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@Greyparrot
Most people aren’t going to switch to plant based foods, but everyone I interviewed in person about this said they would be cool with gradually getting there. It just takes a government order to integrate the meats with plant protein.
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@Lemming
I think the infrastructure can support the shift. You’re adding in .5 grams of plant protein to your 100 gram burger and increasing the amount by .5 every year. I think it would be easy to do.
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Currently, out of the meat that is made by companies, it’s 100% meat.
I would support a federal policy that requires them to go from 100% meat to 99.5% meat, .5% plant based protein. Every year, the meat concentration goes down .5% until in 200 years, society doesn’t use it anymore.
This I think has the following benefits that would benefit Americans:
1) Eventually no more animals are dying from meat consumption anymore
2) More protein is in the meat that gets consumed, because meat (which is about 25% protein) gets replaced by something that is 100% protein.
3) Health benefits, because less saturated fat.
4) Environmental benefits, because less pollution.
5) Incrreased carrying capacity, because plant based products are more sustainable for the human race.
6) Fairly popular. I’ve asked 3 people in my personal life what they thought of this, most of whom eat meat. They all like it.
7) Society gets used to it no problem, because it’s tiny adjustments every year, and society won’t notice the taste difference.
Like if you agree, comment if you don’t.
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@K_Michael
It’s possible that this is by chance, happens once an month, and not something that regularly happens. It’s possible, but I’m not sure.
But let’s say for the sake of argument that animals are intelligent. Then maybe society should go vegetarian. But you would logically have to believe that if you thought animals had human intelligence. Otherwise, meat consumption is just as bad as cannabilism.
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@Lemming
That would be the equivalent of gradually getting America to not eat meat.
What I support is requiring companies that produce meat to go from 100% meat in their meat products to 99.5% meat, .5% plant protein. Increase the plant proportion by .5% every year so in 200 years, society isn’t killing animals for food anymore. Encourage anyone that wants to eat eggs to get their own chickens so they raise them in a more humane way than companies. There would also be less ticks.
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@Lemming
The way meat would be replaced is with beyond meat. Most people perfer cow burgers unfortunately.
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@Lemming
I actually don't mind banning the eating of meat,
The 90% of people that eat meat would vote such an idea out.
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@Best.Korea
I think people would benefit more from punishments such as "forced employment".
Unless you have enough money to survive, everyone is subject to forced employment. Lash the prisoner!
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@zedvictor4
When you lash them, will you be wearing some sexy gear?
No. Pain from the prisoner must be endured so they don’t re offend.
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@YouFound_Lxam
I perfer lashings so taxpayers don’t have to pay for prisons for prisoners.
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@Double_R
It’s because lashings isn’t tried anywhere, you might not find such evidence. But I think the fear of pain is stronger than the fear of a comfy cell, free healthcare, free food, and free clothes. Prison is better than homelessness; and it’s why many people that are homeless commit crimes; they want to be caught so they get taken care of at MY expense. I don’t want tax dollars feeding bad people.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I don’t want to pay for their time in prison.
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@Double_R
Prisoners learn their lesson after lashings possibly more than our current incarceration system. A lot of them want prison because it’s stable food and shelter. All paid for with non consenting taxpayers.
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@K_Michael
So my approach is the opposite of what is done in the EU. They have companies own patents that are government funded, and I wouldn’t agree with that. The payment is taxpayer funded in Europe, and I think people should pay for their own medicine profit free.
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@Wylted
If you punish them in ANY prison, your tax dollars pay for it. Lash them instead.
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The left: Put them in a woman’s prison! Transwomen are women.
The right: Put them in a men’s prison! Protect out girls!
Me: I don’t care if you think transwomen are men or women. I don’t want tax dollars feeding prisoners; we spend $182 billion a year on our prisons. Give the prisoner lashings! That’s your punishment.
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@K_Michael
How could that be? The EU has free healthcare.
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@K_Michael
The people own the parents, not the corporations because the people funded the patents.
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@K_Michael
It’s not some hole in the middle of the chair though. It might need some time to get used too.
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@K_Michael
Not accurate; the medical patents are EU owned in Europe.
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@Sidewalker
What is a "social democrat"?
Someone that is a hardcore democrat on every issue. I’m not a social democrat even if I support healthcare nationalization. The SocDems want us to get involved with Ukraine and want abortion unpunished. They also want to keep the war on poverty (which didn’t reduce the poverty rate). Just because I like 1 thing the Soc Dems stand for doesn’t mean I am a Soc Dem.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Possible.
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@Greyparrot
Kinda hard to defend against tyranny if you have a population of 30 million Yemen vs the US army.10 times that number might be a problem though.
America did our revolution with less than 2 million people. Yemen can do the same if they wanted.
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@Wylted
Yemen people want a tyrannical government.
Possible, but evidence is required.
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@RationalMadman
Lol. I will let you solve that or later explain it.
I talked about my ideal penalty for abortion and how I don’t believe you should be forced to take care of a kid with cancer (just like how I don’t believe you should be forced to adopt a starving child from Somalia). What do either of those points have to do with our justice system?
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@RationalMadman
Did you forget what you replied to me?
Yes. It’s why usually people quote each other here. What did I say?
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Yemen has gun laws very similar to Texas. Gun ownership is very common in Yemen, more guns per capita than any other country in the world except the USA. Yemen has a tyrannical government, and the armed Yemeni population wasn’t able to use their 2nd amendment to defend against a tyrannical government. If Yemen can’t use their AR 15s to defend against a tyrannical government, how could Americans?
I don’t want to ban Ar 15s. I just don’t see their use in defending against tyranny.
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@YouFound_Lxam
How would you penalize abortion if you were in charge? Banning ANY action requires a punishment.
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@RationalMadman
The entire justice system is based on guilt.
I disagree, but what does this have to do with abortion and foster care funding?
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@K_Michael
I have found no evidence online that this is the case.
We have corporate welfare because the government paid for the production of the patents, but the corporations get the revenue form the patents.
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@K_Michael
If you grow a tail, you will be a human with a tail. You also wouldn’t be able to sit down as a chair assumes you don’t have a tail. I think cutting a hole in the chair would be uncomfortable for everyone else who is sitting in the chair.
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@K_Michael
Furries are very rare. Technology isn’t coming around for such a small portion of the population. But I define a human as someone having human chromosomes. You would have to change your chromosomes to a hyena’s chromosomes for me to believe your a hyena.
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@K_Michael
I should say the government uses public money to develop new medicines in both the EU and the USA. But the EU has the government own the parents whereas in America, we have corporate welfare. It shouldn’t be like that. If you use government money to make something, the government should own what you produce.
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@K_Michael
Blacks are twice as likely to be killed by police officers per capita compared to whites.
The blacks are also like 4x as likely to be raised by single mothers and children raised in single motherhood homes are more likely to be arrested. This is also true for Kyle Rittenhouse; if he was raised by 2 parents, he wouldn’t have been as likely to shoot guns at a protest.
All fathers matter.
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@K_Michael
What would you include in the morality exam that would separate minors from majors? My standard is if you live on your own or with a partner, you’re an adult. Otherwise you’re a minor. This doesn’t answer the question, “What is a human?”
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@K_Michael
They make money, but it’s from the government; not taxpayers.
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@K_Michael
I’ve never passed a morality exam. Neither have the majority of adults. By that logic, most Americans are minors.
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@K_Michael
The EU develops lifesaving drugs at a comparable rate to the US.
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@RationalMadman
Alright dude, I hope you can look in the eyes of someone dying of cancer or with a crooked arm that had to heal wrong due to lack of healthcare and justify your assholery.
This would be like me saying,
I hope you can look into the eyes of a starving African orphan who hasn’t had anything to eat in a week that you would not adopt him if you had the funds to do so.
Guilt tripping does not justify theft.
If you do not support abortion and also hate foster care funding, you are literally leaving babies for dead.
If you care so much about other people’s kids in the foster care system, adopt one of them. There are around 100,000 foster kids in the system and about 100 million social democrats in the US. If just .1% of social democrats adopted a kid, foster care gets emptied just like that. Surely out of 1000 random social democrats, at least 1 is able to adopt a child.
In Underdog land, I want to ban abortions and keep the abortion clinics open. This means I want the penalty for abortion to be your wages get garnished $11 a day for a year and the revenue goes to sponsor a starving American child, getting that child out of poverty. Both parents of the aborted baby pay this fine. If you take a life from abortion, you should be required to save a life by some other method.
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@K_Michael
Instead of defining personhood by species or genetics, administer a personhood test. Anyone who passes the test qualifies as a legal person, whether they be alien, robot, dolphin, or a furry claiming to be a deer.
What would you include in your test for personhood? What question(s)?
If part of their identity means that they don't want that legal protection, then that is their choice.
If I kill a furry who didn’t want legal protection and eat their corpse if they identify as a deer, nobody is going to care that the furry didn’t want legal protection; I still get prosecuted. No sane person would be okay with me killing a human that identifies as a deer.
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@Wylted
UBI shouldn’t be implemented as US policy because the countries/places that tried UBI ended up repealing it.
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@K_Michael
Those animals I would agree with; killing dolphins, monkeys, and elephants for parts should be illegal. But if someone identifies as a deer, it would mean humans could kill them for venison if they want to be treated as a deer. Unless you support outlawing venison production, but that would be like outlawing meat consumption in general. Pigs are smart, but we aren’t banning pork production (even if you personally don’t eat pork).
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@K_Michael
If we classify non human animals as people, it would mean society would be forced to go vegetarian. I’m assuming your opposed to this even if you are vegetarian personally.
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@YouFound_Lxam
I don’t really see a strong case for white privilege. America attracts enough brown immigrants for me to think America is not racist.
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@K_Michael
Hopefully it doesn’t become a thing. Otherwise we are going to have to define human. It would also mean if someone identifies as a deer, they could be killed for venison. It’s all fun and games until someone gets killed.
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@K_Michael
I don’t have an issue with furries being at furry conventions. I have an issue when they identify as an animal and expect the rest of society to cater to that. Trans species isn’t a thing.
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@K_Michael
The people that believe God exists can define God. The people that believe they are a wolf cannot define a wolf.
What is a wolf? What is a human? The current definition is based on DNA.
If you want to be treated as a wolf, then you would have to be killed if you ever come near a child. If I had a child and they were near a wolf, I would shoot the wolf if able. Wild Animals can’t be trusted with children.
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@Lemming
An opinion difference is where many people disagree. It’s objectively wrong to think your a wolf when you are in fact a human.
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