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@Double_R
To clarify the words fight like hell aren't a problem. The insinuation that the countrybis doomed if half the electorate doesn't get their way is the problem
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@Double_R
And BTW, since you seem to have found a whole new appreciation for the danger of words that could be interpreted as a call to violence... Have you changed your mind on Trump telling the crowd at the elipse to "fight like hell or you're not going to have a country anymore"?
Yes
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@Mharman
Also, my theory is Austin-Whiteflame now
So you told us to unvote Austin to tell us Austin is likely scum
Wow ok
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@Savant
Do you know what it's called when you over correct.
The last 2 games you tunneled and were heavily criticized for it, and I believe as a result you have done the opposite and have a maladaptive paranoia.
Just vote Austin bro.
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@Savant
So earth lunatic and Savant seem like town.
Mharman is the only claimed doc and to me it is an unlikely fake claim. We have way too many investigative roles. I just feel like Austin made a ballsy play on dp1 and is the lynch here.
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@ebuc
Th8s is the official place to vote and your vote will be recorded when I have the opportunity to update the thread
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@Sidewalker
Isn't Doxing against the rules here?Reported.
I am the elected president of this site. There is no greater authority than me. I have decided to investigate your report and have found it to be baseless and consider this a warning as I will do everything in my authority as site president to punish you, should you continue to make false reports
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@Double_R
We both agree that Trump has more influence than me. Now you know there are unstable people on this site, so maybe ask yourself before you vote whether there is a place on the site for the senior members to say things that could set off the occasional schizo that visits the site
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@Savant
You are a coward for unvoting. You did that dp1
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@Lunatic
I knew the scum team would be looking for other PRs, at which point I believed I was going to be the target. Thankfully, Casey, despite being very secretive at the time, did say I could protect myself, so I did that believing the scum team would find my breadcrumbs.
He was in everyone's POE so it didn't make much sense to protect himself. I wonder if there is an ego component
Every person is equally a problem at mylo I guess. Maybe savant because he tends to stick to his guns very heavily,
I was thinking more in line as to who is most likely to get mislynched if they turn out to be town, because mislynching them now would be better than at MYLO.
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The mail in ballots are starting to come in. I might wait until the last minute to add them to the totals
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@Lunatic
What person being alive at MYLO is going to be the biggest problem for town?
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@Lunatic
Did mharman claim doctor before you revealed you tracked him to himself or after?
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@ILikePie5
@cristo71
@Moozer325
The real reason Vance was picked is so people can take a sharpie to the pe and crudely write in VA and can put their old signs to use
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As somebody who is close to some of Hollywood. They do care. They aren't that aware of politics but have an identity they cling to, but absolutely they will look down on you for being republican.. my wife's family practically hate me for brain washing her into being one
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@TheUnderdog
Trump was saying we should kill Mike Pence over what he did Jan 6.
False some protestors were chanting hang Pence. Trump was not at the protest. He was at the Whitehouse.
Besides this is a piss poor defense that this site should engage in the same behavior.
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@Lunatic
Do you need help catching up? I can give you a run down of the day phase.
Yes
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@HistoryBuff
These kind of outdated rules are ridiculous. If you personally want to abide by them, go for it. But we as a society should absolutely not be pushing them.
Look at women's happiness levels prior to feminism compared to now. Look at what happens to loose women. The get in abusive relationships, have a hard time pair bonding etc.
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@HistoryBuff
That idea is mostly used to try to control and subjugate women.
That's bullshit, and no virgins have considerably more boundaries than sluts
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@Lunatic
Are you struggling because you've been busy IRL, or is it that you just feel the decision before us is a super hard one to make
IrL stuff distracting me. My own fault.
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Guys I am useless this game. Sorry I am trying but if honestly when it comes time for me to vote I will probably need to read the arguments for why and kean on other people's judgementa
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Notice the new policy allowed mods to be fluid with it so it is a living document, so long as that was balanced with trying to create an evironment that creates a respectful and free speech environment
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@Barney
I have to try to scrap this together. When we did the new COC I kept the useful parts of the old one in after this. I think which consists of the first few sections of the prior COC and the part about how moderators punish and how they operate at the end of it
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This did not replace the whole COC, the portion it does not effect I will copy and paste below
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@Barney
Here is the updated COC and if we updated after this point than the data is lost unless you can find it
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@Barney
ou may not threaten or promote violence against any person or persons, barring hyperbole against public figures (e.g., “all politicians should be shot”). Advocacy in favor of terrorism and/or violent extremism, especially as related to hate groups as generally defined by the SPLC, is likewise prohibited.
So the COC I got passed in a MEEP excluded this but kept it nearly the same. The amended version looks like as follows I believe
You may not threaten or promote violence against any person or persons, barring hyperbole against public figures (e.g., “all politicians should be shot”). Advocacy in favor of terrorism likewise prohibited.
The issue is the political nature of the SPLC and the fact that extremists themselves should be welcome, though they should not be allowed to recruit on the site or use the site for recruitment.
Banning stochastic terrorism would add the definition listed and We would have to remove the ability to say "all politicians should be shot" . Let me copy and paste the new COC which was tough for me to retreive since I deleted my evernotes notebook when I went to obsidian
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@Owen_T
From the opinions I've read, I feel pretty confident
So the rule would ban me from makeing the following statement. Tell me if the following statement should be allowed
Biden is a threat to our democracy and at 4 pm on july 18th, you have a clear shot to the lincoln bedroom where he will be sleeping, if anyone wanted to kill him. But nobody should do that at all ever
Does the above statement really belong on this site?
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@TheUnderdog
I didn't know that was even legal; I thought if the jury found you guilty, then the judge sets the punishment if you are guilty.
It's rarely done but a judge can overturn a guilty verdict if he disagrees with the jury. Also if new evidence is brought forth that could have influenced the jury decision, the prior conviction could be overturned and retried, but after that many years they usually just let the criminal go. The lack of DNA evidence was considered new evidence in this case. I can't recall if there was a second trial, but I assume there wasn''t and am too lazy to google and confirm
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@Owen_T
In any future meeps, please feel free to reach out to me so I can calmly explain to you, the proper way to vote
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@TheUnderdog
It's better than the alternative; censorship. This is why we have menus at resturants; one food option may taste horrible to you, but other people may like it. Some people like talking about Trump, other people like talking about guns. If you don't want to talk about whether the Trump shooting was justified, then you don't have too. Other people like it. This is why we have menus (Trump said this btw, and as much as I hate Trump, he is right here).
Most of us agree we should have some level of censorship. It's why if I post some instructions on how to make pipe bombs or get away with rape on this site, Barney would ban me in an instant.
I consistently trust the people who actually sat through the trial.
Well the people who sat through the trial of the central park 5 found them guilty and a judge later on overturned the conviction due to lack of DNA evidence, an incorrect decision. So glad you agree with the jury here
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Official Vote count
yay 4 (wylted, tidycraft, Amber, ilikepie)
Nay 7 (mharman, moozer, theunderdog, adol, FLRW, Sidewalker, owen)
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@Sidewalker
I vote Wylted for biggest hypocrite.
Maybe next week we can create a MEEP for that
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@TheUnderdog
You should be allowed to hate Bernie Sanders so much you want him dead. I don't hate Sanders this much. You should even be allowed to advocate for me getting assassinated (a random nobody on the internet with no political power). Other people have enough common sense to not come to my home in Arlington, VA and murder me.
I don't think that will lead to a healthy discussion atmosphere.
There is a huge difference between calling for the death of the Brooklyn 5 and actually murdering them. You hero, Trump, called for the death penalty for the Brooklyn 5 because he believes they did something horrible. He is allowed to do that. It would only be illegal if he acted on this belief and murdered them (although if the Brooklyn 5 was actually rapists, then I don't think he would do anything wrong; it is because they were found to be innocent that I think what Trump would hypothetically do should be illegal). Trump believing the Brooklyn 5 are rapists, believing rape is horrible, and merely calling for them to be killed for something obviously bad if true is free speech.
They are not innocent BTW. They may have not directly rape her but were part of the criminal group that took part in the events that night. It's like when a gang surrounds you and only one is beating the shit out of you. The one's surrounding you are also at fault because you know what will happen if you attempt to defend yourself.
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There seems to be a pattern in who is voting for the MEEP proposal. Those voting against the meep proposal with the exception of 2 people are those who would have criticized Trump for stochastic terrorism just 3 months ago. Not to say they would ban stochastic terrorism but by it's nature it is a left wing term not usually found in right wing circles.
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Official Vote count
yay 3 (wylted, tidycraft, Amber)
Nay 6 (mharman, moozer, theunderdog, adol, FLRW, Sidewalker)
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discussion thread below. Let's keep this thread clean https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11386-stochastic-terrorism-meep-discussion-thread
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This discussion thread is for the following thread and aims to keep the other thread clean and just for voting.
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@TheUnderdog
Yes, Wylted is a hypocrite.You can stick it to him by voting Nay.
It goes both ways buddy, those who vote nay are opening it up for me to use stochastic terrorism on them also
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yay 3 (wylted, tidycraft, Amber)
Nay 5 (mharman, moozer, theunderdog, adol, FLRW)
Please ignore any non official vote counts
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I would have preferred Vivek, or someone so crazy that they would be afraid to assassinate Trump; like Alex Jones.
I Don't even think JD Vance was the pick. He found out 20 minutes prior to everyone else. My theory is that, the shot brought Trump closer to God and this is what God put in his heart.
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@ILikePie5
Don’t feed the troll, not worth it. He should be banned for advocating violence on people though
This is true but I am practicing my OSINT and keep getting nuggets like the following;
Even a first year FO on the smallest plane makes more than you. I’m a Captain on the 737 with 8 year seniority
It's probably untrue but so far I have him narrowed to being one of 10 people and if this is true that makes him 1 of 3 potential people, and everything helps.
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Official Vote count
yay 3 (wylted, tidycraft, Amber)
Nay 4 (mharman, moozer, theunderdog, adol)
Please ignore any non official vote counts
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Clueless, absolutely clueless. If you owned a business would you hire someone who had substance abuse issues? Mental illness? Had no place to bath or have a change of clothes? Those people need help before they can be employable.
I guess they are white trash according to you and don't deserve help. Oh well.
lol. What a tool
You claim I am a moron and you are a genius. Not sure why you would be scared to do this. You have nothing to lose.
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Before any retarded speculation happens that I was fired or something. I quit and went to a non unionized company and immediately got a pay raise and benefits.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Oh that’s beautiful. What a genius. What union was it?
UfCW 27
The salary for pilots at major airlines is public record. You can google it. But since you don’t want to believe it, you won’t accept facts and pretend that you are doing ok.
Okay what is your first and last name so I can Google it.
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@Moozer325
Not humble. His upbringing was like yours, with drunks and irresponsible parents giving small children Mountain Dew in a sippy cup. You know, idiots.
I told you we can both meet up to test our IQs. I will pay for it under the co edition that the loser does have to take a cyanide capsule. You declined.
If the NAZI party put out a press release saying they were pro-Jew, would you believe it?
The nazis haven't Done that because they are not pro jew
No. No we don’t. We have a shitload of minimum wage jobs. We don’t have enough workers to fill them. That’s why when you go to a restaurant, they can’t seat people at the empty tables because there aren’t enough workers to cook and serve the food.
Then they better find a way to get more productivity out of less people you are a fan of Robert reich here is what he has to say about the labor shortage myth
I literally see homeless people outside. Just fucking hire them. I don't know or stop doing felony checks for hiring a dishwasher.
I am sure the solution isn't to bring in a bunch of people who already destroyed their home country and did the opposite of what the economic freedom index indicates they should do.
Don’t bother. Wytled is a MAGA MORON who thinks Trump is on the side of white people. They can’t say that out loud so they camouflage their ideas and say Trump is America First.
It honestly doesn't matter because hisnpolicies are objectively better for the country. The leftist media even admits this which is why they never actually do a deep dive on his policy positions to pick them apart.
Moozer
Vance literally used "white trash" in the book. Also, Roosevelt wasn't even critizinging him for that.
I doubt he uses it like Roosevelt. Roosevelt uses it to mean all poor white people are evil or something.
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@Moozer325
He criticized JD Vance for having a humble background.
White trash is a term that means poor people who happen to be white, but obviously if you have that disdain for poor white people it would apply to other races as well
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