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@whiteflame
To a certain degree, I agree with the first statement in that he's really going for the Soldier fake claim. He's been going off on a tangent with it that doesn't match what I say, but he agrees with me that GP's claim is likely fake. If that's the extent of his buddying, I don't buy that that alone is scummy. It's certainly not necessary to be on the GP wagon and, given that we just got out of a game where we talked a lot about my logic,he's likely trying to kick the tires on it more this game. The second point I can't parse, but I think you're saying that he is just picking up on bits of the DP and missing the larger picture, which reads to me like someone coming into it and re-reading from the start rather than someone with a scum partner who can offer that information. As for utility... I don't get it. What utility? If he's scum, there's utility. If he's town, there's negative utility.
The highlighted is what I'm most referring to but there is also bits to the first statement. With my vote on Joe, he doesn't give me his legit reasons to believe why he is a soldier besides stating that there is the option he is a soldier. That is not an analytical statement by JoeBob and more him just seeing that you suggested something and using that to build off when trying force a lynch. This is something that I know mafia players tend to do when trying to draw mislynches because it buddies the "town" logic.
I don't think he is buddying you, but I think he's just using your suggesting as a buffer for what Grey is versus the reasoning as to why Grey is. For example, players like Earth and others have commented on why he could vs couldn't be soldier
That is my reason for voting him. I also definetly take into account the blatant lurking because no matter what, lurking is scummy and from others, it deviates from his playstyle
I don't think he is buddying you, but I think he's just using your suggesting as a buffer for what Grey is versus the reasoning as to why Grey is. For example, players like Earth and others have commented on why he could vs couldn't be soldier
That is my reason for voting him. I also definetly take into account the blatant lurking because no matter what, lurking is scummy and from others, it deviates from his playstyle
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My vote is gonna stick with JoeBob. I honestly just feel like he's buddying off of whiteflames logic with the Soldier route and taking it to heart. He also just gets chops of into during the DP versus the whole scoop. I think still BK is my top scum choice tbh, but it's gonna come down to him or Grey, and I think there's more utility in a JoeBob lynch than GP.
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@AustinL0926
Yeah what my thoughts were exactly. Plus I also just feel like Grey would claim Jester right away from the start and try to work with town. I have trouble seeing any reason to not buy the claim
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@Lunatic
Your read on Austin is very interesting. I actually wanted to check his last game he was scum that I could remember (which was My Favorite Anime Char Mafia), and while he did some of the questioning that seemed interrogational, it wasn't as much as he did in this game. I also know it was Austin's first time as mafia in that game so ofc his policy and belief could change overtime. It also sucks he was silenced Dp2 in that game and in Dp3 became overly aggressive to disrupt town. I am gonna try to read some games though to see though if this deviation is the norm
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@JoeBob
I’m almost done with page 1. Austin brought up a good point. What is GP is jester? His fakeclaim is prophet, and this whole thing is to win on the first day. Greyparrot is smart enough(I would hope so) to know that if he revealed as a third party, people would vote him out. Why else is the literal first post of this day saying he is a third party? It doesn’t add up.
Interesting idea but I really couldn't see GreyParrot doing that even as 3p. If he did, fair play, but the odds of actively claiming you are a 3p while being in that role are highly unlikely imo
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I'm going to reread up on the DP and make a vote. My vote at the moment is to vote BK because he is my top scum choice, but that could consider what a few users have to say
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So I think if Wylted is telling the truth ( I have no reason atm to think he is lying based on behavior), but if we can town confirm someone while getting away dead weight, it is inherently a net advantage.
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WF analysis makes me take my FoS and put him at null. I don't think whiteflame would focus into deep behavior analytics in this game if he was scum versus his town meta. And honestly reading back, his tunnel-ish on whiteflame (which I still think is relatively scum, is much less scum).
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@WyIted
Interesting soft claim. I don't hate the idea of lynching Grey is it relates to your role but I also think that's a tall order to do at this point. I already think a GP lynch is lazy but we will see
Btw this is from pg 10 so if you explained it then don't ping me please
Btw this is from pg 10 so if you explained it then don't ping me please
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Does anyone know if this is JoeBob's regular town behavior. I have 0 games played with him so his lurking and arrogance makes me slightly scum read him but this could be his normal meta
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Put some work in. Gonna catch up from where I left off in the DP.
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Gonna respond more later. Gotta catch my bus and eat dinner
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@JoeBob
Neither do I as shown through my inactivity through 2-7. But you are just actively lurking around in the forum doing nothing and contributing nothing besides being dead weight. Give us your reads, thoughts, and analytics, etc.
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Any others on null are either
1. I don't have a good read
2. Inactive / hasn't chatted enough
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@JoeBob
As for some people, I saw JoeBob post in the april fools sign ups 15 minutes ago but hasn't contributed here
VTL JoeBob
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I'll give my full reads at the moment. My read changes on whiteflame from slight scum to FoS because I could be wrong about behaviors but once I fully read tonight, I will make the final decision
Scum
Slight Scum
Best.Korea (role + defensiveness)
FoS
whiteflame (slight scum potential)
Greyparrot (lean null more)
Null
anyone not listed
Slight Town
Austin
Luna
Luna
Lean Town
Town
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@Lunatic
I'll admit I'm leaving my reasoning for why I'm buying specific character claims out of my explanations so far. I don't view the role (Millionaire) as sus on its face. I didn't view the Prophet role as sus. I viewed the existence of a Prophet with a fake claim as sus.
It really isn't that hard. I honestly wasn't familiar with The Ultimate Fighter TV Show and I still came up with a comprehensive list of characters and came up with a justification for the role. I used to do this even during older games that you can look at... If someone invests the time they can do that. And also BK is not necessarily "new." Granted he hasn't adjusted to the game fully but I think he has the mental capacity to find a fakeclaim
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@whiteflame
I can concede that maybe that's how play at town. I just think you've uncharacteristically pushy than what I've personally seen (ofc granted this is obviously been years since I've had a full game), but fmpov it's different from I remember. I may take a look back at these games later today once I finished my school work
I'll admit I'm leaving my reasoning for why I'm buying specific character claims out of my explanations so far. I don't view the role (Millionaire) as sus on its face. I didn't view the Prophet role as sus. I viewed the existence of a Prophet with a fake claim as sus.
But this is the problem. Why do you not see this role as sus at face. Maybe I missed it but it makes no sense to me. For someone to view an existence of a Prophet as 3p with a fake claim as sus compared to Millionaire that has effectively no use. We also know that Pie hadn't given a fake claim in the past 2 (thought he has a history and a mod psyche debate is brutal).
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@AustinL0926
Yes. He backed it up in 152 too or something like that.
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@Best.Korea
Not upset. Just telling you your logic was wrong. I could really give a shit
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@Lunatic
It just says that after I die, I get to say something to all and give someone item if I have any.
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@Best.Korea
Incorrect. You want as little claims to give scum as little information as possible.
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@Lunatic
Ignore my response then to the second cuz i think we agree then
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@Lunatic
It’s funny you think whiteflame is scum. I’ve found his behavior town as hell especially for the fact that he’s been tunneling hard on this. He sounds very familiar with the theme, and while pursuing GP this hard is kind of futile (most people are probably just down to lynch him on the basis of being an admitted third party), I find his passion pretty town. Coming from the last game where he was scum where he focusing too much on defense. Or other games where he just seems entirely too passive as scum, this is a stark contrast.
I disagree. In my fav anime characters mafia. Whiteflame was almost JUST as familiar with the theme and my choices (Flame talked a lot about anime in mod dms) and was not nearly as aggressive in that while also being town in that game, especially in DP1. I think his passion is unique, but I compare it to the town play where it seems to be way too much aggression than usual
Having never played with Bk I don’t know his scum tells very well but I think it’s foolish to scum read him off of what little he has revealed about his role so far. I don’t agree that vanillas should be lynch priority as he suggested but other than that I find it kind of wierd you got a hard on for him for his claim.
To be clear, it's DP1. It's presumed that all reads are slight reads. The problem is BK is a new player and the role he claimed is useless. I'm not saying that these "Vanilla-esc" roles should be lynched, but his role is one that gets him out of lying about action if he were fake claiming an active role. When I was new by the way, I did the same thing. Try to claim futile roles that wouldn't be CC'd easily.
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@Best.Korea
Two different affiliations. 3P and Town
You have not CC'd each other
Still 10 other people in the game
There should be no reason for this to be a 50/50 choose you or GP at all. This is how scum think
Still 10 other people in the game
There should be no reason for this to be a 50/50 choose you or GP at all. This is how scum think
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@AustinL0926
Maybe so, but that means nothing in the grand scheme of things
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@Best.Korea
They can affiliation confirm you and in a role madness game, that isn't necessarily indicative of them actually being town/scum
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@Best.Korea
Wrong. It's not a 50/50 split choice between you. Especially not Dp1
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@AustinL0926
Good to hear your thoughts. A few things:-We did spend quite a bit of time on GP, although I think WF brought up a legitimate reason to sus him - but I guess we collectively agreed to buy it? If only because there's not much else we can really get out of GP
Yep I saw and I mostly agree to buy it at the moment. At this point town would be just wasting time to try and prove it
-Pie gave fake role claims in the past, check my analysis of his previously modded games. However, it's worth noting that his last two games had no fake role or char claims.
You are probably right then. I haven't played in a Pie game in a while so I could 100% be wrong. Good to know that he hasn't in the last 2
-Yeah I'm definitely approaching this game from a more setup-heavy analysis style, sort of a natural consequence of me reading through dozens of setups while designing my own.I'll a little bit concerned on why you sussed Korea. It's a strange and highly specific role to fakeclaim, along with a character softclaim that literally fits the book exactly. Also, you know that everyone is a PR, right? Pie said it's rolemad.
Believe me, I know. Pie is very anti vanilla as he has claimed this boundless times.
As for my reasoning on BK's scum, I have faked claim niche roles too. Specific =/= town. I've made specific roles. The problem with his role is that it's essentially a vanilla role. It's a role that is done after his death. These type of roles are inherently scummy because the only way to test them is to lynch that person and there is always a hesitant to do this amongst town. Hence you can't confirm them in the game. In fact in role madness I tend to look at these specific roles in a lot more of a scummier light
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whiteflame's relative dismissal of BKorea suspicious role while pushing at GreyParrot reads me as a bit scum, considering I haven't really seen him that aggressive in a DP in a while
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BestKorea's role is scummy asf. Giving a role to someone when they die? So it's essentially an useless role no matter what. sure it's very vague but that's wayy to vague of a role. BK is top of my scum list.
There is a clear difference between GP and BK. Gp has been active trying to contribute, but BK had been lurking around and as a result made some sort of vague fake claim
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It kinda gives me the vibe that he got caught lurking and needed to drive attention off him by claiming something that is a PR
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BestKorea's soft claim is wayy to vague for it to be a Pie role description
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So just reading up to page 4 it's been bombarded with GreyParrots claim. From my POV and my experience, Grey will not budge or try to contribute much more to dissecting the role than he does now. I think that it is pointless to deeply dissect his role into deeper detail and leave potential scum untargeted. I think it is a waste of time because we know Pie gives niche roles that we may not find in other games. I also know that Pie does not give fake role claims. I buy the claim but I still have the FoS, but it is meaningless to waste a DP debating on it. I am a bit suspicious of whiteflame for dragging out a convo to try to draw a lot more attention to it, a lot more than he usually does in these games. Austin feels town considering he is looking at the role from the mods perspective and doing a lot of that, but I'm not sure if that's normal considering I haven't played with him in a game (from what i recall).
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I read that wrong my bad. My point still stands though. It's a viable claim but it has no validity to it. Grey is just essentially a vanilla town atp
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So the game will end on DP5. Interest enough but that isn't enough validity to the claim itself. That could mean anything per say. I don't like this claim
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Hello all. Will be active this game. Pie has my discord too so he reminds me to play so I should be good
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Apologies for the random inactivity. I genuinely forgot about the game
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@Greyparrot
Gotcha. That's what I thought but I wanted to ensure
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@RationalMadman
I'm not big into battlebots so I wouldn't know. Apologies if that maybe gave away info I wasn't aware of
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RMs logic is very town. Mass claiming is inherently scummy and gives scum more options to kill. This logic is inherently town and for that reason I lean town. I also think his theme hunting symbolizes his town play as well
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As for lynching. There is 100% no reason as to why we need to quickly jump to a lynch. It's DP1 and I believe the game started either last night or this morning. We have 48hrs since OP to post. Let's get some actual discourse and discussion verses lynching are primary target right now
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Alright I've done a bit of a mild skim, gonna go deep reads later during my break between classes. I'm going out with my girlfriend tonight (shocking I know), but here are my initial thoughts
-7k is dead weight. Dead weight = scummy. We will go back and forth on this no matter what. This allows scum to capitalize on this and lead to easy town mislynches
-Grey is town. This role is inherently pro town role but I still would like to add more. The character claim doesn't necessarily mean confirmed (I know I said it earlier but I reevaluated my stance), but it gives an indication he is telling the truth. Also we were all given a video as well. Mafia were given fakeclaims and I don't think they'd be given videos as well, so it makes the case stronger for Grey as town
-Luna is a lean town for my reason stated above. This is something I've seen Luna do as town and his overall analysis seems to be more town then scum but again I could be misreading
-RMs defensiveness reads more town. I also think his behavior analysis of people leans more of what I've seen before as town
Current Reads
Town
Grey
Lean Town
Luna
RM
Null
Null
Everyone not listen
Lean Scum
7k
Scum
Granted I need to analyze things a lot more for scum play and check behavior of other games, so that's why my scumlist is so small (besides 7k who is inherently hurting town)
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