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Should we defund the police?
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@Theweakeredge
Then you compare that to getting a prosthetic finger. It's only a temporary solution that does nothing. Your finger is still missing

The point I am trying to say is that by defunding the police and replacing it with whatever solution you have, you ultimately are weakening society more than developing it. No one here is arguing that police need reforms, but to take an extreme measure as to defund an entire branch of law enforcement puts our system in danger. 

The point is law enforcement is essential to our society and there's no way we can say that law enforcement is. Do you believe that we should hold murderers accountable? There needs to be fixing within our system for sure, but to abolish that would do nothing to benefit society. I would listen to coal/YYW's posts
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Should we defund the police?
I have a cut on my finger and it hurts. How do you go about a cut on your finger? Do you put a bandaid on it and wait for it to heal, or do you chop off the finger expecting the problem to be solved?

The logical approach is the bandaid. I will explain more about this analogy when I'm home
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Mime Mafia - DP1
We should take some time to who we consider voting early on versus mindless voting. We need to be careful of how we vote and put thought into it. I'm voting myself because I feel as if I am the best person to lynch right now since my activity will dwindle. But we also should not jump to lynch anyone yet
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Whatever happened to free market capitalism?
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@thett3
I'm sure YYW would agree with me on that statement as well at #24
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Whatever happened to free market capitalism?
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@thett3
Florida and Texas have already  moved on from the pandemic while  states like California and New York remain very locked down despite little evidence that these restrictions did much to help
Don't forget Illinois with the corrupt leader JB Pritzker, the man who leaves fast food places and lottery stores open because he has stock in it while refusing to allow children to play sports or support small businesses. JB is scum on earth and is a corrupt liar
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Mime Mafia - DP1
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@Greyparrot
Yes
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Mime Mafia - DP1
I'm going on Spring Break after this week and my activity might be minimal in the coming days. 
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Mime Mafia - DP1
VTL Supa
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Mime Mafia - DP1
I'm town. Win with town
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Heavy Hitters Mafia Endgame
Sorry Speed. It was either Chris or Speed imo. Would've put my vote on Chris last DP if I didn't die
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Mime Mafia (Quickfire) - Sign-ups
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Massive surge of new users?!
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@Trent0405
I'd agree
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Heavy Hitters Mafia D3
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@Speedrace
I don't agree, but it just makes me more likely to think ur scum
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Heavy Hitters Mafia D3
Chris voting Bringer instead of Speed sort of makes me town read him. We know he isn't defending Speed because there is probably 1 person left, so it makes it more likely Speed is scum
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Heavy Hitters Mafia D3
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@MisterChris
Oops
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Heavy Hitters Mafia D3
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@Bullish
I DONT KNOW PROBABLY 1 SINCE IT'S 8 PERSON
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everything is debateable
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@Theweakeredge
Therefore this is not debateable
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everything is debateable
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@Theweakeredge
Your username on this website known as Debateart.com, is Theweakeredge
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Why are we banning wylted?
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@Lunatic
A line of what should be tolerated as trolling that is freedom of speech. Even in America, a place with relative free speech, you can't just shout in a movie theatre, "i have a gun and am gonna shoot you!"
Agreed, but wylted never did anything like that, so what is your point?
The thing is you can argue he did. You could argue a lot of the things he did were that way. Targeting Speed in mafia because of race, the whole use of n-word, and other scenarios, and even this thread you can argue (granted I disagree). 

The point is that we are agreeing that Wylted was being an asshole. We also agree he shouldn't be permanently banned. I'm going to argue stuff he did warranted a ban, idk wha your stance is about the stuff he's done in the past, but I think a ban should've happened

In Wylted's case, he was trolling, but to what extent should be tolerated? I obviously lean to more lighter versions of this, but do you feel he crossed a line by blackfacing, saying the n-word, etc. You have to draw a line somewhere. The issue is that the moderation team is hazy with this line and I feel there should be initiative with it. I could do the same thing I did with RO's where I lead a reform of some sort, but I know Chris and Pie are working on something

Like I said, I think lassiez-fair, but a clear line should be drawn
Filter should prevent usage of the n word.

That's a site issue that you should ask Mike about.
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@n8nrgmi
The sky is blue
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Why are we banning wylted?
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@Lunatic
In the past, he multi accounted when under, Wylted.

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A line of what should be tolerated as trolling that is freedom of speech. Even in America, a place with relative free speech, you can't just shout in a movie theatre, "i have a gun and am gonna shoot you!"

In Wylted's case, he was trolling, but to what extent should be tolerated? I obviously lean to more lighter versions of this, but do you feel he crossed a line by blackfacing, saying the n-word, etc. You have to draw a line somewhere. The issue is that the moderation team is haziness with this line and I feel there should be initiative with it. I could do the same thing I did with RO's where I lead a reform of some sort, but I know Chris and Pie are working on something

Like I said, I think lassiez-fair, but a clear line should be drawn

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Heavy Hitters Mafia D3
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@Bullish
Speed at l-1.
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Why are we banning wylted?
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@Lunatic
Also note that he also blackfaced himself by pretending to be black and then using his alt account he said was black and vote illegaly 
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Heavy Hitters Mafia D3
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@Speedrace
1. There was a huge conversation with Pie and I about his bad reads and bandwagoning on Bringer's logic and constantly sticking to it to hunt for votes. Speed went AWOL for that entire phase, instead, shifting focus onto Greyparrot and neglecting anything with Pie. He also went AWOL in DP1 and only posted around 5 times
I'm usually active when I'm scum, and I was debating that weekend. You know I debate every weekend
I don't buy the argument of "I'm usually active." You can have a debate tourney and still be scum

extend: Speed also decided to show up dp2 to push a mislynch on oromagi, but when discussions of lynching Pie were on the table, he seemed awol, despite him being active on discord
I didn't want to lynch Pie b/c we wanted GP to kill him, what?? No one wanted to lynch him and I told y'all that y'all were dumb for not having GP kill Pie before I saw GP was even night
But you never scum read him and in DP1, never explicitly scum read Pie and were avoiding topics on Pie despite it having a large context

2. Speed claimed cop and then claimed vanilla to "bait" the NK. This is a scum Speed strategy. Speed will argue he does this as town, but more recently, he has used this tactic when he was scum
I got the cop result and wanted to out it, naturally it makes sense to claim cop in order to do that????? It wasn't really even to bait
It isn't affiliation indicative thought. If you got an innocent on someone and not a guilty, why did you even say? Would you out this as a normal cop? 

3. The vote count, speed was on oromagi with no justification onto being on oromagi. 
We needed to lynch and I agreed that he was being inactive like he usually is as scum

That's barely a reason
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Why are we banning wylted?
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@Lunatic
2. I do think Wytled's permaban could arguably be justified, hence why I am neutral on this topic
why's that?
I know that he has done a plethora of things, faking he committed suicide, saying derogatory words, mutli-accounting (which is taken serious by mods)

Finally, what Wylted said in that joke was a poorly taste joke that people who were not on DDO would not understand with Wylted. We have to understand that this isn't DDO, and that poorly tasted jokes like that do not draw the similar attention, and they have to be dealt with on that premise. He has also skinned the line many times, faking being transgender, faking mental illness and being suicidal, and saying derogatory words. However he was not banned for this once, and was only permabanned for that thread
It's the internet, why does anyone have to be truthful about their life? Unless your trying to do something illegal like solicit nudes from a minor, what people claim online is their perrogative.

I'd agree with that as well, but there's a line that should be drawn
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Heavy Hitters Mafia D3
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@Greyparrot
@MisterChris
There are two things I'm looking at when it comes to speed and mrchris, but I ultimately am leaning scum more on Speed

VTL Speed

With Chris, I do thinking his L-1 vote on Oromagi is concerning to a certain degree, MisterChris has been actively consistent in his logic throughout the game and has given some deep insight into the game that is beneficial to town. I also know that he can be patchy with activity at times. I also think he plays much more aggressive as scum than he does as town, and his reads reflect passiveness, and his thinking of the oromagi vote by carefully placing the vote lead me to believe that he is more town

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Speed has an inconsistency issue. Let's start off with the main reason

1. There was a huge conversation with Pie and I about his bad reads and bandwagoning on Bringer's logic and constantly sticking to it to hunt for votes. Speed went AWOL for that entire phase, instead, shifting focus onto Greyparrot and neglecting anything with Pie. He also went AWOL in DP1 and only posted around 5 times
extend: Speed also decided to show up dp2 to push a mislynch on oromagi, but when discussions of lynching Pie were on the table, he seemed awol, despite him being active on discord

2. Speed claimed cop and then claimed vanilla to "bait" the NK. This is a scum Speed strategy. Speed will argue he does this as town, but more recently, he has used this tactic when he was scum

3. The vote count, speed was on oromagi with no justification onto being on oromagi. 

I think it's between Speed and Chris at the moment and Speed is the more prominent candidate
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Why are we banning wylted?
This thread in regard has been deleted by moderation. This is an overstep in authority
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Why are we banning wylted?
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@Lunatic
First off, I am going to make a couple of things clear.

1. I don't agree with Wytled in his stances and jokes and believe what he said in the thread is deserving of a prolonged ban
2. I do think Wytled's permaban could arguably be justified, hence why I am neutral on this topic

But what I am not fond of is the banning of his new account. First off, it is public information that Wylted's ban was reconsider and changed to permanent out of nowhere in admitted statement. Virtuoso and Wytled have history and personal vendetta, and he even stated that he'd refuse to take cases with. 

I believe the best basis of action was to allow Wylted to return, on the premise that he would not do anything major to ban, otherwise he would be permabanned. This scenario happened with various other members such as ethang, disgusted, etc, yet the same scenario did not happen with Wylted. In fact, Wylted's account was NEVER banned from my recollection

Finally, what Wylted said in that joke was a poorly taste joke that people who were not on DDO would not understand with Wylted. We have to understand that this isn't DDO, and that poorly tasted jokes like that do not draw the similar attention, and they have to be dealt with on that premise. He has also skinned the line many times, faking being transgender, faking mental illness and being suicidal, and saying derogatory words. However he was not banned for this once, and was only permabanned for that thread
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Heavy Hitters Mafia D3
1. Mr. Chris
3. Supa
4. Speed
7. Bringerofrain
8. Greyparrot

Grey and me are town

1. Mr. Chris
4. Speed
7. Bringerofrain

I read Bringer as town. I am now going to use the Wylted meta and his town meta matched up in this game. Be aggressive from the start and take the opportunities. I know Wylted also did the same thing once with the day cop as a town to try to bait the NK, but when he was exposed, he played it off as a joke. In general, I think Bringer's play is so different from his scum play and I feel like he is less likely to be scum


This means my top 2 scum reads are Chris and Speed. I am going to reread their posts and decide who to lynch
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Heavy Hitters Mafia D3
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@MisterChris
There is no feasible way that I can be scum.

I hard scum read Pie from the start. In an 8 person game with in theory, 2 mafia. That would mean I would trust that I can take this game to 2 v 1 without having a role cop. Seems like a lose lose situation. This wasn't even soft tunnel, it was a hard tunnel that I had on Pie from the start.

As mafia, you want to secure yourself the best odds to wins. I didn't tunnel Pie with the vote because I knew that Grey was going to shoot Pie. If the shot didn't happen, then I would narrow the scum pool down to Grey and Pie.

If I were mafia, I would try my best to force the lynch on Pie so that the vig is less likely to take the shot and i can kill the cop and then vig when the np starts.

I'll give my reads on everyone soon

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Heavy Hitters Mafia D3
And looking at it now, Oromagi saying that makes absolute sense with his role that he has

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@MisterChris
I am vanilla. I didn't want to lynch oromagi because I was a vanilla and his thing he said about "vanilla shaped game" struck me as more town than anything and basically made me feel he soft claimed a vanilla role which could co-enside. I am Alexander Povetkin. I have challenged the title but never won
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Heavy Hitters Mafia D2
I am skeptical of oromagi's claim in general with vanilla. He also said that he believes that this game is vanilla centered, which is definitely a soft claim IMO. I wouldn't disagree with that claim, but I could see him using this to try to give himself some validation. Even so, why would he know that this game is vanilla centered in DP1?
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Heavy Hitters Mafia D2
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@Bringerofrain
I know oromagi claimed vanilla. I'm skeptical of that claim for many reasons 
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Going to look at oromagi's claim. He did say that the theme is vanilla centered in some ways, I would probably agree with him to a certain degree
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Heavy Hitters Mafia D2
What's the justification for oromagi? I'm not opposed if there is an actual reason
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Heavy Hitters Mafia D2
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@Bringerofrain
Why do you predict this will happen?
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Heavy Hitters Mafia D2
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@ILikePie5
Unvote

Accept the shot, no matter what. If you deny, I will hard scum read you. I think this Attack on Titan clip sums it up: (spoilers for AoT S3 FYI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elfEfq5SZ_Q&t=5s
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Does Kritikal debate have a place here?
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@Bugsy460
As a judge (which I don't do much), I don't value the K as much as some judge

FMPOV, K's I know are usually slippery slope K's and I can see any K fitting in this category. Even basic K's I read (Neolib, Cap, Fem Eq), have slippery slopes that I find hard to merit as a judge in a debate. I prefer a good DA debate or even a CP debate
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Heavy Hitters Mafia D2
If Pie is not shot this NP, then GP and Pie are scum.
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Heavy Hitters Mafia D2
Are we shooting Pie tonight? If so I'll take my vote off him
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Heavy Hitters Mafia D2
VTL Pie
I still think Pie has tunnel vision on me and is looking for mislynches. Now he tried to draw sus on Speed for targetting Binger. I can understand why Speed targetted Bringer due to extreme aggression and with his lack of awareness of dp1 events

Speed was sorta AWOL for DP1, so I could see him wondering why GP didn't shoot because he didn't read the explanation

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@ILikePie5
I've said that the lol rule was a joke by oromagi yet you completely ignored it. Stop

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Heavy Hitters Mafia
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@Bringerofrain
That’s not my law. That’s oromagi making a joke 
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Heavy Hitters Mafia
Going to watch University of Illinois smoke the shit out of Ohio State
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Heavy Hitters Mafia
Wtf
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@MisterChris
He only played 1 DP, but he seemed more passive there than he does now. He seems much more aggressive as mafia
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Heavy Hitters Mafia
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@MisterChris
I am Anti NP1 Vig-Shot.. There isn't enough evidence to decide on someone's fate by just reading behavior
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@MisterChris
Bringer is town. Fmpov, his play in this game versus last game is so drastically different that there is no way in hell that if he was scum, he would change his behavior that much
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Heavy Hitters Mafia
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@Bringerofrain
You are new to the site and my playstyle presumably (unless you are an alt of someone who I've played with before). Let me make clear of my belief

1. I believe claiming DP1 is stupid and helps mafia more than anything, claims should only be made when there is enough behavioral evidence to suggest someone could be scum
2. I believe VTNL is never bad
3. I do not vote someone unless I have a strong gut feeling or I believe there entire behavior is leading me to believe they are scum

Pie is a gut feelings and his tunnel vision behavior in DP1, something extremely uncommon for him. He becomes tunnel vision and stubborn late game usually
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