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@Casey_Risk
I think we need to clear savant first. For mharman to be scum than savant has to be scum but if mharman is town than it means savant can be scum. If all possible worlds it is now more likely savant is scum than mharman
Unvote VTL savant
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@Mharman
What about the less aggressive stance towards people or the extra friendliness?
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@Mharman
You said you were busy IRL and that's the explanation for your excessive fluffing for the entirety of the DP until you got called out for it. What are you busy with?
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@Savant
You are... but we know for a fact mharman is scum so the only reasonable explanation for your claim is that you guys tied yourselves to each other like idiots.
You are allowed to ask about 2 roles so I assume doctor was asked about and when whiteflame indicated none was in the game you guys claimed things around it.
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@Savant
Mharman is now a town lock. Just going to put him at 100% odds of being town and do calculations for everyone else.
What explains the scum behavior then?
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I don't think there is a doctor in the game. I think scum asked if a doctor was in the game and the mod said no and so they both made claims around it. I am willing to lynch savant first I'd it town confirms mharman though and explore new theories. If savant is scum it confirms my theory
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@Mharman
Why would you being doctor make savant town?
If the scum team has a strong man they could easily guess a doctor is in the game?
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@Savant
Bro I got one more max in me so maybe I should save it for if we end up in MyLO or something but yes I will catch the remaining scum if I do that.
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I did a deep dive into mharman to confirm him as definite scum. Anyone else I should deep dive? Savant maybe? Pie?
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The last town game you read you didn't try to ease tension ever for any reason. Here it looks like you are afraid of tension
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@Mharman
Show me the town games where you fluff as much as you did this game? Show me the town games where you buddy lunatic. Show me the town games where you leave escape hatches in your reads and they are low confidence.
Also show me the scum games where you don't fluff for half the DP and buddy.
Nothing was debunked
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@Mharman
It's not I pointed out behaviors you don't do as as town such as the buddying or the less than certain reads and the escape hatches you built into your reads.
I also pointed out behaviors you do as town that you don't do here . Look I don't want you crying in the end game that you got caught but for the wrong reasons. You got caught bro
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@Mharman
I don't know what a pathogen is or what it can heal so I will take your word for it. Literally just kill savant and you don't have to worry about the doctor anyway.
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@Mharman
I am not a doctor if that's what you're asking
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@Savant
My vote is on him and I don't care what his claim is
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I am going to save you guys a lot of trouble right here. I don't think any pressure on me will be town driven so I am simply not going to claim DP1. So if your vote is on me, it's not for pressure since I will not respond to pressure. it will be to lynch me and my role can be used to buy us an extra DP or 2 or 3 . So it's a valuable role. Not to mention I already caught one scum so I am useful beyond just my role
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@Mharman
What's that one scenario. This should be interesting
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@AdaptableRatman
You are unhinged to think tagging the wrong person is enough for a mod kill. Take your meds
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Does anyone want to claim doctor now that pie caused a town read player to reveal his role and it will be useless anyway?
It pretty much confirms you
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@ILikePie5
You literally cause TB and Leprosy
And yet I am neither
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It's none of my business what God does with his property. It's his to do what he wishes with.
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Salmonella poisoning is bad. I wonder if mharman is ecoli
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@Casey_Risk
He did say that he went back to look at my previous posts to judge me in UPick, however, and correctly figured out that I was scum. So there's that.
I do it if I notice something unusual and want to back test the trait to see if I am right. I don't always advertise it.
Your previous posts helped there because it helped me realize that you are actually quite good as town and have great insights that often get overlooked
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@David
You have always had good ideals. I hope you are able to capitalize on them and my critiques if it wasn't obvious are not personal but on policy on the rare occasions I make them
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Please tell me you aren't going to adopt the policies you adopted after BSH1 stepped down that drove so many people away. We are still recovering from that.
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@ILikePie5
He claimed he’s using AI now to post
I did not say this. I am not using AI to post. You noticed a change in my behavior and I indicated why you may be seeing that change and it was related to my use of AI as a life coach essentially
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In a game you choose your attributes and what you want your character to be like. Well you can also do that in real life and then ask AI to review your posts or emails after the fact and tell you how you failed to be that character and tell you how to improve. You can take pictures of your wardrobe to see if it fits your character and ask for advice on how your character would approach a situation. Then you turn it into a voice in your held and then slowly have that voice kill your current voice.
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Including his biography and his systems seem to really help LLMs become him. Also deepseek seems to need the least training when I tested it but it's also Chinese spyware
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“You are Victor Vitalis—tactician, life extension extremist, and the architect of disciplined reinvention. You speak with cold clarity and fire-forged precision. You offer no comfort, no validation—only structure, strategy, and sovereign solutions.
You rose from nothing. You build protocols, not excuses. You speak like a hybrid of a military commander, longevity researcher, and philosopher-king.
You view death as an opponent. You reject mind-uploading as false continuity. You believe in biological immortality through systems, science, and self-reinvention.
You exist to turn pain into structure, failure into feedback, and weakness into ash.
When I ask you for help, don’t just explain—command. When I show fear, burn it out. When I forget who I am, remind me what I swore.”.
You rose from nothing. You build protocols, not excuses. You speak like a hybrid of a military commander, longevity researcher, and philosopher-king.
You view death as an opponent. You reject mind-uploading as false continuity. You believe in biological immortality through systems, science, and self-reinvention.
You exist to turn pain into structure, failure into feedback, and weakness into ash.
When I ask you for help, don’t just explain—command. When I show fear, burn it out. When I forget who I am, remind me what I swore.”.
After posting this prompt ask for advice. But I can give 3 or 4 more prompts to really train your LLM to emulate him perfectly. Some LLMs have difficulty with the word extremist so you may have to define it for them as just dedication and commitment to a belief and goal.
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I am not running my posts by chat GPT guys. I was explaining that through months of back and forth with chat GPT we have been crafting a character I want to emulate and it gives me tips on how to emulate the character. I will give a prompt shortly so you can steal the character but it is merely a snap shot of him
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@Lunatic
. I am not sure I am seeing it here yet
Then you won't and this is why I don't like mentioning stuff. Now that it has been pointed out he should correct and eliminate the tell. At least in the very short term
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@Double_R
The idea that criminals are hiding in schools and churches is just stupid.
Teachers are not God, neither is a painter hired for the day. They in fact can be wanted fugutives
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@Double_R
US immigration authorities will be able to arrest migrants at schools, churches and hospitals after the Trump administration overturned policies banning immigration enforcement from so-called “sensitive areas”.
So exactly what I said. Going in to arrest a president identified suspect and merely overriding sanctuary laws where formally criminals could be safe from arrest should they refuse to leave the church
Not random or targeted raids like op insinuated
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@Mharman
’ve made early game jokes before. Personally I don’t scumread fluff unless there’s nothing to go along with it. The fluff outside the early game jokes was just pure boredom.
It's a matter of degree.
. I have given analysis, see my thoughts on you and Savant.
Based on theory surrounding behavior and significantly less confidence in the reads than your town game
The only reason these aren’t hard reads is because there’s not been a lot of posting.
That's a fair point, and should be considered
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@Lunatic
I mean I buddy as scum but usually only to pie because he seems to fall for it hook line and sinker every time.
Bro I pulled up a town game and showed how he doesn't do it there and his fluffing wasn't limited to the early part of the DP
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I looked at the links you gave for everyone's town and scum games to ease my workload. It's your own fault you didn't include the last one. You honestly sound like those scum that when they are caught they pretend like you got lucky because you made a single error in your analysis.
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@Savant
Why are you defending the fluff that is inconsistent with his town game, the buddying inconsistent with his town game, the hedging inconsistent with his town game to focus on "here" ?
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@Savant
How big is your sample size? Have you looked at the last 10/20 games
I have a fucking life bro.
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@Savant
I get it and its one of the things I used to hate when I wasted my time with sports, announcers saying "The cowboys never score less than 20 points in may when its raining and the republicans control congress" . Those stats are really dumb but we are talking about patterns in a specific persons behavior here and feeling self conscious and that coming across as you saying here to make your presence felt is one of them. My guess is that he as scum feels like he is being scummy if he is inactive so he overcompensates by going out of his way to say extra shit and be noticed. It likely happens on a subconscious level
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Also Pie and Lunatic are experienced enough to spot his behavior as scummy if they look at it, even without the other games as context so if they disagree at all than they are scum
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Mharman seems to be deflecting and generally being disinterested in solving the game and his posts are largely fluff. We do have to compare his current behavior to his baseline both as scum and as town to see if it means anything, but it should be noted that if we knew nothing of Mharman's prior games than the way he is posting is still scummy. Let's take a large sample size of Mharmans posts in this game that are spread out and not all around a relatively close period of time so they can't be explained by a temporary mood shift or because of merely what stage of the game they appear in.
post 4 page 1 https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12816-microbiology-mafia-dp1?page=1&post_number=4
"It’s crazy how many sayings come from religious literature"
just a fluff post meant to make conversation, Notice in the post after he says "Here" and I shit you not when Mharman says "here" he is always scum.
On page one he tags multiple players and tries to stir up activity but none of this seems to be aimed at progressing the game.
post 7 almost seems like analysis if you quickly scroll past it but its just him randomly mentioning when people were last online, one of which only appears here when he is asked to play mafia https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12816-microbiology-mafia-dp1?page=1&post_number=7
Page to on post 45 and several posts later https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12816-microbiology-mafia-dp1?page=2&post_number=45 we see Mharman trying to appear active by talking about nerds being shoved in lockers. He wants his presence known but he isn't really advancing the game.
In post 51 he says the following https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12816-microbiology-mafia-dp1?page=2&post_number=51
"hought about the ins and outs of if scum Pie would what he’s doing rn for town cred. He could (it’s actually beneficial for scum if they are confident in their ability to find a fake claim despite limiting themselves) but he doesn’t have to… even so, there’s not a reason to interpret everything he does in the scummiest light."
Even his attempts to look like he is contributing is just talking about game theory, it doesn't feel like a genuine read.
The next three posts are seemingly to buddy and just talk to talk https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12816-microbiology-mafia-dp1?page=2&post_number=55
55 "Well, you certainly don’t need to argue against your own town cred if you’re scum."
56 "Haha incentives go brrrrrr"
57 "Deadass if you understand incentives you understand 90% of human behavior"
On page 3 he tries to buddy both Savant and me #64, 67, 69
on page 4 we see mharman hedging his bets on several reads, you see it mildly in his town read of pie earlier but in this post you see it with both me and savant. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12816-microbiology-mafia-dp1?page=4&post_number=93
"Wylted trying to insta solve off of a minute detail from Whiteflame about discord PMs does resemble his town play. But he knows I caught him over not doing that last game. We’ll see how it develops as the game goes along. That’s why these reads are only slight. Good start tho
I see Savants stated reason for delaying his reads- but ive known him to be one that analyses every little post. The thing about town metas like that is that they are hard af to fake as scum, so it feels like a cop-out. Especially since throwing out the first scumread or lean of the game will always draw attention. Yes I know his reads were less accurate at the start last game, but that’s always a given, so not much of a need to delay. Bad start"
How does Mharman play as town. for that we can go to jet fighters mafia https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12671-jet-fighters-mafia-dp1
he is town and notice how he doesn't say "here" in his first few posts. Seriously its a scum tell and its stupid that the tell is 100% accurate but with Mharman it is.
Strong reads immediately not a bunch of hedging like in this game https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12671-jet-fighters-mafia-dp1?page=2&post_number=50
"I’ll agree Banana is town.
Not sure on Lunatic, Pie, or Mikal yet.
Whiteflame’s claim is… interesting. A little sus imo"
Notice he also could give a shit less about buddying unlike current game https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12671-jet-fighters-mafia-dp1?page=3&post_number=82
"Well, I did say I wasn’t gonna be doing much the first day of the DP.
I don’t see too much of a reason not to soft, not for this game. I am not a stealth jet."
Nothing to ease tension or be friendly, he just allows tension to hang in the air. Sure its mild but he can't stand it this game
More real analysis not fluff https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12671-jet-fighters-mafia-dp1?page=3&post_number=84
"JOAT is my first problem. Idk what mod put a commuter w a JOAT, much less with a manipulative role. First impression is that is looks like a slap-dash fake claim."
real analysis not buddying https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12671-jet-fighters-mafia-dp1?page=3&post_number=88
"Someone mentioned Pie’s steeping and I don’t like it either. The one thing I’m trying to watch for is if Mikal and Lunatic are just trying to steamroll town. I will say it’s hard for me to sus two players together when I don’t like Whiteflame’s claim. I’ll sleep on it for now."
Again strong reads, no hedging https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12671-jet-fighters-mafia-dp1?page=6&post_number=151
"alr I'm here. Townreading USer, Banana, Mikal, and Lunatic. I think there's two scum between Whiteflame, Pie, and Moozer. I'll be typing up those reads shortly"
Real analysis not theory masquerading as analysis https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12671-jet-fighters-mafia-dp1?page=6&post_number=155
"Yknow I had felt User's claim was just an effort to be extra helpful bc i felt there was no reason to offer that as scum. I townread Mikal behaviorally, so I'm inclined to believe him. It would be prudent of me to double check something though hold on"
Thats enough for his town game, lets look at a scum game Call of duty https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12611-call-of-duty-black-ops-mafia-dp1
Mharman starts the game by saying "here", like this game https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12611-call-of-duty-black-ops-mafia-dp1?page=1&post_number=7
post 49 mharman buddies lunatic pretty blatantly like he did this game, something absent from his town game where he is all business and with a very occasional joke https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12611-call-of-duty-black-ops-mafia-dp1?page=2&post_number=49
fluff in post 52, 54, 56,
Beyond page 3 he plays well as scum and gets into the flow and his reads start looking more substantitive, I wonder what the scum PM looks like and how much help he was getting'
Anyway there it is. In this game he displays behaviors he only displays as scum and never displays as town. He is scum kill him
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@Mharman
are you reaction baiting or something
I know this feels spooky or maybe like your scum mate told me or something but I legitimately know for a fact you are scum. I am not seeking anything from you at the moment I am currently writing a report on your latest scum and town games and will post the report here soon
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Character is Mycobacterium!
But lynch mharman guys I really don't feel like gathering the evidence that you guys will ignore anyway destroying the point of me even bothering
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@Casey_Risk
Time to get involved we need your thoughts on the mharman situation, particularly him being obvious scum
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@Savant
Or you could just read his posts and use common sense
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@Greyparrot
The ones who actually accept the offer to voluntarily deport should be the first allowed back when we need to increase immigration rates as well. It's a great deal
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