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@TheUnderdog
So you believe subsidizing college leads to college being more expensive for the consumer? Everything that is subsidized becomes cheaper to the consumer; we have free highschool; why not free college?
It depends on how it is subsidized. If you look at Devry university for example their entire model m is built on how much money they can milk out of government subsidies and loans, which increases prices for those not taking Pell grants.
The same think happened with health care costs when health insurance became more common. The consumer is insulated from the prices to a certain extent due to insurance so it allows prices to rise. In schooling you also have the effect of supply and demand. College is obtainable for more people so becomes more in demand.
I would also say that there are too many businesses demanding college education for jobs that train you on the job or don't need it anyway. There is zero reason a journalist or a tech worker cannot apprentice and work their way up.
You think CT has a weaker economy than Alabama? CT has a lower poverty rate and a higher GDP per captia (probably because our wonderful public school teachers get better funded). Low taxes -> less money for education.
My opinions on property tax, which is what funds school is more nuanced and probably more in line with the liberal position. I would also likely be speaking over your head by going into property taxes, how schools are fun a Ed etc.
However other taxes than that should be low enough not to disincentivize work or cause money to move out of the economy by sending companies overseas.
I would also say that yes, it is easier in general to live in places with lower taxes like Texas than high tax liberal utopias like sanfransisco or LA. You can cherry pick some states like CT, but when you look at things like the economic freedom index there is a very high correlation between economic freedom and high standards of living. Countries low on economic freedom do worse.
But how does lot taxes for George Soros lead to Hillbillies from WV being better off?
Him specifically it probably harms them that he has disposable income to influence elections, but in general it is best if billionaires keep their money in the United States.
It's honestly not hard to become almost a refugee which is what a lot of these guys do. They don't spend more than a few weeks in any country. They live in 5 start hotels and they put their corporate offices in places where there is zero corporate tax.
This is why you see so many billionaires dying in plane crashes. They basically live in planes and hotels.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I put it all at least 30% at some point depending which other forums we time travel to.
This Game is experimental. I am willing to admit when experiments fail, so I will wait and see. I apologize in advance if it harms the fun
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@Barney
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welcome to the spiderverse
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@Discipulus_Didicit
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new DP different timeline
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I think that's a good post. Do you think if America was an ethnically homogenous country free healthcare and free college would be an easier sell?
I think it would be a harder sell. The founding myth is of rugged outdoors men who stood on their own 2 feet. You also have a large libertarian population.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
That’s easy for you to say and it can’t explain all of the civilian casualties, only some.
Well I hope anyone who intentionally kills civilians for no military purpose gets punished with at minimal life in prison.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
It sounds evil. Why shouldn't I just have the opposite political philosophy of evil?
It's a good guiding principle right? I just find evil shit and then do the opposite of that.
If Hitler is vegetarian, I eat meat if the media is not unbiased the way they should be than I just be the opposite of their ideology?
Ig you are the opposite of evil you should be objectively correct like 90% of the time right?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Because they are demons that only care about clicks and controversy. Is that not obvious?
I just don't understand how things in a Grey are get more clicks than something that is clearly an injustice.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I went to chat GPT because you are useless
Your observation and theory touch on several complex issues about media coverage, public perception, and societal impact. Here are some potential factors:
1. **Media Sensationalism**: The media often prioritizes stories that are more likely to attract attention and provoke strong reactions. Ambiguous cases can generate intense debate and coverage because they leave room for interpretation and disagreement.2. **Narrative Fit**: Stories that fit into existing societal narratives or confirm biases may get more coverage. An ambiguous case can be framed in multiple ways, appealing to a broader audience and sustaining engagement over time.3. **Social Media Amplification**: Social media can amplify certain narratives, especially those that are controversial or emotionally charged. Viral posts can escalate quickly, leading to widespread attention and protests.4. **Activist and Community Response**: The reaction from communities and activists can influence media coverage. A highly visible and vocal response to a case can drive further media attention.5. **Historical Context**: The history of police violence and systemic racism in the U.S. influences public reactions. Cases that resonate with past injustices may receive more attention, even if the specifics of the case are complex or ambiguous.Your theory suggests that focusing on controversial cases can indeed sow division and lead to unrest. This can happen intentionally or as a consequence of the media's pursuit of sensational stories. Balancing coverage to include clear-cut cases of injustice, regardless of the victim's race, would provide a more comprehensive understanding of police violence and might foster unity rather than division.
TLDR, the media is evil
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@Discipulus_Didicit
That's a nice strawman but can you explain why obvious stuff like op is talking about is ignored by mainstream media when things in a Grey area spread?
For example we can clearly see the case by op is obviously a murder. Meanwhile the Michael brown shooting was obviously self defense. Why did the justified cop shooting get spread by the media and cause riots, while ops case is ignored?
What is the logic behind hiding obvious murders while promoting cases of justified homicide as racism?
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I think peterson is a liberal. He just happens to be an anti SJW liberal so a lot of conservatives have embraced him. I heard him talking with another liberal in a similar situation and both were saying they are aware of the psychological pull those who embrace you have but they both mentioned fighting the psychological pull. I can't remember the name of the guy he was talking g to though or I would pull up the video.
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@DavidAZZ
I think a flat tax would work best but that can only be done if we reduce the spending since a most of taxes are burdened on the back of the rich.
You should go to fairtax.org and read up on their policy proposall. Literally read everything. I did. It is a progress tax that has many of the same benefits of a flat tax. It also comes with a monthly stipend than can be increased if AI starts to replace us.
As for your comment about the size of the government. You can perhaps get more specific if you give a lot of thought to what you believe the role of government should be.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
If you watch the full video the other cop arriving asks where is her gun?
They knew he was a piece of shit. This is why I think there is some conspiracy . This is clearly a bad cop, but the cases that get the most coverage are ones where there is a lot of Grey area. This case is not on the news and it is black and white.
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@DavidAZZ
Lower taxes, smaller government
What tax rate should everyone have? What is the precise size the government should be?
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@badger
I am at work and I was chewing on what you were saying and trying to stwwlman it, because I respect your opinion.
I think that my impulse is to just say nothing is racist because a sizable portion of the left calls everything racist.
However personally when I run into a conservative who is a little too preoccupied with immigration or a little too preoccupied with BLM it makes me cringe becausenI know what's behind it.
I just don't like saying it because there are people who criticize BLM or are anti immigration who do not have the same motives behind it.
I sense it with my sister who has a black daughter and it's why I take the time to buy her black barbie dolls etc.
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Dp us over. Go ahead and put in your actions. Will give vote Count when I am home
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@badger
Just a bunch of Dublin scumbags blaming Ukrainians for a housing crisis.
So, dunno what you're talking about tbh.
I just saw riots on TV described as right wing riots. I guess people were upset because they felt like Ireland should be predominantly Irish or something. It was like t minutes of TV viewing.
All right wing politics has some minority in its crosshairs always. Blacks. Immigrants. Refugees. Jews.
That is just how the left frames it. Want border security you are anti Mexican. Think that America should do merit based hiring instead of racial quotas and you are a racist.
You should go on TikTok and look at the fat acceptance movement. I shit you not, they claim that if you think people should be concerned about their weight and take care of their health, that community calls it racist.
There was even a study done that examined how conservatives and liberals talked to black people. When conservatives talked to blacks they used the sane words as they did with whites but when liberals talked to blacks they used smaller words and made the concepts simpler to understand.
It's utterly fantastical to believe that 150 million people are understanding complex political realities and voting based on a thorough grasp of policies related to those realities.
True, and I also think anyone with an IQ below 130 shouldn't vote but it is what it is.
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@badger
Just a bunch of Dublin scumbags blaming Ukrainians for a housing crisis.
So, dunno what you're talking about tbh.
I just saw riots on TV described as right wing riots. I guess people were upset because they felt like Ireland should be predominantly Irish or something. It was like t minutes of TV viewing.
All right wing politics has some minority in its crosshairs always. Blacks. Immigrants. Refugees. Jews.
That is just how the left frames it. Want border security you are anti Mexican. Think that America should do merit based hiring instead of racial quotas and you are a racist.
You should go on TikTok and look at the fat acceptance movement. I shit you not, they claim that if you think people should be concerned about their weight and take care of their health, that community calls it racist.
There was even a study done that examined how conservatives and liberals talked to black people. When conservatives talked to blacks they used the sane words as they did with whites but when liberals talked to blacks they used smaller words and made the concepts simpler to understand.
It's utterly fantastical to believe that 150 million people are understanding complex political realities and voting based on a thorough grasp of policies related to those realities.
True, and I also think anyone with an IQ below 130 shouldn't vote but it is what it is.
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@badger
Just a bunch of Dublin scumbags blaming Ukrainians for a housing crisis.
So, dunno what you're talking about tbh.
I just saw riots on TV described as right wing riots. I guess people were upset because they felt like Ireland should be predominantly Irish or something. It was like t minutes of TV viewing.
All right wing politics has some minority in its crosshairs always. Blacks. Immigrants. Refugees. Jews.
That is just how the left frames it. Want border security you are anti Mexican. Think that America should do merit based hiring instead of racial quotas and you are a racist.
You should go on TikTok and look at the fat acceptance movement. I shit you not, they claim that if you think people should be concerned about their weight and take care of their health, that community calls it racist.
There was even a study done that examined how conservatives and liberals talked to black people. When conservatives talked to blacks they used the sane words as they did with whites but when liberals talked to blacks they used smaller words and made the concepts simpler to understand.
It's utterly fantastical to believe that 150 million people are understanding complex political realities and voting based on a thorough grasp of policies related to those realities.
True, and I also think anyone with an IQ below 130 shouldn't vote but it is what it is.
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Actually thinking about Irish politics and what is going on lately, I can see where this post is coming from
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@badger
There's more to it if you're clever and conscientious, but 150 million voting Americans ain't.
About 80 million of those actually vote conservative. It seems hard to believe that they are all racist.
Ne personally or what is easier to notice for me is the racism of the limousine liberals which you can get a taste for how that looks by watching "get out". Great movie.
You also have the fact that I think these people are really using rednecks as a type of scape goat. If you look at disproportionate hiring practices or lending practices etc. This is more likely to happen to black people in inner city areas far away from the backwoods areas conservatives occupy. It just seems like a convenient scape goat for some big city wealthy business person to point t the finger and say "see that redneck out in the middle of nowhere?" He is hurting you though you will never run into him at any point in your life".
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I saw this and was wondering why it wasn't bigger news. I have a theory as to why other situations blow up but not clear cut cases like this. I may test this theory later
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It might be useful if you describe how you define liberal and conservative and if you consider any ideologies to stand outside of that sort of duality.
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@badger
Lowest life expectancy of any developed country. Consistently ranked as having worst healthcare outcomes by every reputable world health organisation
Which is consistent with obesity levels
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I will be fine even in a 3rd world country the issue is the type of world I am leaving my son.
I can tell you that I wouldn't commit suicide. I don't trust my wife to replace me with somebody superior. However if I did than rest assured I would try to make a positive impact on the future to push back the collapse in some sort of dramatic event
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Or your child's college education costs? If George Soros is paying more money in taxes, then why would you care? You are not George Soros.
College education costs have risen due to hoe much of it is now socialized and also the value of a degree has went down now that is has been made easier to get.
Obviously sorts is not the only one that benefits of policies thay cause a strong economy such as low taxes. Poor people also benefit from the economy being good
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@TheUnderdog
As for healthcare you have already been disproven but here is the link again
https://fee.org/articles/if-american-healthcare-kills-european-healthcare-kills-more/
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Yet the IDF is killing thousands of innocent Palestinians. That’s the problem.
They are being used as human shields not much of a choice Muhammed
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@Double_R
Wylted presented what I found to be a ridiculous conspiracy theory so I asked if he would be embarrassed after being proven wrong again (
You are not talking to me and I will not defend davidazz, every man should be an island here. I did want to say that I mostly enjoy these activities as thought experiments. You probably won't get me to admit this too often because it harms the nature of a thought experiment but I think it answers some useful questions to ask about stuff that is unlikely to be true.
For example by exploring flat earth you can't help but to learn about astronomy. By arguing for what op says or even arguing against it, you can't help but to learn about some of the inner workings of political parties or governments at high levels.
If this were true, how would it work?
Could people close to the president hide his death and if so, how would they do it and would secret service agents rat them out or continue to pretend they are guarding a living person?
I know a lot of people now days are under the impression that conspiracy theories are dangerous, but honestly it is nothing more than modern mythology that you can learn a lot from dissecting, and sometimes conspiracies are true and you suss it out with a thought experiment.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I destroy my 8 year old at this, and then I mock him for weak upper body strength. He is on the 2.5 pound dumbbells every day getting strong and he just asked me for 5 pound dumbbells
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It's Israel vs hamas not Palestine. However with that said, as a right winger I think anybody who is a celebrity that doesn't have close Palestinian or Israeli friends and are commenting, are pieces of shits.
Let's take Elon Musk for example. There is no way that him working 80 hours a week ru Ning so many companies, provides him the time necessary to have an informed position.
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@Greyparrot
not the subject we are talking about and I know this is lies from CNN twisting shit, but it makes my dick hard. I will not only vote for trump if this happens but force every relative I have to take a picture of their ballots and send them to me, so I can ensure they vote correctly or I might find myself in a self defense situation.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
You're right I wasn't being serious before but now that I have watched the speech again as you suggested I am convinced. We need to do what we can to make sure Kamala wins in November so that They know we mean business
I am pretty sure no matter who wins, they lose. but i would like to see America stay s 1st world country, so will vote Trump. I would take her over a neocon if trump drops dead though.
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I honestly don't understand her ideolgy. I feel like Biden had the same ideology as Richard Spencer but kept it under wraps, but she acted so Authoritarian California. She literally refused to release prisoners because she worried she would lose slave labor. She also locked an innocent man up because she withheld evidence. So maybe she just tries to win hard as fuck at whatever she does and just doesn't have principles. I am not sure
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@Greyparrot
He doesn't want to hear the truth. Not even from a president he voted for.
You would think that if Biden can admit power brokers exist within the democratic party, you could trust that seeing as how he has been pretty well respected in the party for over half a century now
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@Double_R
Biden used the term as I linked to in post 3.
The elite in the context he used it refers to influential power brokers within the democratic party. It's weird I am the one alerting you of this, but different people have varying levels of influence
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I know you aren't being serious but here is the speech and Biden is referring to the elites, which means democratic Party insiders in this context https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-fgp88Nmoo&pp=ygUlYmlkZW4gc2F5cyBlbGl0ZSB3YW50IGhpbSBvdXQgb2YgcmFjZQ%3D%3D
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7) She is not a racist
False. Which is why BLM has publicly stated they will not support her
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@DavidAZZ
I wouldn't take what he said seriously. In the statement where he responded to you, he essentially said to just take the government's word for stuff unless we have evidence to the contrary. He literally would have believed Hitler in nazi Germany. The sensible position is to show skepticism of everything the government says unless they provide evidence that they are not in a position to influence in any way
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If racism existed you guys wouldn't have to keep doing this
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@Double_R
I know of no one on the left claiming Joe Biden was the "best he's ever been" so right off the bat you're lying in order to make these two things appear similar. If your position was legitimate you wouldn't need to.
The morning Joe show did it the week prior to everyone calling for Biden to drop out due to the debate performance.
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