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@IwantRooseveltagain
No, we shouldn’t and Democrats don’t want to ban all guns.
I have beenndebating for over 10 years and used to be a Democrat. I know better
I’ve owned guns since I was in the 8th grade and was an expert shooter in the Marines as an officer and I’ve had a conceal carry permit in the past.
Doubtful, marines don't usually have such a feminine thinking style.
He literally opened his first campaign by vilifying immigrants. He’s been claiming they are all violent criminals and drug dealers and rapists from day one.
False this has been disproven many times and is not a generous way to interpret his words. Nearly every time he criticizes open borders he follows it up about a statement on increasing legal immigration.
Today, we are presenting a clear contrast: Democrats are proposing open borders, lower wages, and, frankly, lawless chaos. We are proposing an immigration plan that puts the jobs, wages, and safety of American workers first. (Applause.)
Our proposal is pro-American, pro-immigrant, and pro-worker. It’s just common sense. It will help all of our people, including millions of devoted immigrants, to achieve the American Dream.
My argument is we have a shortage of minimum wage workers in this country. I said the reason YOU don’t want immigration is because you’re concerned they will be a better worker than you. You don’t want the competition. Again, that’s capitalism.
This is ad hominem and doesn't address the argument. It's also stupid. Immigrants provide worse labor.
We also have a shitload of minimum wage workers and it is literally retarded to argue there is not enough poor people in the country.
Besides we want a shortage of minimum wage workers because it forces incomes up. With employee shortages, wages rise. With job shortages, wages fall.
If you were smart, you would form a union. Unuionize so the company can’t offer the job to the lowest bidder. Get a seniority system going like we have for airline pilots.
No lol. When I was a kid I worked a union job. It was minimum wage but on top of it there were union dues and it didn't offer employment stability either. Often management went on random firing sprees at seemingly random times.
It's an extra tax. I feel like you probably don't make as much as you claim. I have seen whiteflame argue some pretty good debates supporting a liberal world view. He seems reasonably intelligent. I haven't seen you put together a single one, and my understanding is airline pilots have to have above average IQ, though I guess if you are in a union and experience and DEI is preferred over a strict meritocracy it could be true.
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. Trump’s attempt to vilify immigrants as dangerous or lazy is a lie that he tells because he knows itappeals to people like you who don’t want to admit that these immigrants can do your unskilled jobbetter than you.
He literally stated he wanted to increase legal immigration but just step up border security, so he is doing a shitty job villifying immigranta
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@IwantRooseveltagain
We already have some level of border control. I know immigration scares you because immigrants could easily step into your job, do it better than you with a stronger work ethic and do it for less money. But that’s capitalism.
So your argument for liberalism is that more minimum wage workers will be displaced causing a larger homeless and welfare population. You are definitely showing your superior intelligence here.
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I notice you don't debate because internally you know your beliefs are retarded. You also refused an IQ test when challenged with real stakes prior
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Well, the working class should not talk about things they don’t understand. Good parents teach their kids not to speak about things they know nothing about.
Like what. Which of the following conservative beliefs are wrong
1. There should be some level of border control
2. We shouldn't ban all guns
3. We should have an efficient government
4. The military should be strong enough to defend the country.
5. Let's not cut off the penis of gay children
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I’ve always said it’s not your fault because you had crappy, neglectful parents. I can understand why you don’t like the term white trash, but I hope you’re not one of those politically correct pinheads, or is it only when you fall squarely in the subject of the political incorrectness?Did you read his book? Probably not. You don’t have time for that working multiple low wage jobs.
Another statement showing your disdain for the working class.
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@Moozer325
Read post 11. That is what everyone on the left secretly thinks of poor people.
I read his book, hillbilly elegy. Basically Vance admits he comes from a white trash family.
This is who you are aligning with. That's not a strawman. That is something your typical democrat just wrote above
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@Moozer325
As our countries first, John Adams once famously said, "[it is] the most insignificant office that ever the invention of man contrived or his imagination conceived."
When John Adam's had the position, it automatically went to the loser of the election.
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@cristo71
Who would be an “exciting” choice?
Tucker Carlson
Sarah Palin was chosen out of a need for excitement, and the choice was one of political history’s great blunders…
Yeah well Roger Stone was not consulted with that pick. Stone's playbook which Trump is following ensures a boring pick whose job it is to not fuck up what Trump is doing
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The playbook demands a boring VP pick, I am just glad it wasn't Romney
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he could legitimately be that fey character and scum. We do not know the theme split yet
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@Moozer325
I agree that online ones usually suck. Go take the mensa test. You will pass it and although it only shows an IQ of 120 or above that should be enough to atleast verfy that queendom is not inflating your score by too much if it is. I would also encourage you to be an inactive member of mensa, those guys are losers
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I believe if it gave you 134, than that is close to what you actually are
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@Moozer325
I just took it and got 134, but like I said, it's not that good of an IQ test, specifically that is can give over inflated scores. I'm not sure how to post a picture or anything, but I do have a screenshot. This Link might work also.
The link failed and gave me my results, probably due to my cookies. Is 134 not close to what you scored on your official IQ test? It feels accurate to me. Are you just trying to equate this with other online tests which do inflate IQ to sell you stuff, or are you actually looking at studies on queendom which prove it's accuracy?
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@Moozer325
It scored me as high in IQ but lower than I expected. It seems reasonably accurate. I was distracted also with the kid yelling at me so the score is expected. It was 142
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Actually I will wait until the wife is not home and until I have the kid pacified and then I will tell you if it is reasonably accurate
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@Moozer325
I guess, it you can’t go bragging about your IQ if you still haven’t taken a real test
Honestly you should probably hide your IQ if you score above 130, but if you score high on the queendom test than you most likely have a high IQ. I have never taken the queendom test. I will take it in a minute to see if it comes close to what in person tests I have done measured
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@Moozer325
I meant the Mensa in person test. No online IQ test is even that good. They can approximate, but if you want a real score you should do it in person.
I agree, but in a few studies it showed the queendom test to be fairly accurate, so if somebody cannot afford an in person test it could be a good substitute
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@Moozer325
@Owen_T
Mensa is accurate. It does determine if your IQ is 120 or above, but not much more. If you fail the Mensa test your IQ is below 120. If you pass it, than it only shows you have atleast an IQ of 120, like I already stated.
Ideally you don't do an online test but this one is the best online test https://www.queendom.com/tests/access_page/index.htm?idRegTest=3108
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@Moozer325
I had an accurate online one written down but lost my notes. Hold on let me see if I can retrieve it
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@cristo71
There’s a quote I like which I’ll loosely quote from memory, “The trouble with the world is that the foolish are cocksure, but the wise are full of doubt.”
There is a solution to the doubt which I am just now realizing. I am 40 so it pisses me off due to the lost time being so unsure of anything. What I should do, what I should believe, everything.
I suspect you already know the solution though, and that others will not get it, if I state it here. So announcing what it is, would be pointless
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@cristo71
Midwit cope”? As quoted directly from the late Stephen Hawking? You are entitled to that opinion, of course. As for superiority, whatever meaning that may take on depending on the situation, it is FAR more persuasive and admirable to demonstrate it rather than merely claim it.
If demonstrating it worked than Ross Perot would have became president. I think part of the tragedy of life is that the highest IQ people have to watch society collapse while having their hands tied.
Also Stephen Hawking might be smarter than me, so I defer to him.
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We need an escape plan and Antarctica us not it
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I guess take the mensa test first. If you pass, you prove you are at least a midwit so top 2% IQ. If you fail then you can realize that maybe learning a trade or becoming a biologist or a chiropractor is for you.
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@cristo71
“People who boast about their IQs are losers.”
1. That sounds like midwit cope TBH. While true that it's nothing to brag about because you didn't earn it, but nobody really brags about their IQ. They just get frustrated with midwits and just gently inform them of their superiority.
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@Moozer325
Mensa tests I think will confirm if you are 120 IQ or not, so it will determine if you qualify as a midwit, but Wil not help determine if you are smart. At best it merely proves you are not a tard
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@Owen_T
I don't know how either. I think that needs to take priority. Making thag easily accessible because it used to be fun
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The GOP I'd a big tent party so will have more of a mix of ideologies, but this anti unwanted pain nonsense is just that. Everyone is literally anti unwanted pain. It's also not true and just something that got stuck in your head that you are neither willing to explain or depend
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@whiteflame
Your reasoning about Austin is good but what does your gut say?
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Sorry I can't contribute much though putting effort into other threads but it's hard not to buy whiteflames reasoning..
I get this nagging feeling that Austin is scum that I can't shake but the reasoning of whiteflames surrounding it is lock tight.
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@Double_R
When the Democratic governor of Michigan was saved by the FBI from a plot to kidnap her Trump joked about it.
It is a joke. In this particular instance it was a revers sting. Essentially they trucked some retards into doing something they never ever would have done without the FBI manipulating them into it.
You can honestly go fuck yourself. I am a conservative and I would never do these things and the fact that you think we legitimately would is disturbing. No we don't want to kidnap or kill politicians. No we do not want to end democracy.
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@Double_R
Did anyone say we should assassinate Trump, or is that just the conclusion you came to regarding what the logical way to respond to that would be?
Yes. Even directly saying it mtiple times.
We've been warning about the temperature and violent rhetoric for years, but now that it almost came for Trump, now you're concerned about it? Are you fucking kidding me?
You guys also literally called George Bush Hitler for years as well and said he was going to end elections, so where is the personal responsibility.
Even before the election was called Trump already declared that he won the election and that democrats were in the process of stealing it. Complete bullshit, but all part of Trump's plan.
It's his opinion that there were some unfair elements. Which top secret document that he has access to that supports this conclusion do you disagree with? I mean Hillary Clinton had the same opinion.
You also don't have the moral high ground here after the left was rioting for months, burning down buildings, the bike lock guy hunting 80 year Olds with red hats etc.
The media which is the propaganda branch of the democratic party tried to cover up what was going on by claiming the riots were mostly peaceful. There were politicians literally saying that we need to have uprisings and people needed to take to the streets.
will be wild". Please tell me something... When the hell has a peaceful protest ever been described as "wild"?
I just got invited to a party where I was told it was going to be wild. We just drank beers and set off fireworks. When white people say wild we aren't saying it to mean murder politicians.
the middle of the speech surrounded by no supporting context he utters the words "peacefully and patriotically" make their voices heard.
So it seems pretty obvious that statement would not be here if he didn't want that to be the takeaway.. I didn't go there to do that, so it wasn't my take away at all.
And since we're here, let's explore this narrative further. Trump on multiple occasions claimed that he offered Nancy Pelosi 10k troops... Why would he have done this?
I would be more concerned with Nancy Pelosi refused. Maybe so she could form this false narrative. There is also footage showing capital officers letting protestors in and unlocking doors for the.. have you ever wondered why that would happen if not to set up a narrative?
Finished his rally speech by telling the crowd to fight like hell or their not going to have a country anymore.
This is actually true though. However it doesn't seem reasonable to think storming the capital would work so if anything it's a call for high IQ people to start positioning themselves as thought leaders and changing the minds of the public to give conservatives more power, or start working their way towards the top of other hierarchical structures.
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Official Vote count
yay 2 (wylted, tidycraft)
Nay 4 (mharman, moozer, theunderdog, adol)
Please ignore any non official vote counts
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The homicide rate in America is 40 times higher than the European Union. Why do you think that is?
Your chances of being a victim of a violent crime are also significantly lower. Kind if a stupid argument.
"Please ban guns so criminals don't die as much and we can have as much violent crime as europe"
You can't walk around Munich at night without getting mugged, but in America you might get shot if you step to me
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Vote count
yay 2 (wylted, tidycraft)
Nay 3 (mharman, moozer, theunderdog)
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@Sidewalker
You assholes created this climate, stop whining about it, you goy what you wanted, live with it.
Go on Twitter. People are calling for Biden to step down or criticizing his choices on the right. On the left people are openly calling for assassinations. This is literally victim blaming.
We get it, MAGA wants violence, but only against Jews
Already disproved the ADL link
and immigrants
Wrong in fact good border security besides not being violence keeps immigrants safer as well
and blacks
Wrong
and LGBTQ
Wrong
and liberals,
Like I said calls to step down etc, no open calls for assassination like on the left and if you go on TikTok now people are criticizing the shooter for not aiming better
and Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence..
Where do you get this ignorant shit?
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@Moozer325
Willfully spreading misinformation is already banned, right?
Wrong, and that would be a stupid policy if it was banned
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@Moozer325
Stochastic terrorism often involves the use of misinformation and the intent is to provoke violence while maintaining plausible deniability. So you seem to favor the policy but voted against it
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yay 2 (wylted, tidycraft)
Nay 2 (mharman, moozer)
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@Moozer325
Australia and new Zealand had property crimes significantly increase after gun bans. Nice try. It increased crime so we can assume the reduced gun deaths are mostly suicides and people killing intruders who deserve it
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@Sidewalker
Thank you for collecting evidence of the medias stochastic terrorism with those links
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@IwantRooseveltagain
who told a BIG LIE and tried to steal the 2020 election.
You know Hitler coined the term big lie to talk about the tactics of his opponents. And now you have adopted the rhetoric of hitler.
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@Mharman
Whiteflame. But I need to read things. These are not strong feelings
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yay 2 (wylted, tidycraft)
Nay 1 (mharman
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yay 1 (wylted)
Nay 1 (mharman)
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@Mharman
it's still available even if the policy passes but must be phrased in a way that is not hyperbolic. You did not say a simple yay or nay also
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op updated to show policy. I moved all my notes to obsidian so my bad
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@Mharman
Latest update available so far
SO eat it. Now vote so we can ban hate speech against Trump
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@Savant
fuck I deleted the fucking COC. I have to have a copy somewhere. Hold on
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@ebuc
Ive posted around here of studies done on the most violent tendency political groups and it is Republicans and MAGA
Yeah I guess this is why prisons are 80% Democrat
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