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@Fruit_Inspector
Is it morally wrong to have sex with animals?If so, then there is no hypocrisy to make it illegal to have sex with animals while not being a vegetarian.
This is incorrect. Animals don't consent to beastiality or to being killed for meat. If you value animal consent enough to ban having sex with them, you also should be vegan.
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@Wylted
Do you have a source for this? The original vegans weren't health obsessed; they merely didn't like exploiting animals. The health benefits came as a bonus.
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@dfss9788
Every animal that has sex can consent to sex to the best of my knowledge. Moreover, if your against legalizing beastiality because of fears of animal consent, would you also be opposed to drinking dairy (when cows are raped to get dairy and their calves killed) given that there are alternative ways to get all the nutrients that dairy provides?
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Society: We think it should be illegal to have sex with animals because we care so much about animal rights and animal lives matter. Sex where the animal consents is wrong because the animal must be protected. It doesn't matter that it feels good to some people, we must ban it.
Also society: Refuses to go vegetarian because eating meat feels good even though vegetarian diets have been proven to be healthy for people to eat and vegetarians tend to live longer than meat eaters.
Me: If you care about animal consent, why aren't you vegetarian?
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@Greyparrot
They aren't competition with the poor either.
If the poor are worried about unemployment rising, I don't think this is going to happen because the counties with the highest proportion of immigrants (big cities) tend to have lower unemployment rates because due to their high populations, they attract more and more jobs from elsewhere.
In addition to being a worker in the economy, every immigrant is a customer. Workers take jobs from the economy, yet customers create them at a proportional rate. This is why America's population tends to go up and the unemployment rate (with the exceptions of recessions and depressions) tends to go down (because more housing is needed for the migrants and the private sector creates jobs from this opportunity).
Not only that, but poor Americans often have seniority at their jobs. If an immigrant (documented or otherwise) gets hired for a job, it won't be at the expense of a native born worker because there are now more customers in the economy and more customers creates more business which creates more jobs, and the extra seniority would prevent them from getting fired from their job.
Thoughts?
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@dfss9788
Generally an older person possesses greater mental capacity, maturity and knowledge of the mating market, pregnancy, venereal diseases, and other potential consequences.
I think a 13 year old has much of this same knowledge. They know about pregnency and STIs. I don't think people should have sex at all with a person with an STI, but people have the right to infect themselves with horrible diseases through their sexual choices.
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@SkepticalOne
Any brains cells within a teratoma can be very much alive.
How? Wouldn't the cells have died outside the human body (maybe like not getting enough oxygen)?
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@949havoc
At conception, a zygote's cells resemble a cancer cell. At 6 weeks, the unborn' s cells are specialized enough to not be cancer anymore and females have had enough time to get an abortion if they wanted too.
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@Lemming
Not 'necessarily homeschool, but seems to me that people ought take an interest in their kids education,
They can, but most teachers don't agree with the parents 100% of the time. Homeschooling I think is the only way to teach your kid 100% of your values. But most people don't want to homeschool their kids.
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@RM
Corruption is terrible on both sides, so I'd say it is justified.
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@dustryder
I'm sure MTG has empathy, just not as much as the typical person.
For instance, in my book, anyone who for example wants a murderer punished has empathy for the victims of the murder.
But most "empathetic" politicians are curropt and I don't like that.
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@Intelligence_06
LGBT issues aren't a big voting issue for me. Since she's not curropt, I'm willing to overlook her strange Qanon beliefs.
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@dustryder
I would need a source to believe that. The sources are telling me that it's still 13.
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@rosends
What I'm getting it at is that you haven't cited a "biblical contradiction" but a "translational contradiction" so the question should be limited to those who rely on the translation to build a theology around.
If God knew this was going to happen, does that make Christainity flawed?
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@Greyparrot
Poor liberals tend to be more pro immigrant than rich conservatives. Poor liberals don't care if an immigrant abuses the welfare system because poor liberals do the same thing.
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@drlebronski
Liberals want more immigration and they argue it is good for the country. If immigration was good for immigrants and bad for the country then less people would support it.
You blocked me for some reason.
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@Double_R
Does the person whose body is at the center of this debate get a say?
They shouldn't have had sex and they have had plenty of time (6 weeks) to abort if they didn't want the pregnency. Even a woman who gets raped has 6 weeks to abort before it becomes illegal. I don't know why a female would want to wait to abort if (in the event their pregnency was unplanned) could abort before the 6 week cutoff.
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@SkepticalOne
Teratomas can have brain cells.
I think those brain cells are dead when they are displayed on a human. If you have dead cells, you can get them removed if you want.
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@oromagi
In 2020, 155 Democrats and no Republicans refused corporate PAC money.
I know Gaetz and MTG refused corporate money.
If Klobachar is "very corrupt" because she took $130,000 in corporate PAC money (I think the actual 2018 number is $1.9 million but about 70% corporate cash) then it necessarily follows that all national Republicans and 90-95% of national Democrats are more corrupt than Klobachar- so why single out one of the least guilty? Why not focus on the worst offenders, all of whom are Republicans? Donald Trump is the most egregious corporate PAC hog at 3046 times more corrupt contributions than Klobachar but you find no fault.....is that not also hypocrisy?
I criticize both parties for being curropt and I'm on the right.
If you consider taking corporate PAC money legalized bribery, then you should be voting for Democrats who are trying to limit corporate election spending not condemning one of politicians who takes the least corporate money.
I support MTG who doesn't take a penny from PACs. People say she's crazy for supporting Qanon. I'm willing to overlook that since she's not curropt.
But if your curropt, left or right I don't want to vote for you.
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@dfss9788
Children should be protected because they're often sexually naive and innocent.
So is a virgin, yet it is legal for a virgin to have sex if they are old enough.
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@drlebronski
your super sus bro
What does sus mean?
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@drlebronski
Liberals want more immigrants than what is currently in the county.
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@drlebronski
So is Spain a nation that allows for pedophilia because I don't think they are?
a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.
So does that mean if a 19 year old has sex with a 17 year old, that's pedophilia? Because the law says no.
I think 13 year old girls are going through puberty, I know for girls it's younger than guys.
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@drlebronski
I would say I'm an independent, not a centrist, at least for now.
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@drlebronski
Currently, the age of consent in the US is 16. But pedophilia is like having sex with a 2 year old.
The countries that showed age of consent as 13 or lower were:
1) Mexico
2) Argentina
3) Spain
4) Nigeria
5) A country I don't know the name of that's north west of Nigeria but still in Africa.
6) Iran
7) Philippines
8) Yemen
And some of them the age is even lower than 13, so it wouldn't be without precedent for the land of the free to lower our age to 13. Unless Spain somehow condones pedophilia, I'd say making the age of consent 13 isn't pedophilia.
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I know, I'm embarrassed in an edgy way.
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@SkepticalOne
My bad; I thought teratomas were a type of animal for a second.
But teratomas don't have brain cells so if someone wanted to get a teratoma removed, it would be like getting a haircut.
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@rosends
I bet there are people who don't speak English who think that the US Constitution makes no sense because it has a phrase like "Congress shall make no law".
The sentence is something along the lines of, "Congress shall make no law protecting the establishment of a religion or prohibiting the free excersize thereof". It's saying that congress can't be a theocracy by promoting certain religions.
He confused the languages to separate us from others.
He made different languages because he got angry at us because we built a building.
The laws that he gave, he gave in one particular language because those laws weren't meant for others.
The entire bible was written in Hebrew originally, so the contradicting laws applies to the Hebrews.
Is it a problem that the US laws are in English? Wait, says a Ukrainian, living in the Ukraine, I think that the laws, translated into Ukrainian, have problems -- how am I supposed to follow them? Answer -- you aren't. They aren't your laws.
American and Ukrainian laws are different from each other. Biblical laws are supposed to be for all christians, irrespective of their nationality.
what if I want to follow the elements of your laws that make sense to apply to other people besides you?
Move to the US and you get to follow American laws.
And Ben Shapiro would endorse what I said.
I don't agree with Shapiro on religion, but I agree with him on a lot. I don't believe something just because it's the democrat or the republican thing to believe.
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@drlebronski
taxes are not stealing peoples money
It's legalized theft.
this also is extremely selfish
News flash; we are all selfish otherwise you would see many people adopting 3rd world kids. There is nothing wrong with refusing to do this and therefore there is nothing wrong with being selfish.
BECAUSE IT HELPS PEOPLE WHO DONt HAVE AS MUCH PRIVILEGE OR MONEY TO GET INTO A PRIVATE SCHOOL!?
The parents could homeschool the kid and in addition to saving the taxpayers money, homeschool is better for the kid. Khan academy makes homeschool much easier.
yea lol we should now just let homeless people die.
Homeless people need to quit mooching off of welfare. The same is true for corporations.
also you haven't explained HOW this is authoritarian.
If the government gets involved in ANYTHING, it's authoritarian on that issue. If the government pays corporate welfare, it's authoritarian. Same thing if the government pays welfare for poor people, or welfare for rapists by keeping them dependent on the government.
DO you realize how much private schools cost?????????
Homeschool is free and better for the kid. It also builds family values by connecting parents with their kids more, which society certainly needs more of.
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I'm not here to advocate pedophilia, but America's age of consent is higher than the world average (R.a917a681b9943965b214397d34f60216 (1393×628) (bing.com))
I think that to reduce our prison population and to expand freedom in the land of the free, the US should reduce the age of consent to 13. This is well within the global normal for the age of consent and it expands freedom in the United States.
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@SkepticalOne
I'm saying they have human DNA and specialized cells exactly like a fetus.
Teratomas don't have human DNA.
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@rosends
Then God could have made it so languages don't change and so we all could speak the same language. Instead, he confuses us with these different languages so now he has to live with the fact that we all think the bible contains contradictions. If God is all knowing, then he confused us with these different languages on purpose so now he has only himself to blame for people not understanding what the bible says.
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@drlebronski
If the government is involved with ANYTHING, it's authoritarian. Granted, some levels of authoritarianism are acceptable. Stealing people's money to fund schools when they don't want to educate their kids via public school is authoritarian. Forcing people to feed others from their tax dollars is authoritarian. Forcing people to pay for a library they don't even use is authoritarian. I think schools and libraries should be privatized so the private sector can deliver more books to more people and public school sucks.
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Margorie Taylor Greene is one of the few republicans that don't take corporate money so she's not curropt.
I also give AOC credit for not being curropt, but I don't like her stance on UHC so I don't support her.
MTG believes in some crazy ideas like she supports Qanon, and I don't think this is a plus, I'm just willing to overlook it if she's not curropt.
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@rosends
If languages can present drastically different meanings, then why would God create languages so different if it leads to biblical contradictions? This is Ben Shapiro by the way.
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@drlebronski
Rand Paul on the Issues shows a better political compass test, but it's not perfect. There isn't an economic left/right axis or a social libetarian/authoritarian axis. Instead, there is social freedom and economic freedom. If you favor both, your a libetarian. If you favor one, your either a liberal or conservative. If you favor neither, your an authoritarian.
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@drlebronski
Because it's people supporting the authority of government supplying these things.
If you think that's fine, then that's your right. I can for instance see the benefits of a federalized, authoritarian military. But if you support the government getting more involved with people's lives, whether it's fiscally by supplying more social programs or socially by imposing more rules, you have authoritarian tendencies. I don't think authoritarianism is as dystopian as people make it out to be.
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@BrotherDThomas
TheUnderdog, as a true Christian, I can only assume that because of the blatant contradiction Jesus made shown above, He was probably drinking just a little too much wine with His 12 disciples, and forgot what He said before, and therefore, He contradicted Himself many, many, many, times. :(
If the Bible contradicts its self, why take Christianity seriously? If God is all knowing, he would have known better than to drink wine if it would lead to contradictions. Why follow a God that contradicts himself and never rectifies the contradiction?
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Liberals: One black person dies from the cops a day. We must be tougher on who gets to be a cop.
Conservatives: One person dies from a terrorist attack in the US every week. We need to be tougher on Muslim immigrants.
Me: WE ARE ALMOST $30 TRILLION IN DEBT! This is a bigger issue than both of these combined!
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@Wylted
Most libertarians still believe in having a standing police force, army and legislators.
Most libetarians aren't libetarian on these things. They are libetarian on controversial stuff though. I do want government run police to be replaced with private police though.
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@drlebronski
LOL dude your definition of authoritarian is when the government does stuff?????????by this logic food tickets=authoritarianpublic library=authoritarianpublic school=authoritarianalso please tell me what about free school is authoritarian?????
All of these things are authoritarian and society has accepted that.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Having the government run anything is authoritarian. Some amounts of authoritarianism are necessary. But libetarians want to reduce this and socialists want to expand this on economic issues.
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@bmdrocks21
Isn't PR literally a tax haven?
Puerto Rico - Individual - Taxes on personal income (pwc.com) states otherwise.
Lots of countries with higher taxes have much better infrastructure than us. Clearly, that's not it.
It's that PR's nationalized companies produce terrible services while costing the taxpayer lots of money. This is also why California is failing.
Hmmm, importing crime and exporting productivity. I'll pass
People act different when they are in different environments. For example, Elon Musk would be much more poor if not allowed to move. When he's allowed to move, he earns more money. It's similar with the people that would come to the US. They chose to move so they know it would be better for them if they did. People tend to earn more money when allowed to work in America and this reduces America's need to pay for Puerto Rican welfare. Plus this idea would help red pill PR by bringing innovative Americans to the island to develop it and this would be good for the economy.
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Conservatives: We believe in freedom of speech. If your a racist, we disagree but you should be allowed to state racist opinions. You can be as theocratic as you want and you should get freedom of speech.
Also conservatives: We can't let these Muslims in here; they will vote for socially conservative policies such as banning abortion and implementing Shriah law.
Me: You'd figure the conservatives would want more immigration and liberals would want less of it because immigrants tend to be socially conservative on issues like abortion and religious freedom.
Conservatives: We support the right to bear arms to defend against a tyrannical government.
Hypothetical undocumented immigrant: Uses 2nd amendment to defend against a tyrannical government (ICE)
Conservatives: Disarm the terrorist for daring to buy a gun.
Me: But you just said you support the 2nd amendment to defend against tyranny?
Conservatives: We want less government spending, even though the states that receive the most amount of government spending are red states.
Me: Why isn't rich California and New York voting republican and poor Tennessee voting democrat?
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@Lemming
It's make sense to be part of a political party, that aimed towards removing slavery.
Or you could just be an independent opposed to slavery. I'm sure the republican party in 1850 believed in more than just an anti slavery platform. They probably were fiscally conservative as well. If you want high taxes but are opposed to slavery, the republican party doesn't represent you all the way. With all these political issues, somebody thinking for themselves would have a very small chance of agreeing with any party all the time.
People already live in communities where others are more or less like them.
Not always; I'm right wing and I live in one of the bluest states in the country.
Joke aside, we've formed an identity, a system of shared values, though we still disagree a fair bit.Just the way of cultures.It's self evident.Though I'll think about it and explain it if you insist again.
What values are exclusively American? If it's freedom of speech, that value isn't unique to America. If it's the right to bear arms, 20% of America wants to ban all guns and there are many pro gun Canadians.
"Because if your a Republican, having your kid educated by a democrat teacher is easier than educating them yourself". - TheUnderdogSuch an action is lazy and immoral.
Most people don't homeschool. Do I think there should be more homeschooling? Yes. However, by your standard, the vast majority of people are immoral for having somebody that disagrees with them on even one issue educating their kids.
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@secularmerlin
No human has the right to use the body of another without their consent.
A 2 year old kid is using the body of the mother without her consent if she is parenting the kid. If adoption was not an option (as it isn't for fetuses), would the woman be forced to take care of the kid she created from her sluttish sex life? If she didn't want the kid, she shouldn't have had sex and the guy shouldn't have pressured her to have sex. This also applies to pro lifers who often have sex before marriage.
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@SkepticalOne
If having brain cells is your line, then teratomas can be human beings too.
Teratomas don't have the DNA to be a human. You need both the DNA and specialized cells to be human.
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