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@Moozer325
I guess that I just kinda assumed that most people didn’t use that argument because of its complete lack of evidence.
I can find articles that claim a zygote is a human being.
A zygote does not have consciousness
Neither does a sleeping person.
If a woman doesn't want pregnancy, then she should make sure her bf has a vasectomy before they have sex. I'm fine with getting a vasectomy before I have sex if that's what I got to do. It would also make transwomen more attractive to date (because transwomen won't require vasectomies to have sex with them). So if you claim to be very pro trans, then this arrangement is something you would want to support because it makes trans people more attractive to date.
or any of the traits that make a human a human
The doctors claim a zygote is a human being.
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@Moozer325
You are still depriving a possible human being of life.
The anti-abortion argument is a zygote already is a human life, whereas sperm cells are just potential for life. Just like an 8 year old kid has the potential to become a driver sometime in the future; but you don't live them a license until they pass the test.
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@3RU7AL
If RFK had brain worms but got it treated, then I don't see the issue. John Fetterman had a stroke and he recovered from it and the left said that since he recovered from a brain stroke, that he is fit for office.
Treat RFK the same way on this issue that you would treat John Fetterman when against Oz. Just have a standard.
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@Dr.Franklin
Trump committed adultery when he had a spouse.
Sleeping with prostitutes is fine, but not if you have a wife that doesn't consent. I think porn is different because watching porn doesn't produce pregnancies or spread STIs.
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@Moozer325
Sperm cells don't have all the needed chromosomes.
A complete puzzle with 1000 piecies is worth $10; one with 1 missing piece is 10 cents; a sperm cell is missing 500 piecies.
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@Dr.Franklin
I disagree. Adultery should be banned and punishable with community service unless both spouses consent.
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@Dr.Franklin
But what about adultury when your wife is pregnant?
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@n8nrgim
But he doesn't get paid for that; he pays a porn star to have sex with him.
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Statement 1: Opinions are like assholes; everyone's got them and they all stink.
Statement 2: Donald Trump is a porn star because he shows his asshole to everyone and his fans pay him money for him to show his opinion/asshole.
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@3RU7AL
we all agree that inconsistency is not hypocrisy
I personally agree but am unsure of other people.
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- Say that I don't believe in premarital sex.
- Get married to a rich guy.
- Take half of his money in a divorce.
It's called being smart. I'm not knocking the women who do this; they are immoral, but smart.
I'm always signing a pre nub before I get married and I encourage every married couple to do this even if the husband is only 1.5x as rich as the wife. If she doesn't sign, then you don't marry. Big deal. Women are run of the mill; there are billions of them. You (the man) is gaining in attractiveness; the woman is fading. If my woman doesn't sign a pre nub, then we are breaking up. If she wants a ring that costs anything more than $1, then we are breaking up. I'm the man; I'll find someone else. My woman won't have nearly as easy of a time.
I'm the man; I have standards. A woman can have standards as well; but if a woman is an economic parasite, then we break up. Call it a "feminist" relationship since I think the woman and man should have equal power (and equal responsibilities/expenses) and I don't want kids.
I don't want a gold digger wife and therefore I don't want a tradwife. I want my woman to earn her own income and this way she isn't taking money from me. I prefer a career woman who can be a bit rude to an incompetent woman who is a bit polite; I'm a man; I have thick skin and can take rude women. The career woman isn't going to be a moonch. A prenub would be signed and if the relationship stays sexless; then I'm fine with that.
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@420-1776
I was going to get angry at you until I realized all of your posts are satire. Lol.
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If you hate public school (not just think it can be improved, but if you hate public school), then don't become a leader for a public school.
If you hate charter school (not just think it can be improved, but if you hate charter school), then don't become a leader for a charter school.
If you hate government (not just think it can be improved, but if you hate government), then don't become a leader for government.
Any politician that says, "Government is bad, now vote for me for government", I'm not voting for them. If they alternatively say, "Improve government" or, "My opponent's government is bad", then I'll hear them out. But politicians should cater to the high IQ; not the low IQ.
There are 3 voters; one of an IQ of 140; another of 120; and another with an IQ of 100. The first wants a plan to get us out of debt (something that benefits everyone). The 2nd cares about abortion (something that could directly impact them or someone else significantly, but it's not as big of an issue as the US debt). The 3rd voter wants to know a politician's take on some stranger trans woman competing with cisgender women in a sport that does not directly effect them or too many other people to nearly as a significant degree (compared to abortion and the US debt). The 3rd voter probably doesn't have any kids that are good enough at sports to in theory lose their spot to a transwoman or is in that position themselves; it doesn't matter. They have very strong opinions about Israel/Palestine when the news was preaching about it (and will lose interest the moment the current thing switches enough). They don't offer any solutions to help both sides be happy; nor do they understand things from the other side (an example would be to let Israelis and Gazans move to the US to escape bombings from their governments).
The IQ=100 group make up probably 90% or so of the voters in this country. For this group, if they love Trump, then nothing Biden can do will get them to switch their vote to Biden. If they hate Trump, then nothing will get them to switch their vote. Like for me, if Trump never did Jan 6, then I would legitimately consider him a good alternative to Biden. I may not vote for him, but I would at least consider it.
Most people that hate Trump, Trump could have never did Jan 6; they would want to impeach him. He could have advocated for abolishing ICE and most people who hate him would hate him for it. Trump could be pro choice and most people that hate him would still hate him. Why? Vibes. Trump gives off vibes that a large part of the country clicks with and a large part of the country hates. Same with Obama. There are few willing to admit voting for him because he's black; but most Obama voters like Obama's vibes. Obama could bomb a place; kill a bunch of innocent civilians; and most Obama voters wouldn't care.
Most Trump voters will be anti war only if Trump is anti-war. Trump said he would bomb the shit out of ISIS (which would have killed a lot of innocent civilians) and then the anti-war pro-Trump crowd doesn't change their vote based on it.
The low IQ majority only care about vibes. I can literally say this to one of these low IQ people, they say, "Your right man" and they will assume I'm talking about someone else.
This country is filled with sheep. Asking them to be their own Shepard is an impossible request because their IQs just aren't high enough for that. Most Trump supporters would vote for Jessie Ventura over Biden if the coverage was the same (Ventura has very Trumpian vibes). Only policy should matter (and the rare instance of character flaw, like raping a child).
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Yeah; murdering people because you disagree with their politics should get you the death sentence. Even attempting to murder someone based on their politics should get you the death sentence (same thing if a never trumper threatened to murder Trump at Mar O Lago). It's also pretty stupid to do this.
If you are a MAGA person, then you murdering Biden; yeah it causes the death of Biden, but some other democrat who you would argue is worse than Biden would replace him. Same thing if you are a Never Trumper murdering Trump.
I'd be willing to vote for DeSantis over Biden possibly (only possibly), but not Trump. DeSantis never did Jan 6.
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@3RU7AL
If we invaded Iraq and killed a bunch of innocent people to prevent war, I would call that hypocritical.
But "democracy" is often nothing more than a word politicians use to get people to kill each other.
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@3RU7AL
THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF HYPOCRISYLYING ABOUT THEIR REASONS
See post 43.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
When TheUnderdog uses the word hypocrisy here he is referring to the idea of taking positions that are ideologically inconsistent
The OP does not have the word, “hypocrisy” in it. I do not believe hypocrisy and inconsistency are synonymous.
An inconsistency would be, “pro life and pro death penalty” or, “pro choice and pro vaccine mandate”. Maybe you think it’s justified, maybe you don’t.
The only way someone can be hypocritical on abortion is, “pro life and paid for an abortion” or, “pro vaccine mandate and unvaccinated”, or, “pro ICE and undocumented”.
Hypocrisy is much more strict of a definition than an inconsistency. Hypocrisy is a proper subset of an inconsistency.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Pro-interventionist leftists supporting Ukraine and not Israel is because Russia is an autocratic expansionist state and Israel is blowing up civilians.
You can say Gaza is expansionist as well. Ukraine is probably blowing up plenty of civilians as well.
American right-winger ideology is in favor of autocratic expansionist regimes as long as they are nominally white and they are against Jews
So they support anti semites?
The truth is that while the appearance of hypocrisy is common in politics
My argument is it's not hypocrisy as much as it is following the party and not coming to a consistent conclusion.
Do you think there is a large group that wants funding for Israel and not Ukraine? How would they be consistent?
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@Double_R
If enough people were interested in RFK he would have been on that debate stage. He wasn’t because they aren’t.
The reason a lot of people who would normally vote for RFK haven't is because they are worried about the, "throwing away their vote" that can be argued to happen in a system without rank choice voting.
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@wylted
Let's say masked men show up to voting booths with baseball bats and shirts that say, anybody voting Trump will get beat down when leaving the voting booth would count as unfair because it is threats of violence to manipulate votes.
If such a man shows up (which I think doesn't happen), then the voting officials would kick him out. But this doesn't happen.
If their are dead people voting or illegal aliens voting that would also count as cheating.
This is true, but I don't think this happens on a big enough scale for it to flip any electoral votes in any states.
A loss that does not involve any cheating or indication of cheating Wil be accepted.
I hope you are right.
How about this:
Lets say Biden wins in 2024. Trump thinks it's rigged. He should go to the Supreme Court and make his case for why he thinks it's rigged. If he loses, then he should accept the results. But lets say something like the South Side of Chicago goes 70% for democrats (normally it goes 95%). I don't think Biden is going to claim it's rigged.
Now question for you. Wil Biden except a loss if hackers log into all the voting machines and Trump gets 100% of the vote in predominantly black areas like chicago?Will he accept it if there is no evidence of hacking?
I would accept those results; I would be extremely surprised, but I would accept it. But hackers didn't cause any area that normally votes 90% red to become 100% blue. Trump is gaining among black voters, but still 80% of black voters are picking Biden (historically it's 90% and blacks in the hood tend to be more left voting than blacks in the suburbs). I imagine the South Side of Chicago may go 87-13% for Biden.
The second question is important because it is obvious that cheating took place but the cheaters covered their tracks well so you Wil never be able to definitively prove it
If you do a deep enough search on it, then you will be able to find out if they cheated or not. If I post, "Noodles are yummy" and delete it after 1 second after posting it, then someone somewhere can dig up the post where I said, "Noodles are yummy".
Once it's on the internet, it stays forever.
But you said if Biden wins and no masked men show up intimidating voters, then you will accept the results. I agree. This didn't happen in 2020.
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Biden will also not accept the results If the election is unfair.
The BoP is on you.
But answer my question.
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Trump says he will accept the results of the election only if it's a, "free and fair election".
Can anybody who likes Trump please tell me how the election will have both of the following criteria:
- The election is a free and fair election.
- Trump loses this election.
? To me, it seems mutually exclusive.
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@Savant
Good point, but Trump won’t denounce the John Brown’s of the party.
It’s also different because nationwide, 1/4 Abortion Recieving Females (ARFs) in their life and it’s very spread out. Slavery in 1860 was gone in half of the country (and this half didn’t get exposed to slave owners, so they were hated in the North). ARFs are common in every state.
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@Savant
Why would they choose (a) in the current political climate? There's a reason Abraham Lincoln was more successful than John Brown.
If John Brown didn’t commit terrorism (justified terrorism by our time because slavery is an abomination), then Lincoln wouldn’t have freed the slaves. John Brown made Lincoln possible.
But to lie about what you really believe doesn’t please anyone, not even your supporters. I don’t think the debate back then was, “slavery is murder”. Even Lincoln was a white supremest; whereas John Brown may have seen blacks as equal to whites. The pro lifer believes the zygote is equal to a woman, so if they are consistent, then they act like John Brown. If you had Lincoln’s mentality (black less than white), then you had a chance of getting elected back then. The right doesn’t have Lincoln’s mentality; they have John Brown’s.
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@Double_R
Democracy is about the people’s right to choose their own leaders.
So give people more choices and invite more people to debate in the presidential election. If you only have 2 options on a Resturant menu, then don’t be surprised when that Resturant goes out of buisiness.
Government doesn’t have to please; it just needs power and if it can be done with, “lesser of 2 evils”, then so be it.
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When you are anti-abortion and you believe the following:
- Murder should be punished with death.
- Abortion is murder.
Then it makes sense to punish abortion with death. Now if this turns you off, it's understandable; you are AUP; fine. Not everyone is.
Go after the doctor
If you do that, then doctors won't perform any more abortions, which means the women who want them will get them done personally and will do them on themselves. So whatever punishment you give to the doctor, you would give to the woman (whether it's a murder charge or no charge).
But bodily autonomy with the (unwanted pain vs preventing fetal homicide dichotomy) is for men only; not women in all states that banned abortion. I'm not endorsing that; but it's the truth.
Either preventing fetal homicide should be the consistent goal or preventing unwanted pain should be the consistent goal; but it's only consistent in the states where abortion is legal until the moment of birth.
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@Double_R
That’s why liberals want the US to stop funding Israel’s slaughter of innocent Palestinians.In Ukraine it’s the complete opposite. Russia is slaughtering the Ukrainians, the US is supporting the effort to stop them. That’s not funding a war.
With the Israel/Palestine war, the IDF is slaughtering Palestinians and to a lesser extent, Hamas is slaughtering Israelis.
With the Russia/Ukraine war, the Russian military is slaughtering Ukranians and to a lesser extent, the Ukranian military is slaughtering Russians.
Consistent anti-war ethos requires not funding any foreign conflicts of non-NATO countries.
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@wylted
Fair point, but on the big issues, a democrat from a blue place comes out as right wing on guns or abortion (or vice versa for republicans), and they get primaried. On whether or not Elaine Chao gets promoted to a position, nobody will care how you vote.
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@Double_R
Agreeing to debate someone has nothing to protecting democracy.
What is the definition of "protecting democracy"? If Trump is 30 pts ahead of Biden in a hypothetical poll (like Biden was with the other democrats in the primary) and he refuses to debate him, then that wouldn't be good for democracy.
The 2 parties not debating RFK is bad for democracy.
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@Double_R
The left is against the slaughter of innocent people, which is what both Ukraine and Palestine are experiencing.
There are also a (smaller number) of Russians and Israelis getting killed from the war.
The way to reduce innocent civilian death counts is to not fund war across the board. More money for war -> more death.
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Cutting military spending is something advocated by the left wing base, not the right wing base. Although both parties are bought out by the military industrial compelx.
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@wylted
Obviously a stapler shouldn’t cost $200. But why hasn’t this spending been cut already? And I find it hard to believe the government spends $5000 on a chair or $200 on a stapler. Republicans would cut the At to save taxes; democrats would cut it to give more money to the poor.
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@wylted
My definition of a globalist isn’t someone with an opinion. I thought globalist and billionaire were synonymous.
but that is assuming there is no overspending somewhere else thay could be cut to meet the budget.
But where would the overspending be?
If it serves a good purpose such as funding something that is worth it,
What about Patriot Care?
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@wylted
As far as Democrats not being tribal they seriously make everything political. Sports, TV shows, classrooms.
This is free speech and if you don’t like it, then don’t watch it.
Plus nearly 100% of of the senate votes with Biden, meanwhile Republicans only voted with Trump about 70% of the time
Where is your source for this information? Because I thought on most issues, the parties were in lockstep pretty much all of the time. Roe V Wade would have been codified if 100% of the Democrats voted to do this and about 30% of republicans joined them.
If I lived in Philly this is who would have gotten my vote for mayor
What’s your reason? And I’m not judging, but unless you live close to Philly, why would you care about their mayor that much? It would be like if I cared about the mayor of Phoenix that much (I live in the NY metro area).
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Debate on this DARTers. I’m courious as to the No side’s reason.
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@prefix
What is the true definition of "fascism"?
Whatever the Republican Party supports that the left seems is hate speech.
On some issues, I’m a fascist because on some issues, I’m republican.
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@wylted
It’s highly plausible there was a lot of video manipulation done in these clips.
Just watch at least part of the debate tomorrow and we will see how Biden performs.
I’m also aware enough to know if it’s given that Biden is in perfect mental health, that you would still vote Trump over Biden because you only vote republican. Don’t expect a democrat or independent to share that partisan tribalism.
A democrat is more lotto vote for a moderate republican than a republican is to vote for a moderate democrat.
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@wylted
He has dementia. The goal.is for him to hide it reasonably well in the debate so he doesn't lose voters. His bar is very low.
How do you hide serious dementia? It’s like taking the world’s fastest sprinter 50 years ago (maybe 80 years old) to act fast.
People with physical decline won’t be able to act fast and people with dementia won’t be able to act smart.
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@Owen_T
That’s why before the vasectomy, the dude stores pre vasectomy sperm in a hospital freezer so the only kids that come are planned kids.
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@Best.Korea
I believe the debates will help Biden. I don’t know if they will give Biden a win.
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@wylted
Well the real guiding principle is to avoid the destruction of America
This is a vague talking point. Be specific.
Leftist way to reduce homelessnessThrow money at problemConservative wayI.prove the economy so housing is affordable
Both parties support more housing being built. Everyone for the most part lives in a built house.
Assuming $200K per house, 600K homeless people; it would cost $120 Billion to wipe out homelessness; if you want the US to gain from this, then build these homes in Iceland, give the homeless a free home if they move there and vote to make Iceland a US territory, and then they earned their home by expanding US territory.
Leftist way to deal with out of control healthcare costsLet's just give people free healthcare so we can be like Canada and have a 20 hour wait time while having a heart attack
Canadians have less unwanted pain than Americans do. Their tax increase is less than America’s health insurance premium’s because they tax the globalists there more.
The right does the correct thing and try to cut red tape to create more competition in healthcare so we can still have good healthcare while also making it more affordable.
You can advocate for making it easier to get new drugs while making healthcare globalist paid for. They aren’t mutually exclusive ideas. Then there is a trade off with making the drug safe and getting the drug out there quickly.
which you can actually see in countries where conservatism is dead such as north Korea, Venezuela and Haiti.
The left wants us to turn into Scadinavia; not Haiti. If you argue Scadinavia is capitalist with social programs, then the left supports capitalism with social programs. If you argue Scadinavia is democratic socialist, then the left wants democratic socialism. The label is irrelevant; but the left wants us to turn into Scadinavia.
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The right's ethos is owning the libs, often in ways that make the right look silly.This is a fair statement
Thank you for admitting your party is unserious.
it's still a better political philosophy than even the best thought out leftist ideology.
Leftist ideology is about reducing unwanted pain; like consistently. That's their ethos.
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@wylted
The rest of us are just shutting our mouth so Jews don't pull any funding from Trump
So you don't have any principles except for, "get Trump to win no matter what"?
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@wylted
I don't want to talk you out of not voting
Lol
but the deficit is only important because it let's us blame the president for shit
Only left wing POTUSes though. We would never blame a right wing POTUS for getting us deeper in debt, right? (sarcasm). Blame them all for getting us deeper in debt regardless of party.
A good amount of that is to nation states we can just nuke if they get pushy about it, so no need to even pay it back.
If that's the attitude we have, then no more countries will loan us money. Debts have to be paid back; it's common sense.
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Our deficit is now about at $2 trillion. This shows how bad Biden is on this issue (but I'm not acting like Trump would be any better).
I don't think I'm going to vote for any politician that doesn't have a plan they are open about to pay off the entire debt in 1 term (all of them). The stupid majority cares more about Israel/Palestine because it's the current thing right now.
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The GOP with Ukraine: America first!!!
The GOP with Israel: America Last!!!
Any justification the right uses with Israel and the terrorists, the left can use for Ukraine and Russia.
Examples:
Israel is out ally
The left can say this about Ukraine.
Israel provides us with help against the terrorists
The left can say this about Ukraine and Russia.
This is how I know the right never meant "America first". The right's ethos is owning the libs, often in ways that make the right look silly.
I'm America first for both Ukraine and Israel.
The left is anti war funding for Palestine, but not Ukraine. I'm sure their excuses are similar.
Excuses are like assholes; everyone's got one and they all stink.
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@ludofl3x
It more has to do with the fact that I'm anti abortion and want it banned, but I also don't want women to be in pain for 9 months if they get pregnant unplanned. Vasectomies seem to be the best of both worlds.
I'll get a vasectomy before I have vaginal sex with a woman that can get her pregnant.
But if the people here think I bring up vasectomies too much, then I'll stop bringing it up.
We get it, you think everyone should have their nuts clipped
You are confusing vasectomies with castration; they are not the same.
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1 Zygote's life matters more than 9 months of woman's pain, but also, 9 months of women's pain matters more than 3 days of men's pain.
Vasectomies pretty much solve unplanned pregnancies and abortions.
Men should get vasectomized before they do vaginal sex on someone with the potential to get pregnant. Any man that says, "I don't want to get a vasectomy because my body, my choice", you have no business then telling women they should be banned from abortions based on the goal of preventing fetal homicide (because you are unwilling to make a smaller sacrifice to prevent fetal homicide).
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Your grandfather was a skinhead? Gee, you must be so proud.
Mark Kelly is a skinhead; what's your point?
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