Theweakeredge

There is no center of the universe!  According to the standard theories of cosmology, the universe started with a "Big Bang" about 14 thousand million years ago and has been expanding ever since.  Yet there is no center to the expansion; it is the same everywhere.  The Big Bang should not be visualised as an ordinary explosion.  The universe is not expanding out from a center into space; rather, the whole universe is expanding and it is doing so equally at all places, as far as we can tell.

According to all current observations, there is no center to the universe. For a center point to exist, that point would have to somehow be special with respect to the universe as a whole. Let us think about all the different types of effects that could create a center.

A) Trump even winning legitimately is debatable at best

Thank you for conceding the arguement. That was very gracious of you.

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Blatant attacks on myself now

Tu es  l'imbecile n'est ce pas.

The fact is you cannot prove logic.  This is indisputable.

You use logic out of faith - not because it is necessarily true. 

Logic is good when logic is correctly constructed.  Yet you are not infallible. You make mistakes and will get things wrong even though you believe it is necessarily true.

As I have said above I am not anti-logic.  Logic is a necessary part of life which bases reality in the objective. Logic has no meaning in the world of relativity.  Hence another reason to believe in God. 

Yet without God there is only the relative and the subjective. Even logic becomes fluid - consider how the modern teachers of logic refer to water logic as opposed to rock logic as they move away from certainty and objectivity. 

I no more need to prove the bible to be true than you need to prove logic to be true.  The bible is an axiom whether you agree with it or not.  There are very few things that could be an axiom. logic/ reason, experience, revelation.

Just because you have never considered this does not mean I am using a dishonest tactic.  In fact, it is your throwaway line that is disingenuous. No axiom can be proved except by self witness. All axioms are circular in reasoning. Not everything has the same basic ability to self-witness. These three things are unique in that regard. 

Yes, I considered how you would respond to my comments about millions of people using this as an axiom.  I expected you might attempt to refute it by suggesting it was an appeal to populum. But that is not what I was doing. And so I included it not as evidence that it was true because of its wide use, but rather as an appeal to you to open your mind, to understand that others do use it as such. That you went ahead and attempted to use it as a refutation, simply reveals you do not read well.  

People looking for truth - don't go looking on debating sites. They do research in the real world.  Yes, you might find some arguments you have not heard before here - but it is naïve to think you would find the truth here

I never said you were close minded because you did not believe me, I suggested you broaden your mind so you might engage with those who have different positions.  

Please don't think I am being negative with you. I am not. I am enjoying our discussion. 

As for presenting evidence, at the moment, we are conducting what might be called preliminary discussions. There is a time for evidence - but not before the discussions have been finalised. 

We don’t have to be on a  planet to measure said chemistry. We’re able to do so from the light it produces through its atmosphere. I forgot what it’s called. Anyway there’s nuances as well such as methane. On gas giants methane is common while on Earth-sized planets, not so much. The thing is on Earth, methane is overwhelmingly produced by biology.

Is it alright if we can do one at a time?

This is the dishonest liberal play of the race card. Do you think the only thing 100,000 primitive Afghans bring is a slightly off-white color? Immigrants bring their culture. Immigrants from backward countries bring their backward culture. The race is not what matters,  the culture is what matters.

Mexico is the top origin country of the U.S. immigrant population. In 2018, roughly 11.2 million immigrants living in the U.S. were from there, accounting for 25% of all U.S. immigrants. The next largest origin groups were those from China (6%), India (6%), the Philippines (4%) and El Salvador (3%).

Top Countries of Birth: Mexico, Estimate: 5,572,000, Total: 51%

As of 2016, the population of undocumented immigrants in the United States is estimated to be 10.7 million, roughly 3.3% of the entire US population. 50.9% of undocumented immigrants were from Mexico, and 20.6% of all undocumented immigrants resided in California. As of 2012, 53% of undocumented immigrants were male. In 2016, approximately 31% of workers in the roofing industry and 24% of maids/housekeepers were undocumented immigrants

Generally, most immigrants eligible for naturalization apply to become citizens. However, Mexican lawful immigrants have the lowest naturalization rate overall. Language and personal barriers, lack of interest and financial barriers are among the top reasons for choosing not to naturalize cited by Mexican-born green card holders, according to a 2015 Pew Research Center survey.

"One misconception about undocumented immigration is that obtaining legal papers is as simple as, say, changing your address at the post office, and that immigrants remain undocumented due to a lack of trying. But nothing could be further from the truth.

In fact, there are millions of immigrants who have lived in the US for decades, who have worked hard and paid taxes and bought homes, who have US-citizen children, who make valuable community contributions — who have been deported, and forcibly separated from their whole lives in America, because they weren’t able to “get legal”. Many of them have spent years and tens of thousands or more in legal fees trying to find pathways to legalization and citizenship for themselves. If there were a way to “get right with the law”, they would have done it. There isn’t.

As immigration attorney David Leopold wrote at Medium recently:

Immigration law generally requires that for an immigrant to adjust or change status to temporary worker or green card holder, he or she must have lawfully entered the United States…immigrants who entered the country without inspection — even as young children — generally cannot apply for a green card [while] inside the United States under any circumstances, including if they marry a U.S. citizen.

The question of why immigrants come to the US without papers, from a logistical standpoint, boils down to two things: the fact that there’s no “line” for the vast majority of people around the world to get into, and the fact that there’s no way to correct undocumented status."