn't be the only ones making the test. It's a team effort.
->30% of children in USA who are younger than 16 had sex.
Well, under my system, if someone who happens to be having consensual sex is more mentally developed than the average 16 year old, so be it. That would happen sometimes.
-> Its not possible to stop certain things. 50% of 13 year olds in USA watch porn.
I've heard that watching porn is very different from having sex; different chemicals are released in your brain when you have sex than when you watch porn and masturbate. I think a requirement to be able to watch porn is there needs to be an algebra problem you need to be able to solve like, 3x+20=29, solve for x (and there needs to be a way for the system to not let you in if you answer "X=3" if you used AI to solve the problem). This hopefully leads to there being a requirement that shows that if you are mentally competent enough, then you can watch porn. Pretty much no 10-year-old knows what that is; a 13-year-old can solve it though. Hopefully, this leads to a mental capacity standard being imposed before porn is done.
->Since the smartest person would be most capable of determining ability to consent, it follows that smartest person gets to decide. Now you guys just have to fight over who is the smartest and how is intelligence measured.
It would be the people in power that decide who is smart enough to give consent and who isn't. The smartest person in the world may be a doctor at a really prestigious hospital (who has no political power). They shouldn't be making the call for who can consent to sex, but they definitely should be included in terms of the group of people that can consent to sex.
Just like I think if you aren't a murderer, rapist, or similar, you shouldn't be executed because you should have the right to not get killed. Does that mean you get to be president? No?!
But there should be a test that is used to determine how smart someone is and therefore if they are mentally competent enough to have sex and that test needs to be made. I just couldn't make the intelligence test as POTUS; I would have to delegate it to a psychologist and if congress and I approve of the test, it becomes the standard.
->The smartest person can dictate who can consent and who cant. Do you agree with this?
It depends on if the world's smartest person has political power. I would assume whoever is POTUS has above average intelligence, but he's probably not the smartest person in the world because there are 8 billion people on this planet.
But if the POTUS is too strict for who is mentally competent enough to consent to sex, it leads to him being voted out by people who want him to be more lenient; if he's too lenient, he gets viewed as a groomer by society.
->Well, thats what it is. Thats why its called an urge. Because it hurts when you dont do it. And sexual urges are some of the strongest urges. The nature wants you to reproduce, so it gives you pain to motivate you.
For a 10-year-old tobacco addict, his urge to do tobacco is almost certainly stronger than his urge to do sex. It's probably not a good idea to let an average 10 year old indulge in addictive pleasures.
-> If you can determine intelligence, there is the smartest person who can then dictate everything.
Whoever the smartest person in the world is can consent to sex; easily. And the smartest person in the world is an adult.
-> Well, children can have sexual urges, and sexual urges are a form of pain.
I wouldn't consider an urge to be necessarily a pain. Like, lets say I have the urge to do pushups (which I often do). Does this mean I'm in pain if I have the urge to do pushups and can't? I would consider that being fidgety; but not in pain. But some urges are pain (like if I have to go to the bathroom and can't).
I would say the urge to have sex is more like pushups than going to the bathroom. I'm just using my masturbation experience as a reference.
I'd rather they make the penny with something cheaper.
It wasn't really cherry picking as much as I just skimmed the arguments and found some random claim that I thought was stupid.
Autistics think in binaries, black and white, blunt, and accidentally unempathetic. Just like Trump.
Lincoln the Republican freed the slaves in a war that was actually about slavery. The confederate flag should be burned.
Con believes the confederacy was fighting over, "States Rights" or something like that.
You are a conservative according to your bio. Your comment was very blunt (which I'm fine with as I'm pro free speech just like the stereotypical American). You proved my point.
I have autism. I've noticed pretty much every autistic person is very conservative or libertarian. They like bluntness (like Trump), they lean in on stereotypes that apply to them (so for US autistics; it's American stereotypes), they like black and white thinking. Not empathetic (the left is more empathetic). Maybe a socialist who is blunt and black and white as well. But mostly conservative/libetarian. It's a surprise the left cares for us so much.
Ye West absolutely said horrible things about, "def com 3". But words are different than actions. Saying is different than doing.
->nor is every addictive activity same.
Why isn't it?
->If you are interested, follow the debate.
I can read what you said, but then I would make a very big comment that I'm sure you wouldn't want to respond to IN ADDITION to Wylted's response (and the other debates you have going on).
I'll see what happens though; I can't make it too long because I'm in comment mode.
Compare me to others who disagree with you on this. FishChaser called those who support child marriages, "degenerate". Even mods use barfing symbols which is code for them thinking you are degenerate. I have not done any of these things, and I easily could in order to score points among the majority. I have not; because I wrestle with the question and try to come up with something that makes sense instead of falling to peer pressure.
But you just dismissing me sassily is making my patience wear thin.
Are you sure you want to pay for other people's kids in foster care? It seems kind of socialist don't you think?
But the best way to reduce the abortion rate is to encourage sexually active men to get a vasectomy. I'm anti abortion (not pro life; but anti-abortion) and I will get a vasectomy before I have sex.
->If you cant tell the difference between alcohol and sex, then there is nothing for us to talk about.
Well I'm a virgin that never consumed alcohol in my life.
-> This is not a debate about beer or alcohol.
But the theme is, "Should there be age restrictions on trying addictive activities?" (Whether that activity is sex, drugs, or other).
Young kids need levels of protection.
->Alcohol is different from sex
How? They are both mind-altering and prone to addiction.
->I dont exactly support alcohol ban either.
If 8 year olds were allowed to drink beer, then it would damage probably the majority of their minds significantly.
If 8 year olds are mentally capable enough to consent to sex and marraige, then are they mentally capable enough to consume alcohol? I'm pretty sure sex and marraige is the more serious thing (I support lowering the drinking age to 16).
What is in that collection? I would argue my spreadsheet definition is better.
I did that.
I believe the vast majority of transwomen are women, but not all of them.
My definition is outlined below:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sncaylvtrCdKka8msjCnhjegprJmUE3JX7Zkz1TgWgI/edit#gid=0
"A political ideology that generally advocates for social equality."
The left is not consistent with this. Otherwise, they would want equality for the unborn and the unvaccinated.
The left is anti-unwanted pain.
You said, "blacks shouldn't be allowed to say (5 letter controversial word where you say the entire word except for one letter)".
It's not hypocrisy, but you are skating on thin ice man.
If there are prisoners, then it is slavery.
And that's GOOD.
I don't want prisoners getting free stuff in prison paid for by the taxpayers while our teachers are underpaid.
Teachers before terrorists.
But in all honestly, I would want to get rid of prisons.
Type C crimes (weed, being undocumented, any victimless crime) should be legal.
Type B crimes (DUI) should be punishable with whippings.
Type A crimes (murder, rape) should be punished with death with the blood and organs being used to save the lives of American Patriots, many of whom are non-white.
High slope criminal punishment system (defined below) is based.
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1nLC3GBCOkqiYhhNAP-wv8EsiSKVPklIhHcr9Rmz6we4/edit
So you stick to the debate title, let your opponent veer off, and win.
You guys are arguing about abortion when you should be arguing based on the debate title if Mall has always been pro life.
@BestKorea
If you can find one quote from Mall where he says something pro choice, then you have won this debate.
If you want to do an abortion debate with each other, label it, "Abortion should be illegal in X cases" (define X), Mall can be Pro; Korea can be Con.
You should change the title of this debate to, "You choose the topic if I approve of it".
I can make the topic, "Raping adult virgin women and then slicing their throat with a knife that is so hot it's glowing should be legal as a way to prove your masculinity" and then you would be stuck with defending the Pro side. If you switch the side, I can make a slight tweak to the original statement,
"Raping adult virgin women and then slicing their throat with a knife that is so hot it's glowing should NOT be legal as a way to prove your masculinity" and then you are stuck.
I don't think you want to do that. You need vetting before you do debates like this.
->Some trans people start transition at 3 years old. They wear clothes, hair and make up that suit their identity. They do activities which in the past would have been considered inappropriate, such as born boys acting in a feminine way.
But surely there is a difference between a 3 year old with XY chromosomes wearing long hair and make up and that same 3 year old chopping off their dick.
If an XY chromosome person wants to wear long hair, dresses, and makeup, I don't like it, but no politician I know of wants to ban that. The issue is if that 3 year old should be allowed to get their dick chopped off. It's a hard no from me.
So then why is your minimum age 10 years old? Why not 7? Why not 5?
Reversable hormones/puberty blockers are different than getting your dick cut off.
The following quote you cited was: "Very few people who have gender-affirming surgery regret their decision. Research tracking the outcomes following gender affirmation surgeries shows that among people who opt for gender-affirming surgery, only 1% regret having the procedure.""
2 questions about this quote:
1. Is this a lifetime statistic or a statistic of what % regret the surugry after X years?
2. Is this a statistic that doesn't consider age or a statistic that only considers those that got gender surguies when they were at least 18, 21, or similar?
Driving a car is reversible. You can stop driving pretty much at will. Once you get your tits chopped off, there is no going back.
Don't you think it takes more maturity to be able to get a gender surgery than to be able to drive a car?
Do you think it's OK for a typical 10 year old to drive a car?
Why didn't you change the debate title yet?
I think you are going to be hard pressed to find someone that wants to ban adults from getting gender surgeries. It's like finding someone that wants to ban wearing shorts in the wintertime. Most people would be scared of it, but they respect the liberty of those to wear shorts in the wintertime if they want too.
Have the debate title be, "Anyone at least the age of X should be allowed to get a gender surgery". X is any number you want.
It's best to not do debates like this.
I can make the topic, "Raping adult women should be legal" and you would have the pro position, which I would assume you would not want to defend as if it's a 50/50 position.
You and the debator should agree on a common topic before you debate. I don't think you would want to defend legalizing rape, murder, or cannibalism (unless you want a really hard Devils Advocate challange).
Lets say someone's position was that the minimum age to get a gender surgery if you want one is 26.
Do they want gender surgeries legal for adults in most cases or not?
If the age was 26, pretty much anyone that would have gotten their dick cut off at 18 will still do that at 26, so it's only a delay.
I think it's the normie position in the US that gender surgeries for adults should be legal in most cases.
I don't think I'm going to vote now; Sas from people kinda urkes me.
Out of Israel/Palestine, only one of these places:
1. Has abortion laws like California
2. Has hate speech laws like the EU; the other place has hate speech laws like conservative Africa
3. Has UHC
4. Gay pride parades
5. Drag queen story hour for kids.
And that country is the one most backed by conservatives.
Israel is a left wing country; so in a world that made sense, the pro life advocates would back anti abortion Palestine and the pro choice advocates would back pro choice Israel.
Dude; if you are going to tell people not to forfeit, you better not forfeit yourself.
But usually, people would waive a round if they wanted the last word and have the rules be that their opponent waives the last round.
Nobody knows your position on this.
If you believe Russia is to blame, either have the debate title be, "Russia is to blame for the Ukraine war" (and you pick the con side), XOR have the debate title be, "Ukraine/NATO is to blame for the Ukraine war" (and you pick the pro side).
If you believe Ukraine/NATO is to blame, either have the debate title be, "Russia is to blame for the Ukraine war" (and you pick the pro side), XOR have the debate title be, "Ukraine/NATO is to blame for the Ukraine war" (and you pick the con side).
Nobody who you would debate against currently knows your position on Russia vs Ukraine.
->But 30% of children under 16 have sex even with current strict laws. Its a pointless standard which you are trying to have.
I CTRL+F d the cites you sent to see where you found the 30% figure. I found the following:
"Less than 30% of sexual crimes are reported to authorities."
"About 30% of all sexual abuse victims are assaulted by family members."
Neither one of these claims is the same as saying, "30% of children under 16 had sex". I tried Chat GPT ing "What percentage of kids under 16 have had sex?" and Chat GPT wasn't useful. I also looked it up the old fashioned way; I didn't find anything useful.
->A simple google search would have given you the answer. I dont see why you hate doing research. Are you trying to get educated or just trying to argue?
I just don't know what terms to look up. I've been dealing with headaches like every day (it's not your fault, but I don't know why) so maybe that's why. But I'll check out the links.
->You can google and find information. I already gave you the numbers. You gave me assumptions as a response.
Or YOU can. You are the one making claims. It's going to be harder for me to look something up than you because you can go to the history on your device and pull up the links that back your position (I don't have those links in my history).
->Originally, you claimed that children shouldnt have sex because they cant consent and it doesn't benefit them. Then you claimed its okay for 16 year old and 13 year old to have sex. So until you make up your mind on which standard you want to use and make it consistent, there is nothing for us to discuss here.
The standard I want to use is only those who are mature enough (regardless of age) should be allowed to consent to sex. The test for this should be developed in a way that the majority of 16-year-olds and older pass and the majority of 15-year-olds and younger fail, although if there is an exception for either age group, so be it. Therapists should be the ones making the test because they understand human psychology the best.
->The point is that most of the time, offender is not caught.
This claim you need to back up with evidence.
Interesting how you dropped all my other points.
->Girls tend to be with older partners.
A 13 year old girl may be with a 14,15, or even 16 year old guy. But almost never a 30 year old dude.
If pedophilia was common, legalizing pedophilia would be way more accepted than it is today. If you ask 100 adults if they think it should be legal for adults to have sex with children, probably 96 or more of them will say no. Out of the remaining 4, most aren't pedophiles, but they believe kids can consent.
Pedophilia is very rare.
->30% of children had sex before 16.
That 30% didn't have sex with a 30 year old; they had sex with other teenagers.
->Tobacco is a different issue. Children can mostly be stopped from smoking tobacco.
Kids can get drugs illegally. It was very common at my HS.
->However, when it comes to sex, no country has lowered sex rate by making it illegal.
I do not believe that is true; everything banned is going to be less common than if that same thing was legal, all else being equal. Otherwise, there would be no point in the law.
->They have increased prison population
I don't believe in imprisonment for crimes. Murder and rape should carry the death penalty, weed use shouldn't be prosecuted, crimes like DUI and theft should be punished with community service and lashings.
->and caused many problems such as adultery
You think adultery is a problem but pedophilia isn't? That's fine; but I'm courious as how you came to that conclusion. I think adultery should be banned along with sex with the mentally underdeveloped.
->The birth rates are declining world wide. When child marriages were legal, in the past, birth rates used to be 6 per woman.
I think there are omitted variables present, like the following:
1. Society is becoming less religious and less religious people tend to have less kids because religion tells people to procreate.
2. Society is becoming wealthier and wealthier people (although they can afford more kids) tend to have less of them (https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/) due to focusing on career.
3. The UN was telling the whole world that the world was overpopulated, so that led to places that pay the most attention to tend to have less kids.
4. (To a small extent) homosexual marriages and transgenders marrying other people are more common. These unions often don't reproduce.
I don't think age of consent laws changing by a few years have much to do with it.
->Today, women are taught to wait until older. What they dont know is that the longer they wait, the less are the odds of giving birth.
Or their bodies are more mature, so they can handle more babies. Lets say 2 people start weight lifting; a 12th grader (Person A) and a 6th grader (Person B). If they both stop at 21, Person B will probably become stronger, but person A is way more likely to lift until they are 21 than person B is. If Person A stops at 21 and Person B at 16; Person B was lifting longer, but Person A will probably be the strongest.
->The issue is that 90% of offenders are never caught and 90% of those relationships remain unknown
I think eventually, pretty much all relationships with an adult and a minor get discovered.
->If it was legal, there would be more education about it.
You can educate kids about sex the same way you educate kids about alcohol; let them know it's dangerous and that they shouldn't do it until they are mentally competent enough to do it.
->All causations are correlations.
True, but not all correlations are causations. It's easy to find a correlation; it's harder to prove it's a causation.
->Child marriages do tend to increase birth rates, which is beneficial for society.
How? In the long run, more workers. In the short run, more education expense. It's easier just to increase the immigration population (because adult immigrants don't need 13 years of public school).
->Banning sex with children does not benefit children, because children cannot be stopped from having sex and judgment from ban just harms them.
Does banning tobacco for children benefit them? After all, children cannot be stopped from smoking tobacco and judgment from ban just harms them.
->Usually, it is better to regulate something than to ban it.
How would you regulate sex with kids in a way that does not result in a ban?
-> (A bunch of countries with lower age of consent laws) all are safer countries to live in than USA.
Correlation vs causation. If there are 2 countries (Country A with an age of consent at 16 and Country B with an age of consent at 18) and Country A is safe, it's possible that there are omitted variables. However, if Country A had an age of consent at 16, they raised it to 18, and then their crime rate skyrocketed, and if the same exact thing happened in several other countries, then it's safe to say that raising the age of consent did increase the crime rate.
Just like if I make the claim, "Men with vasectomies tend to have higher testosterone levels", it doesn't mean that vasectomies increase testosterone levels. It could mean guys who already have high testosterone are more likely to want to raw dog, and people who want to raw dog are more willing to get a vasectomy and endure one day of pain so they can do that.
If Japan raised the age of consent to 16; their goal wasn't to reduce the crime rate; their goal was to ban what they see as rape (which if a 21-year-old has sex with a 14 year old when the age of consent is 13, it's not a crime, but if the age of consent is 16, then it is a crime).
If something is legal, it doesn't matter if that something is murder, if you murder when it's legal, it's not a crime. Murder should be a crime, but if it's not a crime to murder, committing murder won't increase the crime rate.
Currently, having sex with someone below the age of 16 is a crime. Now, should it be? That is the question.
->The smartest person in the world knows better than them, so it would be wrong to let them decide instead of the smartest person.
Let's say that 100= The average level of intelligence in a field a 16 year old has.
Lets say a Lawyer has a 450 in Law and a 100 in Engineering. Lets say an Engineer has a 300 in Engineering and a 100 in Law.
From these 2 metrics, the Lawyer is smarter. But would I trust a Lawyer with building a bridge? No. I would rather trust the engineer with that task.
There are different types of intelligence. Lawyer intelligence should matter for legal work, engineer intelligence should matter for engineering, etc.
Lets say you have a legal case coming and you have 2 options for lawyers: 1 Lawyer with a 450 in terms of legal intelligence, or 10 lawyers with a 440 each in terms of legal intelligence. Who would you rather have? I would rather have the 10 lawyers with 440.
So the smartest psychologist should absolutely be helping make the test, but they shouldn't be the only ones making the test. It's a team effort.
->30% of children in USA who are younger than 16 had sex.
Well, under my system, if someone who happens to be having consensual sex is more mentally developed than the average 16 year old, so be it. That would happen sometimes.
-> Its not possible to stop certain things. 50% of 13 year olds in USA watch porn.
I've heard that watching porn is very different from having sex; different chemicals are released in your brain when you have sex than when you watch porn and masturbate. I think a requirement to be able to watch porn is there needs to be an algebra problem you need to be able to solve like, 3x+20=29, solve for x (and there needs to be a way for the system to not let you in if you answer "X=3" if you used AI to solve the problem). This hopefully leads to there being a requirement that shows that if you are mentally competent enough, then you can watch porn. Pretty much no 10-year-old knows what that is; a 13-year-old can solve it though. Hopefully, this leads to a mental capacity standard being imposed before porn is done.
->Since the smartest person would be most capable of determining ability to consent, it follows that smartest person gets to decide. Now you guys just have to fight over who is the smartest and how is intelligence measured.
It would be the people in power that decide who is smart enough to give consent and who isn't. The smartest person in the world may be a doctor at a really prestigious hospital (who has no political power). They shouldn't be making the call for who can consent to sex, but they definitely should be included in terms of the group of people that can consent to sex.
Just like I think if you aren't a murderer, rapist, or similar, you shouldn't be executed because you should have the right to not get killed. Does that mean you get to be president? No?!
But there should be a test that is used to determine how smart someone is and therefore if they are mentally competent enough to have sex and that test needs to be made. I just couldn't make the intelligence test as POTUS; I would have to delegate it to a psychologist and if congress and I approve of the test, it becomes the standard.
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->The smartest person can dictate who can consent and who cant. Do you agree with this?
It depends on if the world's smartest person has political power. I would assume whoever is POTUS has above average intelligence, but he's probably not the smartest person in the world because there are 8 billion people on this planet.
But if the POTUS is too strict for who is mentally competent enough to consent to sex, it leads to him being voted out by people who want him to be more lenient; if he's too lenient, he gets viewed as a groomer by society.
->Well, thats what it is. Thats why its called an urge. Because it hurts when you dont do it. And sexual urges are some of the strongest urges. The nature wants you to reproduce, so it gives you pain to motivate you.
For a 10-year-old tobacco addict, his urge to do tobacco is almost certainly stronger than his urge to do sex. It's probably not a good idea to let an average 10 year old indulge in addictive pleasures.
-> If you can determine intelligence, there is the smartest person who can then dictate everything.
Whoever the smartest person in the world is can consent to sex; easily. And the smartest person in the world is an adult.
-> Well, children can have sexual urges, and sexual urges are a form of pain.
I wouldn't consider an urge to be necessarily a pain. Like, lets say I have the urge to do pushups (which I often do). Does this mean I'm in pain if I have the urge to do pushups and can't? I would consider that being fidgety; but not in pain. But some urges are pain (like if I have to go to the bathroom and can't).
I would say the urge to have sex is more like pushups than going to the bathroom. I'm just using my masturbation experience as a reference.
Men should be allowed to vote against abortion legalization because of the first amendment to the US constitution.
You would have to repeal the first amendment (or significantly modify the first amendment) in order to achieve this.
Lets just say I love free speech!