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@Greyparrot
Democrats
It's okay to be gay
Also democrats
Jd Vance is a fag, don’t vote for him
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https://www.euronews.com/culture/2023/08/30/chess-anal-beads-cheating-allegations-settled-between-grandmasters
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Actually hive him Hanns Nehman since Austin is a liberal
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Given the demographics of democrats and the Bell curve, this is unlikely to be true.
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@FLRW
Yes, the Republican party, known for its strong stance against drag queens, is being represented by a candidate who wears more orange makeup than any drag queen and a vice-presidential candidate known for his heavy use of eyeliner.
We are a big tent party. Drag queens are welcome. This is no longer the party of Neocons and social conservatives, despite us using rhetoric to appeal to them
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This did not go as well as the last one. Hopefully less questions means more thorough responses
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your moron statement is clearly wrong though. If you watch him in hostile interviews, he seems to dominate, but look into my theory that Ramaswamy cucked him
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Here is my theory. He was cucked by Vivek Ramaswamy. He has openly struggled with thoughts of being gay, so if he is gay who is fucking his Indian wife? Well there is a hint. One of his best friends in college was Vivek Ramaswamy who always hung out with him and his wife. The guy even named one of his kids Vivek. I don't have any evidence, but there is this feeling in the pit of my stomach that Vivek Ramaswamy cucked JD Vance.
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Israel can be irresponsible. It why Stuxnet is even known about. We could have used stuxnet to eradicate practically every nuclear threat on the planet, but Bush brought Israel on board and without permission they turned Stuxnet into a worm. It ended Iran's nuclear program earlier but also ensured it was no longer a zero day.
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@Sidewalker
It means Trump hopelessly mismanaged the pandemic, causing a million people to die needlessly, and completely wrecking the economy.
I thought he stripped away red tape created by democrats to make the FDA approve vaccines faster and saved millions of lives.
Also do you remember when he tried to shut down the border to stop it coming to America and democrats said stopping a pandemic was racist?
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@Best.Korea
he increased it the most during the 4th year of being president.
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@Best.Korea
and he increased it the most during the 4th year of being president.
This is shocking that the deficet grew only during the year a global pandemic started sweeping the world. What could this mean?
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Better yet. Store money in crypto and remove banks from the equation. The one thing Muslims got right was banning usury
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@IwantRooseveltagain
So it encourages consumers topics ethical banks that are responsible.
Out of curiosity l. Which scenario is better
1. Evil banks are propped up by the government and their recklessness rewarded by insurance payouts
2. Reckless and evil banks fail and consumers move to banks with ethical practices.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
The banks acted recklessly because the government allowed them to, thanks to deregulation and a lack of transparency in the derivatives markets.
What happens to reckless banks without economic interventionism? He'll what happens to most businesses that are no longer profitable?
The free market rewards responsible stewardship.
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FDR expanded the depression specifically for 7 years as conclusively proven by modern economists https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/fdrs-policies-prolonged-depression-by-7-years-ucla
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@IwantRooseveltagain
That's been debunked entirely and without question https://mises.org/free-market/how-fdr-made-depression-worse
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@IwantRooseveltagain
This is why you outlaw fractional reserve banking, but that is a topic for another day. However it looks like prior to glass Steagull most banks were local banks, so we can attribute these monopolistic modern day evil business empires to the economic interventionist policies that killed small banks.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Did you know that prior to Roosevelt 80% of banking was done by local banks. That most of our food was locally grown but now comes mostly from major corporations and we had a ton of small business owners. Wouldn't it be better if the market was more competitive, people ate more locally grown food and if everyone was free to have their own business where they did not have to be slaves to major institutions?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Here is some notes from one of the Welfare debates. I think this took place in 2015 but economic interventionism works the same
WELFARE DEBATE
The government has created a welfare system that makes it easier to collect a free monthly payment rather than work. [http://reason.com...](https://web.archive.org/web/20150303115040/http://reason.com/archives/2012/10/03/its-easier-to-get-welfare-than-to-work)
Many rational people are going to choose welfare over a low paying job especially considering the ease of acquiring it. This is especially true for people who's only other option is a minimum wage type job. Why would I get a job flipping burgers when I can just as easily collect welfare and have a ton more leisure time.
Here is 10 states where such a mentality seems particularly attractive. [http://www.statisticbrain.com...](https://web.archive.org/web/20150303115040/http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/)
State Hourly Wage Equivalent
Hawaii- $17.50
Alaska- $15.48
Massachusetts- $14.66
Connecticut- $14.23
Washington, D.C.- $13.99
New York- $13.13
New Jersey- $12.55
Rhode Island- $12.55
California- $11.59
Virginia- $11.11
Welfare pays more than minimum wage in 35 states. [http://www.cato.org...](https://web.archive.org/web/20150303115040/http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/work-versus-welfare-trade)
I honestly have no clue why anybody decides to get these minimum wage crap jobs.
It doesn't matter if somebody is an honest hard working person, once they have replaced their income it's going to be very hard to get a job.
**Welfare Discourages 2 Parent Households**
Back in the 1960's president Johnson began his so called war on poverty. Which meant creating a bunch of new welfare programs and giving more money to the poor. Johnson's biggest concern in this war on poverty was helping black people overcome the economic gaps they were facing and disadvantages of not having as much inherited wealth.
Since welfare funding has dramatically went up, the out of wedlock birthdate has tripled among African Americans. The income equality gap hasn't really been affected at all. The black poverty rate is still 3 times as high as the white poverty rate.
Here is what the Cato institute has to say on the matter.
_"Of course women do not get pregnant just to get welfare benefits.... But, by removing the economic consequences of out-of-wedlock birth, welfare has removed a major incentive to avoid such pregnancies. A teenager looking around at her friends and neighbors is liable to see several who have given birth out-of- wedlock. When she sees that they have suffered few visible consequences ... she is less inclined to modify her own behavior to prevent pregnancy.... Current welfare policies seem to be designed with an appalling lack of concern for their impact on out-of-wedlock births. Indeed, Medicaid programs in 11 states actually provide infertility treatments to single women on welfare."_
Kids that are born out of wedlock are more likely to commit crimes, drop out of high school, grow up poor etc.
All the info in this section was gathered from the following location. All numbers pulled from this article are well cited. [http://www.discoverthenetworks.org...](https://web.archive.org/web/20150303115040/http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1672)
**It violates the Role of Government**
The role of the American government as stipulated by it's founding fore fathers and framers of it's constitution is to protect the freedoms of and secure the rights and property of individuals accordingly with natural law. The government's only purpose is just to be a collective force to secure these individual rights.
The implementation of a welfare program is a violation of the government's role. Instead of protecting private property, they are now confiscating private property and giving it to another group. All individuals should be treated equally in the eyes of the government, but in the case of implementing a welfare program it actually gives preferential treatment to the poor.
**It Helps Perpetuate a Failing Economic System**
By instituting Welfare, you cover up the failures of the current economic system. By remedying the symptoms of the current economic system, you prevent society from so clearly seeing it's failures. Although most people who use this argument are Marxists, it's still a valid point and the criticism can be used by any competing economic theory. Instead of covering up for this systems failings, let's fully expose them so we can have the incentive to fix the source of the problem.
**Conclusion**
I insist that my opponent follow the structure of the debate. I have kept my opening argument to less than 5,000 words so he can post his opening arguments and rebuttals in the same round. After that we can agree to only use 5,000 words per round or stick with 10,000. I leave that option up to my opponent.
#welfare #poverty #economics #role-of-government #leftism
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I will see if my notes are recoverable.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
TANF was one of the major sources of support looked at by the study you cited. You don’t even know what your reading, if you read it at all.
I don't need to read it. I have read several studies on the effectiveness of welfare about several years ago for a series of debates I did, where I defeated the liberal multiple times. I remember the conclusions of the Studies I cited from the CATO institute.
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it's economic interventionism though and the studies on economic interventionism, show it to have bad results
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@IwantRooseveltagain
So to be clear, you have no idea what TANF stands for.
I just googled it. I think I have heard of it before, but it doesn't enter conversation much. It looks like some temporary form of welfare.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
You can’t even digest that tiny LA Times article on a child trafficking bill. Am I supposed to believe that you read and understood that study on welfare and welfare reform? For starters, the study wasn’t looking at Social Security it was looking at SSI. It was not looking at Medicare benefits it was looking at Medicaid, along with food stamps and TANF, which you probably would need to look up to know what it stands for. Lol
It doesn't matter. Either economic interventionism works or it does not work. We can look at the economic freedom index to see if countries like north korea and venezuala are doing better than the scandinavian countries at the top and then see. If there is a direct correlation between the level of economic freedom and prosperity, than we simply maximize that input to get better results.
I would look into systems thinking if I were you. You want to look at systems as a whole. If an input increases an outcome you are after, than you put the peddle to the medal with that input. If the input level harms an outcome you are after than you eliminate that input entirely.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
yes the article claims 50% of democrats opposed it because it could potentially have some victims be labeled as traffickers and punished. It's something that had a 1 in a million chance of occurring in practice so it was a bullshit excuse they were forced to disregard after the bill was unnecessarily changed to address something unlikey to occur ever.
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also I cam up with that ideal from the article I linked and many other situations where liberals fight against bills like that.
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bro they are citing government statistics from places that generally lean more left than right
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I don’t need free shit. I’m quite wealthy. I make 30k a month working 5 days a month. Sorry, I hate to see a grown man cry.
Why are you fighting so hard to legalize pedophilia and for free shit if you make plenty of money?
this is the only laws democrats pass. Ones that make the economy wors as indicated by the economic freedom index, the harvard study cited and by the mises link and bills like this where they fight tooth and nail against making it illegal to traffic children https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-09-01/california-child-sex-trafficking-shannon-grove-democrats-prison-bill-sb-14
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@IwantRooseveltagain
that's retarded https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
it's not merely an insult. Your argument against the position was that the government statistics the heritage foundation quoted is wrong because they have a worldview you don't like
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yes I am supposed to think you are not only an airline pilot but also a Marine with the following ideology
Give me free shit mommy government. Please do not let conservatives win. I want my free shit mommy
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Does social security, Medicare and child tax credits affect poverty in this country? You bet your cat lady ass it does
yes and here is a study that shows how it affects poverty
Although now that it goes against your worldview I guess Harvard is conservative now
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@IwantRooseveltagain
An ad hominem attack against the Heritage Foundation? Do you know what ad hominem even means? What a hayseed
yes here is the form of the ad hominem. In this case it might be called a genetic fallacy but is essentially the same thing
Premise. The heritage foundation is conservative
premise 2. Anything the heritage foundation says is wrong because of their political leanings
conclusion- The government statistics they quoted are wrong because they are a conservative think tank
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@Greyparrot
and he won't address any of the studies cited because he knows he is wrong but cannot admit at 80 that he spent his whole life supporting evil. I admit it. I fucked up. I voted Obama twice. I learned my lesson and am sorry I contributed to making the world worse
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@IwantRooseveltagain
No it’s not a direct quote, derp. This is: I drive a pickup truck and wear a ball cap every day, derp
You Pwned me. Owning a pickup truck and a ballcap. Damn please take it easy, I have feelings
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again, a poor person listening to the Heritage Foundation is like the chickens cheering on Colonel Sanders
You have to throw out an ad hominem attack against the heritage foundation because the government statistics they collected and organized would hurt your world view
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@IwantRooseveltagain
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direct quote from Roosevelt
These people are college educated with womens studies degrees derp, they are definitely smarter than plumbers, ignore the fact they are crying that they have to work at Starbucks and can't pay off their loans derp
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@Sidewalker
Biden's border security is 350% more effective than Trump's.
wrong
nice try
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Ah, who sees themselves as inferior?
you
here is showing how slave morality is leftist
The college educated liberals see themselves as inferior
Yes you midwits going after women's studies degrees are dumber than the working class, stem graduates and even hillbillies. Enjoy turning more cities into LA where liberal policies go unopposed and you can see the results of that in skidrow.
Um no. Conservative policies create income inequality and a hollowing out of the middle class.
also not just in theory but in real life the measure of how free an economy is (republican) the better the country does. https://www.heritage.org/index/
No. My point is you are the freaks, not transgender people.
yes the people for things like border security, free speech and maintaining the bill of rights are the freaks, not these people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOftpQcCurM
The people at the Heritage Foundation are paid by wealthy people to convince stupid poor people that the wealthy have their best interest in mind.
The main stream media, the hollywood celebrities and most establishment billionaires with generational wealth like Soros, warren Buffet and Sam Bankman Freid all support Democrats. The woke agenda has also infiltrated every single large business such as Disney, Nabisco, and McDonalds as well as the gaming industry, but somehow despite the fact that the entire business, media and entertainment realm is dominated by liberals means that Republicans are secretlt in control of everything and tricking poor people. It's not the politicians either who promised to help poor people in cities like Detroit or Chicago that become bigger and bigger shitholes every day, no instead it is the rich republicans who are incapable of winning elections in poor areas who are at fault for increasing poverty levels.
With that logic, no wonder you refuse to test your IQ. You know it would mean that you"d have to rope.
For example, they have convinced the idiots that tax cuts for wealthy people actually helps poor people. lol
And you have convinced yourself that high tax rates somehow make poor people more wealthy. okay boomer.
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@Sidewalker
No Democrats have expressed interest in doing so https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/democrats-introduce-bill-to-expand-u-s-supreme-court/#:~:text=WASHINGTON%2C%20D.C.%20%E2%80%94%20On%20Tuesday%2C,Smith%20(D%2DMinn.)
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Right. Democrats cut their dicks off because they support transgender people.
it's basic slave morality. You view yourself as inferior so you align with other genetic freaks. We do know for a fact that conservative policies create a more prosperous and stable society (see link) . I would take a look at the spiteful mutant hypothesis as well so you can be aware of the more psychological reasons for the impulse to turn prosperous nations into North Korea by moving them down on the economic freedom index. https://aeolipera.wordpress.com/2020/10/27/quick-version-of-my-theory-on-spiteful-mutants/
economic freedom index that measures how republican a country is can be found here https://www.heritage.org/index/ you will notice a direct correlation between how prosperous a nation is and how much they value conservative economic policies.
When you got married, did you both wear ball caps during the ceremony?
red herring
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@Greyparrot
Trump is weird. Let's cut our dicks off and be democrats now.
Cutting our dicks off is not weird but border security is
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@Moozer325
You do know that liberals are a hive mind and always vote together but conservatives are not and disagree on positions. It is why for liberal policies a liberal rarely ever dissenting but conservatives do. Preventing a super majority g does exclusively hurt conservatives and given that this is the final election conservatives are eligible to win, the liberals will have a majority in perpetuity should this pass
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@Double_R
Ibwant to go ahead and leave this here which shows why your statement in op was stupid
https://youtu.be/JEkrL5smSiM?si=nzODOT1NEHzLsOMI
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Cab you stop shitting olup the site with your nonsense.
Satire is for intelligent people and if done well, actually gets people to promote the ideal you are satirizing.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
You might ask why this is evil. It is because it hurts my side.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Democrats have been trying to do that as evil as it seems. I thought op was referencing this
https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/democrats-introduce-bill-to-expand-u-s-supreme-court/#:~:text=WASHINGTON%2C%20D.C.%20%E2%80%94%20On%20Tuesday%2C,Smith%20(D%2DMinn.)
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@Moozer325
Why are term limits so bad?
The court was built to be immune from the whims of the general population so they could make more ethical and fair judgements. Term limits would mean the passions of idiots do get taken more into account with the judges being selected
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