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@simplybeourselves
I'd be weary to lead a vote ATM. He is a good choice to scum, but if there is reasnability to what he says, I think he could be a idiot townie, but I don't think that's the case
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@oromagi
My issue is that he soft claimed without being pressured to
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@Crocodile
Why did you soft claim when there was virtually no pressure on you to claim?
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@Crocodile
He's not saying your claim is fake. He's saying that you soft claiming was a horrible idea
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@oromagi
You are right about that, hence why I decided to remove my vote on Croc
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@oromagi
I am informing of this, and I'm telling him that Croc's role is probably a fake claim, but he is yet to listen
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I'm willing to lynch inactives

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@RationalMadman
I'm not telling him to claim. I'm saying half claiming is scummy. 

Even if he didn't get a claim, he could have been guided into making that claim
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This election, both of the candidates are Twitter-addicted whiners. Biden just whines better.
This is a fair point
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@RationalMadman
Hiding your role and character claiming only IMO is a scum move
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@RationalMadman
I think that Croc is making a fake claim here or was given a fake claim. I believe Pie gives fake claims out in his games and I believe he uses this here for no reason. Not to mention with the fake claim he gives is only a half claim with no role justification
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If left wing economics are bad, why are blue states the economic powerhouses?
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@Nemiroff
Private businesses don't have an effect on the way states lean. These rich companies can live in high tax states without worry due to their empire. It is worse to live in a state like Illinois, where they have the highest sale tax, and are the worse state to live in for taxes according to various assessments. 

California can be a country it's so powerful and are generally more liberal. They revolutionized progressivism and they fed off that to lure people. Their wealth was built up from lassiez fair policies when forming.

New York has always been a powerhouse no matter where they flip. It's a capitalism run city and it barely matters. The only reason why states lean blue is urbanization?

And talking about economic opportunities, I'd to recall the party that oppressed black people from becoming wealthy Jim Crow laws and enslaved them for 200 years. Oh yeah. Democrats. 
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Good morning

VTL Croc


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Discord Music Night Interest Poll
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Works good. I can set up the Discord and make sure everything works
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Ite It’s 1:30 and I’m logging off. I’ll check up in the morning 
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@RationalMadman
My character links, but the justification is very corny
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@Speedrace
Never ruled out Press as a safe claim and instantly gave him town confirmed. But his combination of play and deep analysis leads me to swing more town than scum. Yes Oromagi is right, but combining play factor and other aspects, I definitely say Press is more town than scum
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I’m not going to make a VTL toward them morning though. I was a bit reactionary to Oromagi, I’ll admit, but his logic was so outlandish IMO, that it felt scummy. I still think it’s scummy, as I never really seen him pressure so much about activity in game, but it’s not as strong of a determiner as what Croc has done
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Crocodile is at the top of my scum pack. The claim with no pressure is extremely non sensible and even detrimental to the town as a whole. His flip flopping on reads with User (as Press pointed out), gives me an indicator he is scum. How can you be so inconsistent on a read. He clearly was trying to ride a bandwagon wave? I dislike the pressuring for claims, as it seems like he is hunting for targets
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@Crocodile
Why are you pressuring people to claim in DP1? That just gives more options for mafia to target if they claim. 

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@Speedrace
*insert lenny face like boss*
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@Speedrace
If you agree with Oro’s inactivity theory, you should lynch yourself then
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@RationalMadman
See, you feel exactly the same as I did (actually you even repeated what I said except you made it explicit it's a power role that was what I wanted to avoid explicitly saying). I read this too and was shocked he outed that so suddenly.
It’s similar because it’s true. Half claims are more likely than not claims of a power role, because you aren’t giving a role but a character, which means you want to hide something. Yes there is a possibility it is a vanilla role, but I’d take my odds that they are a power role. It’s just foolish to claim a power role without pressure 
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@RationalMadman
I understand. I’m going to assume it’s a good vs evil, as I believe Pie’s splits have been that way, but it’s isn’t guaranteed 
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@RationalMadman
Theme splits don’t have to be good versus bad if that’s what you are referring to
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@Crocodile
That’s a huge claim to make. That’s obviously a power role without a doubt? Why would you claim that. A i is one of the most prevalent characters in the story and has a huge impact. That makes no sense to claim. I also consider that a bit scummy imo. You weren’t even pressured to claim, and it’s not like you claimed this beginning of the day.
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@oromagi
Life gets in the way of a lot of things. I’ve been more focused on being an entrepreneur and doing studies on my free time. I’ve been highly invested and simply did not see DART. It’s also the weekend, so I use my PC less. A lot of things go into activity, I believe it isn’t fair to judge based off that alone IMO, unless they are lurking or haven’t posted
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Back to catching up again. Will read on what’s going on. I will be more active tomorrow, as I have access all day to a PC
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@oromagi
I’ve presented the same level activity bursts that you may do in a game. You then are labeled town, yet you VTL me despite this activity bursts is the same as you. I’m not arguing inactivity is good, I’m just pointing out hypocrisy in your vote against me
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@Crocodile
You and Oromagi are my top candidates from DP1. Idk about the 3rd
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@WaterPhoenix
I said I town read Press. I’m not hard town reading him. Why are you preventing me from hard town reading people in the first place?
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@Crocodile
I see it as town banter IMO. I see Water as town and Press and town and it’s just town squabbling 
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I see no correlation between activity and mafia at all. Some members who are mafia are very active, but some who are not as active are mafia. There’s no connection unless you are generally lurking in the forums, which wasn’t the case for me at all. Ik you switched your vote to LC, but to base my scum on inactivity is not a responsible choice, and I know you have better reads than that


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@RationalMadman
The fact that oromagi is pressed over such a thing doesn’t make any sense to me when people have town read him despite his lack of activity in games. It doesn’t make sense to me. 
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@PressF4Respect
He went AWOL for like a month and then hasn’t played mafia since then. I don’t recall his play
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@WaterPhoenix
I agree, but look at his role claim. It’s extremely elaborate and detailed. With that claim, I find it hard he would fake claim with that ability 
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@PressF4Respect
As much as I agree that his takes were foolish, I don’t read into them heavily. I think Crocodiles jumpiness is more scummy to me than WP
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@WaterPhoenix
How do you claim that Speed is a town with no claims yet Press claimed Miller on D1 with a role? What lmao
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@PressF4Respect
Here Crocodile says that User is in kahoots with Speedrace, which based on #57, means that Crocodile sees User as lean scum again.
You pointed out a key argument here. It definitely seems that Crocodile is getting twisted on his reads. You have a very solid point. And it’s not like Crocodile hasn’t played mafia. I recall him playing as AvoidDeath (which he openly admitted to), so he is definitely not a noob. His jumping back and forth is a scum sign.
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So appearently I can’t enjoy my summer without being scum to oromagi? Wtf kind of logic is this. This is horrid. What kind of forced vote is that? Oromagi is force voting me for being inactive 

VTL oromagi
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@WaterPhoenix
Good morning. It’s 12:09
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@Crocodile
Am I not allowed to enjoy my summer without posting. Jeez lmao
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@PressF4Respect
User_2006 tends to make some false reads in game that go wild. He may have learn, but it’s his third time playing. I’m much more willing to let him slide on it until he demonstrates a better knowledge of mafia
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It’s also such a vivid character description that I believe it must be some sort of overall truth to it. With such accuracy, this is a claim that I believe to be true
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I buy Press’s Miller Claim. It’s a legit claim that makes sense in the world of 13RW
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@oromagi
Olaf the Snowman
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Hello all! I am busy working on music and stuff. Just saw this mafia came out and am reading up on it
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Sun Tzu's advice has helped me dominate this website bit by bit.
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@User_2006
I love Asian History in general. I took an AP course for it Sophmore year and fully enjoyed it. It’s extremely fascinating
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Y'all estimate the price for the ps5?
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@User_2006
I am the Next Generation lol
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Y'all estimate the price for the ps5?
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@User_2006
Yes I do
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