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@TWS1405
A zygote is NOT [a] human being.A blastocyst is NOT [a] human being.An embryo is NOT [a] human being.An unviable fetus is NOT [a] human being.
If this is really what you believe, do you support smash and dash if a fetus isn’t a human being?
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@ebuc
non-breathing human, to varying degrees, and differrent times over 9 month gestation period,
If you don’t believe a fetus is worthy of protection, do you support the right to smash and dash?
next, keep your nose out of her bodily business,
This would be like me saying that you shouldn’t force a deadbeat dad to pay child support. Mind your business; their money, their choice. If a deadbeat isn’t allowed to opt out of a pregnancy, neither is a female. #GenderEquality.
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@Double_R
The abortion debate is not about whether a fetus has a right to life, we generally all agree that it does. The debate is about whether the fetus’s right to life outweighs the mothers right to her own body. Pro lifers say it does, pro choicers say it doesn’t.The financial desires of the father has no place in this debate.
Why not? The father is forced to pay for the female’s choice. I understand men’s rights activists aren’t as common as feminists, but I don’t look at parties. I come up with my own thoughts.
That’s absurd. Stealing money out of one’s bank account is not the same thing as stealing one’s left hand.
If it’s a small amount of money, I’d agree. But what would you rather lose, all of your million dollars or your left hand? I think a lot of people would answer their left hand. But I also think most people perfer 9 months of unwanted pregnancy to losing their left hand. So losing your left hand might be worth $1 million, especially since hands I think are replaceable right now. But a pregnancy I think is significantly less than $1 million in sacrifice. Surrogates charge $25,000, so it’s an appropriate value for a pregnancy.
The reason more females are not surrogates is because they are not willing to allow their bodies to be used for the low price of the market.
That’s possible, but I thought the reason most females weren’t surrogates was because most people would rather produce their own kids through sex than pay tens of thousands of dollars for the service. But people who want kids tend to do whatever it takes to have them, include pay really high fees.
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@Polytheist-Witch
They hate women having control of their own bodies.
Do you hate dads having control over their own wallets? Their money, their choice. Bodily sensations aren’t priceless, do you deny this? This applies from a pinch to a pregnancy.
This is why virgins shouldn't talk about sex
It’s akin to a non smoker telling you smoking is bad.
Why do you think it's okay to pay a woman to have a baby for a couple but it's not okay to pay a woman to have sex with them.
I think surrogacy and prostitution should be legal. But I think married men should be banned from prostitution as it is adultery. An exception applies if the wife is fine with it.
Why do you think it's okay to pay people to have sex on camera and call it porn but it's not okay for women to get paid to have sex with men on the street and call it prostitution.
Porn Stars don’t get pregnant as the guys fucking them need vastectomies I think. If not, I think guys who do porn should be required to have a vasectomy. I don’t have a problem with legalizing prostitution for unmarried men and women. I just think it’s stupid to sleep with a prostitute as that’s how you get STIs. I fail to see what that has to do with abortion.
And the women that hate women are self-lothers who have been told their pieces of s*** their whole life and believe it.
No … some women want abortion banned and they don’t want to have sex without birth control. Many of them just don’t have sex.
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@zedvictor4
Deadbeat dad is your character.
I’m not a deadbeat.
This is why virgins shouldn't talk about sex
It’s like a non smoker telling you how bad smoking is.
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@rayhan16
I got work in 7 minutes, so I’ll address them later.
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@Double_R
That part was about who gets to make the final decision as to whether the fetus is carried to term. The answer: the person whose body the fetus resides in. There is nothing “unfair” about that, it’s common sense.
Who gets to make the final decision with where their money goes? The owner of the money. But there is a consistent exception to deadbeat parents, whether they are deadbeat dads or females that get abortions.
This has nothing to do with supremacy, it has to do with reasonable application of basic principals, bodily autonomy for one.
The right to bodily autonomy matters as much as the right to fiscal autonomy. A consistent exception to take care of your kids is in order for both autonomys.
The fact that surrogates charge $25k for the use of their bodies is completely irrelevant. You don’t get to tell someone what the right to their own body is worth.
Fair point, but the rate surrogates charge is a good indicator of how much we expect a female to sacrifice for her kids. Are you willing to argue that any amount of non consensual pain should be worth infinite money? I think that would be nuts. Pain is not priceless, even if it’s non consenting pain.
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@zedvictor4
Are you on drugs? Your not making any sense. Maybe it’s British jargon that I as an American am unfamiliar with.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I didn't say save her sex I said find a man willing to stick around when she has a baby.
What’s the difference if she is going to have sex?
If a woman bails on a pregnancy the man is off the hook that makes it equal.
If the woman wants the kid and the man doesn’t, the man should stop being a selfish little prick and sacrifice for the kid he chose to create with sex. If the woman doesn’t want the kid and the man does, the woman should stop being a selfish little prick and sacrifice for the kid she chose to create. If neither wants the kid, they both should stop being selfish little pricks and sacrifice for the kid they chose to create.
#GenderEquality.
Again you have a hatred for women and children and a preference for men you're a sick little man who doesn't even know what sex really is.
Strawman alert. It is a strawman to label the 40% of Americans who want abortion banned (many of whom are females and many states have this figure above 50%) as hating females.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Because I’m like Joe Rogan. I have opinions, but I try and hear everybody out.
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@rayhan16
No worries; take your time. There are times when I don’t respond for over a week, so take your time.
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@FLRW
Each day 12 children die from gun violence in America.
You sure about that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Total_Deaths_in_US_Mass_Shootings_1982-2021.jpg puts the ANNUAL mass shooting deaths at 60.
Millions of American's right to protect themselves from tyranny is more valuable than 60 stranger's lives a year because millions is significantly more than 60.
Under no pretext shall firearms be surrendered. They protect the oppressed.
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
The one area the far left and far right agree is gun control is bad.
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@iloveshin
i personally belive that guns should not be allowed at all nor provided to any citizen it should only be provided to people apart of the millitary because guns are one hell of a problem
AR 15s protect you from gangs and the government. If you don't believe the government is tyrannical, what do you think of the following:
1) Russia invading Ukraine
2) ICE being tyrannical to the undocumented (who aren't allowed to have guns)
Gun rights benefit the oppressed.
Moreover, I don't respect politicians who try and take away people's guns. They will always have armed security protecting them. Gun rights for me, but not for thee.
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@iloveshin
i belive that a woman is someone who identifies as soand a man is an individual who identifies as so
What does it mean to identify as female/male? Can I (as a white guy) identify as Michael Jordan and expect NBA teams to draft me even though I'm 170 cm tall? Can I act like the stereotypical black guy and do stereotypically black things if I identify as a black guy? What if science confirmed that some white guys have black brains and vice versa?
If you think it's racist to stereotype black people and apply it, would you argue it's sexist for a transgender to imitate the gender they identify with?
This is why gender theory is one of the few issues where most Americans agree with the right, so the right is leaning in on it because they know it's popular for them to do so.
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@rayhan16
You were the muslim guy I forgot about. My bad. There will be enough christains here to address the contradictions in the bible.
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https://carm.org/islam/contradictions-in-the-quran/ contain some.
I know practically nothing about holy books, but we got a new Muslim guy (forgot his name). Maybe he can sort some of these out.
https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/biblical-contradictions/#:~:text=It%20is%20a%20central%20dogma,meaning%20and%20he%20cannot%20lie. contains some bible contradictions.
These are the religions that I know that have the highest stakes (meaning they each claim you must believe in them in order to avoid hell). The rest I think base whether or not you go to hell solely on your actions while on earth (so I don't have to believe in them to go to heaven). I might be wrong here, but I'm only guessing.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Yes if a woman wants to raise a child with a man she better find someone that's going to stick around and do it with her.
So you advocate abstinence until marriage for females? Because that's what that statement means unless you can figure out the difference between wanting to save sex for a man who wants a kid with you and waiting until marriage.
You seem to think children and women are pieces of s***
I don't know how you came up with THAT conclusion.
The penises should get to make all the decisions.
The penises should get the same amount of freedom in terms of the offspring they create as the vaginas. If Vaginas are allowed to bail a pregnency, so are the penises (with the converse, inverse, and contrapositive equally applying).
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@oromagi
You tagged intelligence.
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@zedvictor4
I never give zygotes a second thought.
So are you fine with deadbeat dads abandoning the zygotes they chose to create?
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@Double_R
The fact that men will never have to worry about experiencing labor or have their bodies used as a cacoon for 9 months while their organs are shoved to the side and their rib cages expanded from within.
That's not society's fault. That is biology's fault. Just like how biology punishes those with one leg. We don't let him get away with abandoning his kids despite the fact that he only has one leg.
The idea that we should ensure men and women are treated equally despite those realities is patently absurd.
I think you have lost this discussion by advocating for female supremacy.
Also, the 9 months of pain a pregnency is worth is about $25,000 (the rate surrogates charge). We force deadbeats to sacrifice more for their kids, so it's only precedent to do the same to females. No temporary bodily sensation is priceless in value. I know far left people have a hard time grasping that; but it is the truth.
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@DebateAllDaTings
Can you think of any areas besides gender where a definition has exceptions?
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@oromagi
You meant to tag Wylted.
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@Polytheist-Witch
First off if the woman keeps the pregnancy and has a child both her and the husband are on the hook for the child. You keep saying that if she has the child then she gets out of the pregnancy that makes no f****** sense. Second if she has an abortion the man is not on the hook for anything.
That’s not fair. If the woman wants the kid and the man doesn’t, he’s not allowed to ditch the kid he created. But if vice versa applies the women is allowed to ditch the kid. They both should be held to the same standard in the name of gender equality.
If a man wants to have a child it's his responsibility to find a woman that's willing to carry his child and have it for him to have one.
This would be like me saying if a woman wants a kid, she needs to find a man that won’t ditch her.
Your arguments make no sense you're just an someone who goes on and on about how you hate the fact that women have a choice about their own bodies.
Strawman fallacy. I think bodily autonomy in the context of a pregnancy, while valuable, is not priceless like the radical left claims it is. I would value a pregnancy at $25,000 because it’s what surrogates charge. We force deadbeat dads to sacrifice much more in child support bills for their kids. It’s only precedent to force a female to sacrifice $25,000 in pregnancy labor for her kid. Gender equality is conservative. The left wants female supremacy.
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@zedvictor4
Because society is obsessed with zygotes if the man does smash and dash. Hold the woman to the same standard in the name of gender equality.
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@DebateAllDaTings
Also, all a 5 year old can go off of are “signs” (a deep voice, facial fair, certain facial definitions etc.) to determine if one is a man.
Not all men have deep voices and not all men have facial hair.
However, it is a completely absurd to think a proper definition of a man should be able to be understood by a 5 year old.
I disagree.
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@Polytheist-Witch
So if you were a pregnant female, would you be fine with your boyfriend who got you pregnant ditching you? I wouldn’t; men and women need to be held accountable for their consensual sex.
Also, if the woman wants the kid and the man doesn’t, he has to pay child support. If the man wants the kid and the woman doesn’t, she is allowed to abort. That’s not fair. A man isn’t allowed to get out of a pregnancy but a woman is. That’s not gender equality.
If a female is allowed to get out of a pregnancy by abortion, a man is allowed the same by not taking care of the female that got pregnant and her zygote (converse, inverse, and contrapositive apply equally).
I think it is horrible that a man would ditch the girl he caused to get pregnant. If he doesn’t want a pregnancy, he shouldn’t have sex. Hold the woman to the same standard.
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@zedvictor4
If you don’t believe a zygote is a human being,would you be fine with a man who ditches the girl he got pregnant with a mere zygote? It seems to me that that male should be punished with child support. Punish the female who doesn’t want a zygote a similar way.
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@Intelligence_06
Your profile says you are male, so this is blatant contradiction.
If he is cisgender, then all valid definitions of male applies to him.
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@Bones
We shouldn't base the differentiations between male and female on how children differentiations between them.
Fair enough, so are you saying presenting as a gender isn’t enough?
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@DebateAllDaTings
For gender, it is a good argument. 5 year olds need a good definition for what separates men from women.
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@bmdrocks21
Still trying to figure out if every post is bait
What’s bait?
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@Kritikal
It is impossible to say the health concerns are false for all vaccines?
The side effects from all vaccine are less severe than the side effects for the diseases they protect you from.
In Christianity for example, the bible is just a set of inspired texts written by human, but there are most certainly other inspired texts and thoughts.
Do any of these prohibit vaccinations?
Which is a serious problem.
How else do you define the truth?
For example, there is proof that he intentionally lied about the efficacy of masks.
I would need evidence to believe he intentionally lied. Science changes as more stuff gets discovered.
Why should we deny treatment to anyone based on vaccine status?
Because I oppose socialized medicine/universal healthcare.
Doctors are not even allowed to do this for several reasons, including the hippocratic oath.
The hippocritic oath merely calls for doing no harm. If a sick person comes to you and you don’t help him, you don’t do harm to him, you merely don’t help him. Therefore it doesn’t violate the oath.
How is that socialism?
Because I have to pay for their treatment with my tax dollars if they are under government health insurance.
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@Polytheist-Witch
A deadbeat dad is forced to take care of his kids, even if one of those kids is a zygote. Hold the female to the same standard in the name of gender equality.
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@Dr.Franklin
hospitality
Immigration; it referenced foreigners and native born.
But I thought libertarians believe you can do whatever you want.
That only applies to victimless actions and circumstances. Adultery hurts those who get cheated on.
right. Welfare is liberating the individual from economic constraints and hierarchy. So liberalism
This was about conservatism.
that's not how it works in liberalism's mind. It's full liberation or not. No choich
They don’t apply this in other areas (like wanting to liberate females from unwanted pregnancies and forcing everyone to get abortions). Liberalism is inconsistent jus like conservatism.
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@Double_R
The woman gets to choose because it's her body.
Bodily sensations aren’t priceless.
If she ditches the zygote, they're both off the hook. If she doesn't, they're both responsible.
That’s not fair. If the woman wants the kid and the man doesn’t, he has to be a father against his will, but if the male wants the kid and the female doesn’t, the female is allowed to be a deadbeat parent? That isn’t good for gender equality. If a guy isn’t allowed to get out of a pregnancy, neither should a female. The converse, inverse, and contrapositive also apply equally.
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@Bones
5 year olds need to know the difference between men and women.
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And like this comment if you don’t think we should teach reproduction to 5 year olds.
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@zedvictor4
Fair definition if we are willing to teach 5 year olds about human reproduction so they know who had eggs and who has sperm. Like if you think we should teach reproduction to 5 year olds.
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I don’t think the left or right has a good answer for this question.
One right wing definition: Someone with female chromosomes. 5 year olds don’t know what chromosomes are. Come up with a better definition.
Another right wing definition: Someone who can get pregnant. Some bio females can’t get pregnant. Come up with a better definition.
One left wing definition: Someone with a female brain. 5 year olds can’t tell a male brain apart from a female brain; they aren’t doctors. I can’t tell the male and female brain apart, and I’m 20 years old. Come up with a better definition.
Another left wing definition: Someone who presents as female. There are young cis males who grow their hair out and are thin. People think they are girls. Similarly, some cis girls when they are young wear their hair short and people think they are male. Come up with a better definition.
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@Polytheist-Witch
If a female was pregnant with a zygote and the dad wanted to ditch her because of it, would you support his right to do that? The status quo and my opinion says no; you can’t ditch the girl you got pregnant. Do you disagree?
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@Dr.Franklin
Not a single one endorses immigration
Leviticus 19:34 endorses immigration and open borders (treating the foreign like the native born).
Ok Libertarian
I’m a libertarian leaning independent. On this issue, people don’t want to be cheated on, so there needs to be a penalty. Not death though. Do you support executing people for adultery like what the Bible calls for?
Increased taxes funnels it into the government, who knows what it does.
It subsidizes the living expenses of the poor.
To liberate humans is to give them vaccines
Maybe, but to liberate is not to force people to get vaccinated.
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@zedvictor4
Zygotes get unknowingly pissed down the pan all the time.
Unless the woman had sex, no. But she didn’t aim for this, so she wouldn’t be prosecuted over this. She (and the man that fucked her) would only be prosecuted in the event of abortion.
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@Kritikal
There may be health or religious concerns.
The health concerns are false. In order for a religious concern to be valid, one needs to cite where their holy book says to refuse vaccinations. If this happens, I would support a vaccine opt out for such a person.
Furthermore, the government has no right to define the truth
That’s what the CDC does.
Maybe there is an argument for local mandates, but a federal mandate on vaccines of any kind is tyranny.
I’m fine with vaccine mandates being up to the county. But if you end up hospitalized due to COVID and you aren’t vaccinated, no treatment for you; that would be socialism.
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@3RU7AL
Conservatives favor the Christian religion; not the Islamic one. If they take the bi Le to its logical conclusion, they would need a 100% wealth tax on all people because the Bible says so.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Are you willing to let men ditch the females they get pregnant if the female is merely pregnant with a kid? That seems very cruel and the guy should be punished if he does that.
Hold the female to the same standard. If a male isn’t allowed to get out of a pregnancy, neither is a female.
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@Kritikal
Disagree, protein deficiency is very serious.
Black beans have plenty of protein.
This was about children, not about freeloaders.
Consider the following scanareao: Let’s say a parent wanted to feed their child hydrogen peroxide. They claimed it was their kid, their choice. Would we let them? No; children need to be protected and the right of one parent to feed their child something poisonous is smaller than the right of the child to live. Children need protection, and that includes with vaccine mandates. It’s just precedent to vaccinate kids against disease.
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@zedvictor4
A zygote is a blob of organic matter composed of fused gametes and as such doesn't conceptualise and therefore doesn't consider worth or self esteem.
If that is really what you believe, imagine if a female told her boyfriend that she got pregnant with a zygote and her boyfriend ditched her because of it. Everyone would prosecute the boyfriend.
Let’s say he also breaks up with her but there was no pregnancy. That would be totally fine.
What’s the difference? The difference is a zygote was produced. If a zygote isn’t a human being, then it would be fine for the boyfriend to break up with the female if she is pregnant with a zygote. But I can’t support this position because men (and women) need to be held accountable for the zygotes they chose to create.
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@Dr.Franklin
So why should politics be?
Because politics is based off of values (or it should be; it seems to be based around parties nowadays)
What bible verse calls for open borders?
Adulterers should be shunned in a just society.
I think adultery should be illegal. But not punishable by death; the Bible punished adultery with death.
The Bible says to be charitable.
Increased taxes on the rich forces them to be charitable.
Progressive means to liberate the human individual from all constraits.
Does that mean they want to liberate humans from the vaccine mandate constraint? Or are they too partisan hackish to do that.
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